Here is who's behind occupy wall street

Originally posted by AnonymousVan
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

as expected

Slayer, seriously, you need to step down from your high horses.
You can call my post garbage and i dont really mind about it.

Im just disapointed , how and individual like you turned into a total ******, i know being popular is a thing, but most of your posts are now garbage with preformated opinion.

Maybe Anon has found something they are actually good at and can be successful at,
thread derailment that is.

Now if only you would have made a home production YouTube video precluding this thread derailment so as to make it epic with all the symbolisms and catch phrases involving a whole lot of the letter "v's".
Your sheeple fans world wide could roll in the lulz instead of wallowing in the ceaseless trail of fail Anon has blazed across the internet.


Back on topic,
Anonymous has been the advertising agency of this movement and others that Tides Foundation money has been linked to.
Question is, was Anon created for this purpose, bought out, or hijacked?
Tides foundation money is linked back 15 years to Adbusters, not inconcievable that Anonymous was earmarked for marching orders just as far back.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


you ll never let go dont you ?
i was expecting one of your usual usueless bashing, dont worry.
now go shine someone boots

Originally posted by AnonymousVan
Most people on ATS tend to follow what the MSM says.

No, see that right there demonstrates how little you really know about the vast majority here at ATS!

On site like ATS, where conspiracies are debunked all day lng, i still see the same thing.

Only the Crap gets tossed out.

People mocking other people for their opinions

Posting opinions is fine it's expected and encouraged but when the wind shifts direction and people start getting a wiff of the Cow Manure being spread thickly as facts then many here start calling people on it.

Yes , im part of Anonymous, yes i probably know more about the whole scheme in the Anonymous story than the whole posters on ATS

Lots of posters follow blidndly what the MSM serve thems, painting anonymous like a bunch of idiots of communists.

Then if it's not true why get so defensive?

the thing is: you dont know a damn thing about it

The thing is you don't know a damn thing about your audience here at ATS. This is a Conspiracy site for Crisake, Many here will check into the validity of claims even if God Almighty came down and said so!

You keep spewing the same constant BS about anonymous being with Soros, the CIA, the FBI, the Elites etc etc etc

No we are asking questions and checking into it. Why does this bother somebody who supposedly has nothing to hide?

What the hell am I saying....?

Look who I'm supposedly talking to anonymous!!! Never mind, I have forgotten who are the ones hiding behind clown masks.

Most of you would love to see us fail, just to get the opportunity to say : " see , i told they was only a bunch of stupid kids"

Many here [myself included] have posted numerously that we support what the premise of the movement is but many [myself included] are also leery of certain company some choose to keep.

Most people on ATS dont care if we're trying actualy trying to chance something in our society, even if our methods are not-so-legal

Stop lying and generalizing, it will lend what you're trying to convey some credibility.

Sad to see , when actualy someone ,a group of people actualy TRY to change something, people on ATS litteraly enjoying when Anonymous get arrested.

No, we want people to wake up and stop following some online-Pop-Culture Clown down various Dead-End rabbit holes and do something really constructive like take this movement to Washington DC where it belongs.

Nones here know what happen while we're organising protests, or actions, nones know a damn thing about computer security , here on ATS, but all act like they are professionals

Then put away the party hats and little plastic face masks and do something real for a change like adults and stop with all the Youtube garbage! All it does is make a mockery and a farce out of a real serious situation.

so, if you're so good and specialized, why dont you help us changing the system, instead of being armchair debaters ?

This is from somebody who hides behind a fake persona.

PATHETIC!

reply to post by mileysubet

This sight is about denying ignorance, not blind belief of what one person types, try it out.

That's quite a statement coming from someone who intentionally ignores what is, so clearly, laid out in front of them.

Knowledge comes from paying attention to what one is exposed to! You should try it! You just might learn something!

See ya,
Milt

Originally posted by AnonymousVan
Most people on ATS tend to follow what the MSM says.

On site like ATS, where conspiracies are debunked all day lng, i still see the same thing.

People mocking other people for their opinions

Yes , im part of Anonymous, yes i probably know more about the whole scheme in the Anonymous story than the whole posters on ATS

Lots of posters follow blidndly what the MSM serve thems, painting anonymous like a bunch of idiots or communists.

the thing is: you dont know a damn thing about it
You keep spewing the same constant BS about anonymous being with Soros, the CIA, the FBI, the Elites etc etc etc

Most of you would love to see us fail, just to get the opportunity to say : " see , i told they was only a bunch of stupid kids"

Most people on ATS dont care if we're trying actualy trying to chance something in our society, even if our methods are not-so-legal

Sad to see , when actualy someone ,a group of people actualy TRY to change something, people on ATS litteraly enjoy when Anonymous get arrested.

Nones here know what happen while we're organising protests, or actions, nones know a damn thing about computer security , here on ATS, but all act like they are professionals

so, if you're so good and specialized, why dont you help us changing the system, instead of being armchair debaters ?

You say you deny ignorance ?
Do i read the motto correctly ?

What i see here on ATS, is a Star and flag contests, and inflated egos

edit on 4-10-2011 by AnonymousVan because: (no reason given)

Ah I replied before seeing this reply otherwise would have remarked all in one post.

All your response shows is that you are not positioned as deeply in the onion as you believe to be.
Clueless that you yourself are a sheeple to the elite as the people who join anonomous are sheeple to you by getting arrested as necessary human shields in your hacking schemes.

reply to post by stereotype


What is the relevance of this?
Unless every protestor is out there touting his agenda and knowing he registered the domain then does it matter?

What we really need to do is get people out there in the streets to try and turn the tide of this thing away from wall street and towards government corruption. Occupy Wall Street would have been a good place to protest, but to many people the name implied protest Wall Street and so things started in the wrong direction. Occupy Wall Street, sure, but protest the government that is giving in and being bought buy Wall Street.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by stereotype

 

What is the relevance of this?
Unless every protestor is out there touting his agenda and knowing he registered the domain then does it matter?

What we really need to do is get people out there in the streets to try and turn the tide of this thing away from wall street and towards government corruption. Occupy Wall Street would have been a good place to protest, but to many people the name implied protest Wall Street and so things started in the wrong direction. Occupy Wall Street, sure, but protest the government that is giving in and being bought buy Wall Street.

You don't get it. The Elite don't care what you protest about as long as it is at their pre arranged venue. They'll do the defining later, could be after everyone goes home it doesn't matter, all that matters is that they control the message and it furthers their Globalist agenda. Socialism good, the partner. Capitalism bad, the arch nemesis.

Sorry guys , i just realised where iam
Im on ATS, so it dont matter.


I could debate all debate all day long with good arguments it would stay the same.
keep your eyes shut and dont worry

Originally posted by AnonymousVan
Sorry guys , i just realised where iam
Im on ATS, so it dont matter.

So, you come here and expect some to follow along and agree with your delusional stance [No questions asked] but then turn right around and belittle or call ATS members sheep because some ask question and or disagree with you

Now where pray tell is the logic in that?

reply to post by TinfoilTP


Ok.. but prearranged venues went out the window when the people took over and started their own movements via facebook.

Judge won't stop NYPD from busing protesters

The Associated Press

October 04, 2011 02:41 PM EDT

www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/judge-wont-stop-nypd-1194320.html

NEW YORK — A federal judge in New York City has denied a temporary restraining order that would have prevented police from using city buses to transport arrested protesters.

The decision was issued Tuesday.

On Monday, the transit union filed a lawsuit. It wants to stop police from making drivers leave their routes to take protesters to holding facilities.

The Transport Workers Union of Greater New York says police ordered bus drivers to go to the Brooklyn Bridge on Saturday. They'd made more than 700 arrests there during the Occupy Wall Street demonstration.

The lawsuit had asked for a court order to stop the practice.

The city Law Department has said the NYPD's actions were proper.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

Ok.. but prearranged venues went out the window when the people took over and started their own movements via facebook.

Proven again and again over and over again in thread after thread that Occupy Wallstreet is a highly organized and funded undertaking that was months in the making by shadowy elites who funnel their money through the Tides Foundation to diseminate it to the communist activists doing the dirty work.
And all you can say is the average Joe Schmoe on Facebook did it. Hahahaha
Ignorance is bliss.

Originally posted by ChrisF231
As I said before, these are nothing but naive college students being fired up by the usual bunch of Marxist agitators. Their left wing professors probably promised extra points on their next test, or a higher letter grade at the end of the semester if they protested. Next up they will try and get the labor unions to get involved, like what the Soviets did with the factory workers militias in Russia in 1917.

If your a Marxist then fine, but if you want change then try and bring it about via the ballot box - that's the American way. We don't rile up angry mobs and destroy buildings to get our way. We vote at the ballot box.

At least two labor unions have already "pledged their support", but I haven't heard if anything came of it over the weekend. Same for the contingent of off duty/retired Marines (I was never clear on which it was) who were going to "protect" the mob - I never heard if they ever even made it to the sit-in.

The potential of angry mobs to burn and destroy has been tapped by collectivists time and time again in pursuit of their own agenda. This one just hasn't yet been riled up and focused, and it remains to be seen if they will accomplish that.

Originally posted by AnonymousVan

Lots of posters follow blidndly what the MSM serve thems, painting anonymous like a bunch of idiots or communists.

I'm not calling Anonymous "communists" They are an unknown quantity in the equation, because they are, well, "anonymous". Makes 'em an unknown quantity by definition, doesn't it? Anon seems to be functioning more along the lines of an organizational and communication organ for the organizers at the top - and as a cut-out if it all goes south.

I'm saying flat out that Anon are not the string-pullers here in this puppet show. They are another involved faction, sure, but not the top dawgs. I'm not even calling the top dawgs "communists". Those are without a doubt collectivist - that seems to be the thrust of the entire campaign, taken as a whole - but there are a lot more collectivists about than mere communists.

the thing is: you dont know a damn thing about it
You keep spewing the same constant BS about anonymous being with Soros, the CIA, the FBI, the Elites etc etc etc

I'll bet next years wages that Soros is in the mileu somewhere, but won't be pushing himself to the front any time soon. CIA, FBI, and any "Elites" ( ) aren't in it. They have nothing to gain and a lot to lose. They'd be idiots to be pursuing this agenda against their own interests. "Problem-reaction-solution" my ass.

Most of you would love to see us fail, just to get the opportunity to say : " see , i told they was only a bunch of stupid kids"

Most people on ATS dont care if we're trying actualy trying to chance something in our society, even if our methods are not-so-legal

You misunderstand me. I don't want to see YOU fail. This "Activism" is another thing altogether. I've seen the bloody results of such "Glorious People's Revolutions", and am decidedly less than enthused to see it brought to a neighborhood near you. A lot of regular folks DIE, permanently dead, and a lot of regular folks wind up running for their lives simply for being in the middle and trying to get on with their own lives. It's not a video game. There are no spawnings or do-overs when you're dead.

Sad to see , when actualy someone ,a group of people actualy TRY to change something, people on ATS litteraly enjoy when Anonymous get arrested.

I used to be a big supporter of Anonymous, and did my part to further their goals. I have to re-think that stance now, in light of their involvement in this debacle. I'll keep doing what I've always done, but as an isolated individual, no longer in the collective. It's becoming apparent that their goals may not merge well with mine. I'd prefer to see real, actual freedom spread, not a collectivist agenda which stifles and muzzles free expression, subjugating the One in favor of the Collective.

Nones here know what happen while we're organising protests, or actions, nones know a damn thing about computer security , here on ATS, but all act like they are professionals

Computer security is but a small, marginal part of the overall pie.

so, if you're so good and specialized, why dont you help us changing the system, instead of being armchair debaters ?

Change simply for the sake of change is seldom a good thing. To effect real, solid, lasting, GOOD change starts with an idea, progresses through an articulation of achievable goals which are a benefit to the People, rather than just a destruction of "the system" leaving a vacuum, THEN on to action. What has been missing here is the articulation part. I see that they want to "tear down the system", but they aren't very articulate on what they intend to replace it with.

That sends up red flags - all over the place. Fine. You've got people mobilized. Now pull any ten out of that crowd and find out from them what the goals are beyond destroying the system. If they can't articulate the end result beyond destruction of the system, and they aren't on the same page of what they CAN articulate, what you have here is a bunch of "useful idiots". They will be used and abused to further someone ELSE'S goals, then tossed by the wayside.

SOME ONE knows the ultimate goal, and the system they want to replace the current one with. THOSE are the people who need to be looked into before just jumping on the band wagon, because THOSE are the ones who will fill the vacuum with "something" other than just nebulous "change". We need to know what the intended "something" is.

This is why I asked you for a transcript of the Anonymous "Occupy the World" communique. The transmission was so garbled as to be unintelligible, and I'd like to know what was being said - and have a curiosity as to why it was garbled in the first place. What are they trying to hide?

I note that no transcript was forthcoming. Silence speaks very loudly indeed.

This is a compilation and re-edit of a couple of posts I've made over the last few days. They were salted across ATS, and so in the interest of clarity, I'm putting them all together in one place.

[size=18]THE GRAND PLAN

It's clear that the men behind the curtain here, the folks pulling the strings, are the collectivists. Just pick a list of demands at random and read through it with that in mind, and you'll see it. Another indication is the target they've picked. The gripes are more properly addressed by government, but inexplicably they've sent the crowd to Wall Street. One must wonder why that is, and the answer is that they already have a solid toe hold in government, and don't want to upset the apple cart by directing the protestors to DC, where some remedial action could be expected more so than from a bunch of bean counters in New York. Some of the demand lists specifically address their demands to DC, so why in the hell are they in New York to deliver them? They have a goodly number of these folks hoodwinked, having sold the event with whatever they wanted to hear.

Now they have their mob collected, with some still straggling in.

If this goes true to form as it has in other places with the same folks pulling the strings, they will start sending in organizers, like unions, to try to get this thing organized and give it a more pointed focus and direction. That's when you'll get better view of the Dragon's Head, and that's when the fireworks will start.

This is how it's done. More or less random mobs are collected, with their own individual gripes which are all over the map. The only thing in common is that the people in the mobs are always pissed off about something. The collectivist organizers channel that anger, give it a focus, and start throwing these people against the walls of the collectivists' choosing. It's easier to do with angry folk, whose emotions are already set to stun. You just work up the pitch, point 'em in a direction, and turn 'em loose.

All the while the top dawg organizers stand back from the action and watch the show. You'll never find them in the front. That's what underlings are for.

This serves as notice that it's known who the string-pullers are, and if they get our people hurt by misusing and misdirecting their best intentions, when the dust settles we will hunt them down like rabid dogs. There will be no hole deep enough, no mountain high enough, and no stone will be left unturned. Again, there will be hell to pay.

Not on our watch. Be careful of the wars you wish for.

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I don't believe they'll be able to effect any sort of "lasting change", or even approach their stated objectives. I further believe that the real objective is to set fires at several different points, in several different cities, with the real objective being to burn the whole thing down. Then they hope to "reorganize", after their own likeness and in their own image, in the ashes of the aftermath. That is the consolidation phase, the point where the collectivists traditionally "liquidate" the opposition that they had previously employed and directed to achieve their own goals (aka Stalin's "useful idiots"), and there is a phase, either longer or shorter, of fighting "counterrevolutionaries", ensuring that their own faction comes out on top.

I see that as the plan in operation, but how far it gets along that path is dependent upon a lot of variables. So far, in the US those sorts of plans have fizzled out in the inception for the most part, and this one may, too. The thing to watch for is how many points these "fires" flare up at, and when they turn violent. "Agent provocateurs" are not a uniquely GOVERNMENT monopoly. Collectivists have used them to good effect time and time again, all the while BLAMING the first shot on the government. The idea is to PROVOKE a government crackdown, thus galvanizing public opinion against the government for it's "heavy-handedness", and in favor of "the movement", while the collectivist directors of that movement remain in the shadows to avoid attention, making it appear to be a "spontaneous popular uprising".

How far will it get this time? Who knows? We can hope it fizzles out again, and that room will be made for meaningful change in it's place. I just think it's prudent to be aware of the strategies, and watch for the signs. When you see them, you will recognize them if you know what to look for. In that way, we can all plan accordingly to insure our own survival - and hope that we never have to activate those contingency plans.

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I was asked recently if these people were fired upon, would I revolt? Without hesitation, the answer is yes. Not in support of the ideology, but in support of American Citizens and against their getting bum rushed. I may not agree with the ideology, but they are still "my people". I think that the majority of them have good intentions, but are being misled and manipulated by inimical forces.

Being misled doesn't equate to being worthy of being fired upon.

So yeah, if that were to happen, I'd be right out there. HOWEVER - when the dust settled and the real powers behind this came to claim their prize, then, sir, then... there would REALLY be hell to pay!

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I can't support the protests themselves, because it's not overly difficult to see who's pulling the strings. They've not got your best interests at heart any more than the wall Street bankers and traders do.

I'll come a-runnin' if they're fired upon by the government, because stomping down the people I cannot abide, whether I agree with their philosophy or not. It only makes it thqt much worse when the people getting stomped down don't really know why they are there to begin with, and are acting under an unseen hand. They are innocent, and their good intentions are being hijacked and misused, such that they are to be human shields to bear the brunt of any repercussions. Until and unless that happens, they'll have to throw their protest party without me or my support.

Should that occur, then when the dust settles and the smoke clears, the REAL hell to pay will start for those string-pullers I mentioned above.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by stereotype

 

What is the relevance of this?
Unless every protestor is out there touting his agenda and knowing he registered the domain then does it matter?

YES, it matters. You don't lead an entire herd of cattle by tying a rope around each one and leading it individually. You point it in a direction, kick it in the ass, and steer the resultant movement.

What we really need to do is get people out there in the streets to try and turn the tide of this thing away from wall street and towards government corruption.

Agreed. One has to wonder why it has been aimed the way it has. I offered one explanation for that in my post above about the "grand Plan".

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

Ok.. but prearranged venues went out the window when the people took over and started their own movements via facebook.

Giant conflagrations start with tiny fires. the more points a fire is set at, the quicker they merge into the hoped for country-burning conflagration.

Ask yourself this: what is the plan to replace the destroyed system when the ashes are cooling? Where IS that plan, any how?

Someone has it - there must be a reason it's not being released for review...

The youth of America and the 99%'rs are behind this movement and do not dare cut them down nor demonize them.

They fight for America! Either get behind the movement or get out of it's way!

reply to post by jjjtir


And so yet another collective joins the hive, offering their support in the best way they can at this point.

Interesting.

They seem to be showing their hand a bit early. that means they think they have more support than they may actually have.

This could get very, VERY, interesting if any sort of "silent majority" finds it's voice...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
The youth of America and the 99%'rs are behind this movement and do not dare cut them down nor demonize them.

They fight for America! Either get behind the movement or get out of it's way!

edit on 4-10-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

Son, I was giving orders when you were still crapping little green splotches, and I'll be damned if I'll take any ultimatums, especially when I can SEE the source of the protests.

I can't help it if you've been hoodwinked. I'll take my stand where I damn well please to, and if you decide to steamroll me for speaking my mind, then I reckon it'll make it pretty obvious what the actual agenda is, and that it has nothing to do with any sort of "freedom".

They DO NOT "fight for America", although I am certain that a large proportion of them think they do. They do mean well, but are being purposely misguided and misdirected. They fight for the Hive Masters, the herd drovers. I think if any real "99%" (as opposed to a catch phrase of "99%") speak their mind, we'll see the actual facts of the matter, and how this breaks down.