The Lost Tribe Of Israel, Gad's Tribe perhaps the native americans?

Originally posted by supermanning
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

I have always pondered this idea because if we remember correctly, the israelites wandered in the forests for 40 years until they had reached the promised land. Now if one was to walk from egypt to say Illinois or Iowa, how long would that take? While in the promised land protected by the one and only true supreme being, they remained untouched by outside influences and lived a life that was not only beneficial to themselves but also to the earth. They had a life that didn't require consuming in the sense that virtually nothing was wasted. Then white man, came along and took it away from them. I also believe that some words in indian cultures sound exactly like the supposed vocalization of the tetragrammaton. "In English it appeared in William Tyndale's translation of the Pentateuch ("The Five Books of Moses"),[29] published in 1530 in Germany, where Tyndale had studied since 1524, possibly in one or more of the universities at Wittenberg, Worms and Marburg, where Hebrew was taught.[30] The spelling used by Tyndale was "Iehouah"; at that time, I was not distinguished from J, and U was not distinguished from V.[31] The original 1611 printing of the Authorized King James Version used "Iehovah". Tyndale wrote about the divine name: "IEHOUAH [Jehovah], is God's name; neither is any creature so called; and it is as much to say as, One that is of himself, and dependeth of nothing. Moreover, as oft as thou seest LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing), it is in Hebrew Iehouah, Thou that art; or, He that is."[32]" -tetragrammaton in wikipedia.

Now if one is to say Iehouah, what does that sound like? does it not sound awfully close to Iowa? I find this theory incredibly interesting. Also, American native american's physically look similar to carvings and statues of ancient egyptians.

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They wandered in the "wilderness" - "desert", not "forests". And only during the 40 years of wondering did God provide all for them (i.e. food) in the form of mana from heaven.

Once in the promised land, they didn't live some sublime life, they actually warred with all of the inhabitants in the promised land killing off entire civilizations - the Book of Kings and David chronicle this pretty extensively.

So it's a neat idea, but the basis you're using doesn't really hold up.

Originally posted by Ironclad
reply to post by Atzil321

 

Isn't this the way with all religions...

The world is only ever as old as the civilization that starts the religion...lol

Um, actually no, not at all. A great deal of religions talk about a time in the world way before the actual civilization itself existed or had any history of existing.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
I found a link that describes how natives americans had egyptian carvings that were found in the deserts of new Mexico and Arizona, and Colorado. Could it be that the Lost tribe of Gad found their way into american via the Beringian land bridge? Evidence suggests that it was possible it could have happened as the native americans claim that they belonged to the "first nation's people". How do the southwestern and northwestern native tribes end up with egyptian carvings when there were no established trade routes in those times between the 2 continents?

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Well, hum... it's a bit far-fetched. The Native were formerly Asian people from northern China/Mongolia/Korea region and they arrived in America at least 3000 years ago. Yep, Asians were there LONG before Europeans.

But assuming that the tribes of Israel would have divided like 4000 years ago, that's possible. Some Native authors made very interesting correlations between ancient Mesopotamian and American Native beliefs and cultural elements.

reply to post by ARealandTrueAmerican

There is actually some debate that it wasnt even the Red Sea. It was a mistranslation of REED.

The term in Hebrew is yam suph. Yam means "sea," and suph is generally thought to mean "reeds," "rushes" or possibly "seaweed." That is why some versions of the Bible call it "the Sea of Reeds" or "Reed Sea" instead of the Red Sea.

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reply to post by benrl


Actually, it does not claim that.
The lost tribes happened way before that event.
It claims the Native Americans are descendents of Lehi of Jerusalem.
There is also a few more groups that are mentioned, but that were extinct.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Byrd

 

Wow way to torpedo my discussion. No point trying to continue your esteemed knowitallness, i bow to your expertise!

Hah! (Snort.)

Pick on Byrd at your own risk. Though you've been here since 2009, looks like you can't tell sheet from shinola.

Byrd was not only perfectly legitimate in her answers, she displayed inordinate and (IMO) unwarrented gentleness while answering.

You could do much worse, bud.

Harte

Originally posted by FloatingGhost
reply to post by kimish

 

Jeez, even if there was more than one body of water called red sea, the one Moses supposedly crossed is the one we know today. It is not, or SHOULD NOT, be up to debate. The red sea referred to in the bible is the red sea of today...no factual evidence should have to be provided here...Wikipedia...google...encyclopedia brittanica...get a clue n move on. Better yet get an education. It was a long time ago but not really THAT long ago. There are Sumerian texts older than the Moses story...it is within written history.

Yeah, pretty idiotic to even entertain the idea.

It's surprising it fits in their heads.

Let's see, instead of the "promised land" being in the Middle East, it's now in N. America.

So, who was it that the Babylonians conquered? Americans?

Why did Jesus call himself a Jew when he obviously didn't live in N. America?

Pontius Pilate was administrator over some imposter country posing as Israel?

All references to the Jews in the Middle East, even the Roman ones, are bogus, planted there by "TPTB?"

Even more idiotic things follow from this idiocy.

Harte

Well, It's time to say something here. Guys, believe me, after being a "Good Little Mormon" for the last 34 years , I can tell you, this is one well concocted organization that has millions fooled by one of the biggest con-artists that ever lived and put this together. Even the authorities of this church are beginning to back-peddle and say that "well, it's possible that first inhabitants of this continent could have arrived across the Bering land bridge". My "coma" ended about three years ago and it has never felt so good to finally "wake-up". My apologies if I have offended any LDS out there..........NOT !!

www.turkishnews.com...

They went to Turkey man, and modern day Iraq! You really think they were the American Indian?

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I don't suppose you can post any proof on this? Don't post the "Adam" Y chromosome and Eve mitochondrial DNA "evidence" either as they are at least 60 000 years separate

I cannot change people's minds nor can I change what they spiritually think, it’s like my view is wrong both views are wrong and so is my cultures view wrong so you are wrong because it’s all fake anyway. So okay leave it at that but at least it leaves a possible open door if God shows you one day.

I would like to add that great land shifts and compression found on the Dinosaurs fossils found today like the earth swept them all under is anything to go by, there is evidence that the earth continents split apart people can see that for themselves anyway by looking at a global map.

As for the American Natives I say that if they were Jews they forgot their faith and like the Jews across the world who were driven out and persecuted because of their lack of faith or worshiped idols has a spiritual connection to God's judgements on them but if they have really forgotten their heritage it means their line will probably die out at some point unless they find it again soon.

If God of the Bible said to man increase on the earth then man has done that, he has increased along with his message spreading Christ to the America's and Australia, where maybe a Billion souls will be added and saved through faith in Christ, I don't think God would say no to that spiritual plan for mankind and who were to be born pre-determined by Christ himself before time began.

Also I like to add that the Israelites fought savage people and even giant races, hybrid angelic human races who wanted to destroy mans dna and the saviour of Christ who was to come who was born from a Jewish women related to Adam.

As for Eden I wonder how the clocks run, was it running on eternity timeline could they accelerate growth and change time? Maybe they had other trees which they could touch.

Sometimes think what would God do and think and weigh the consequences and the pros and cons of the situation that way it might make sense.

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Sometimes think what would God do .....

I would have worked on my ability to communicate - this omnipotent being is completely inept at communicating their intent or purpose - a problem it would have known before it began, instead of simple communications you have tens of thousands (plus) of different views of its view point. The problem with the god theory is that its endless errors point to a less than omnipotent intelligence - mankind

But we seem to be straying into philosophy and religion instead of the purpose of the forum

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by The time lord

 

Sometimes think what would God do .....

I would have worked on my ability to communicate - this omnipotent being is completely inept at communicating their intent or purpose - a problem it would have known before it began, instead of simple communications you have tens of thousands (plus) of different views of its view point. The problem with the god theory is that its endless errors point to a less than omnipotent intelligence - mankind

But we seem to be straying into philosophy and religion instead of the purpose of the forum

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Biblically speaking the Bible says we are Gods now that we have knowledge of good and evil and that consequence will either kill us all or help us remain alive for many eons, but the message by God I feel is that man cannot manage himself, we have also been victims of outside forces as well, and God intervenes when that happens but we are his lower image and by our freedoms and freedom to accept his message makes God's creation even more glorifying and meaningful.

Being a universe all alone gets a bit boring so you have kids, some are angelic and they rule the dimentions of space time just to start off with.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Mormons claim that a lost tribe in here in the new world, and at some point some of their followers took to creating those "Israelite" signs in the American southwest.

The Mormon Church and the Lost Tribes of Israel

For many years, the Mormon Church has claimed that Native Americans were the descendants of one of the lost tribes of Israel that migrated to the Americas around 600 B.C. In addition, according to Mormon doctrine, this tribe divided into two groups, the Nephites, who were whites, and the Lamanites, who became black as a punishment for worshiping idols.

However, DNA tests have contradicted the teachings of the Mormon Church. In an article written by William Lobdell and published in the Los Angeles Times on February 16, 2006, Lobdell said that the Mormon Church has disregarded DNA evidence as irrelevant.

Bedrock of a Faith Is Jolted

DNA tests contradict Mormon scripture. The church says the studies are being twisted to attack its beliefs.

Is The Mormon Church stuck with an embarrassing book it cannot historically support?

Mormons grow up with the belief that Native Americans are somehow related to a lost tribe from Israel. That tribe, they are told, came across the ocean about 600 B.C. to America, led by an otherwise unknown Jewish prophet named "Lehi."

To a Mormon this story is history, but to historians it is simply a fiction, concocted by Joseph Smith within his "Book of Mormon." The complete lack of any objective archaeological or historical proof to support such a story is explained away by Mormon apologists to the faithful. Mormons appear to believe that faith, makes fiction fact. But archaeologists, linguists and genetic experts, outside the subculture of Mormonism, have known for some time that Native Americans actually originated from Asia and not Israel.

Science and faith have increasingly collided as the Mormon religion continues on from its early beginnings. Confronted by historical evidence that repeatedly disproves their holy book, Mormons have long hoped for some artifact or research that would support their faith. Some felt that day might have indeed come through research at The Mormon Church-owned Brigham Young University in Provo, where genetic tests were being done during 2000.

And the Mormon faith has been doing a lot of genetic testing - with increasing desperation. As to those Israelite/Hebrew carvings in the Americas (allegedly from this "lost tribe") - that was the handiwork of early Mormons, trying to hoodwink other Mormons into believing this book was based on history and not the writings of Joseph Smith.

Thank you for the great summary of why the LDS church is in trouble through DNA. Simon Southerton's "Losing A Lost Tribe" is another good reference to how DNA just doesn't add up to what is in the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith the church's founder said that the Lamanites would cover the North and South American continents.

The testing american indian descendants from hebrew roots comes up with nothing. But then when you add King James bible verses in the book of mormon, no horses (which is in the Book of Mormon) no steel, no wheat, no cities found (which is in the book of mormon). The lists mounts bigtime. There is a very interesting tidbit of information that scholars (not in the church) disagree on though. That is Solomon Spalding. Sandra Tanner (leading anti-mormon) and other's believe that he didn't have much to do with the book of mormon. When so many witnesses remember reading names from his book (Manuscript Found) It is a book that has never been found.

A movie on Solomon Spalding could be a great movie indeed. When you really study his story. I recommend it highly. Just google Solomon Spalding, highly controversial amongst LDS and non LDS scholars. I really think Sidney Rigdon, Joseph Smith burned his book to destroy evidence that he plagiarized it. There has been a book found of his called. Manuscript Story though there is tell-tale influence even in that. View of the Hebrews by Ethan Smith which was the preacher of Oliver Cowdery another co-founding member with Joseph Smith. Sidney Rigdon the 3rd co-founder was said to have taken Solomon Spaldings book from a publishing house in Pittsburgh. And quite possibly destroyed it never to be seen again.

There is a book called "Who Really Wrote The Book of Mormon". I think is quite good but some disagree on that. There is an analysis of the book of mormon done with the help of Stanford University I think that has Solomon Spaldings influence all over it. Another great person from the church is Grant Palmer check out his book "Insider's View of the BOM.

the lost tribes are white people. google where did the 12 apostles go. the bible says that David had red hair and beautiful eyes. its just common sense that since all israelites descended from Jacob they will look similar...

thats why jews and white people look alike

A site that may have been formed by the actions of people who may have been the ancestors of those that wandered across the Beringia land bridge.

The Yana Rhinoceros Horn Site (Yana RHS) is located on the Yana river in the Arctic Circle of northeastern Siberia (70 degrees north). At ca. 28,000 years old, Yana RHS is the oldest known human occupation within the Arctic Circle to date; the next oldest widely accepted site discovered so far is Berelekh, at 13,000-14,000 years ago.

Yana Rhinoceros site in northern Siberia

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
www.turkishnews.com...

They went to Turkey man, and modern day Iraq! You really think they were the American Indian?

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I didnt say they were 100%, it's a theory. One theory that some people are blatantly disrespectful about reading about. Disrespectful and rude. If you don't want to read about my theory, find some other post to troll in. This was meant to be a discussion not a flame session at the expense of lonewolf.

Why does everyone want to argue over who is the descendants of the isrealite war mongers???

The bible says they went around slaughtering people and taking land in the name of god..

Im glad i am not a descendant of these war mongers.

reply to post by gncnew


What is 'mana'.

There is a word called 'Amrit' used in Veda. Some pundits started interpreting it as a concoction that gives immortality. Well that interpretation is false. The physical body can never be immortal, whatever you eat or drink.

'Mana' as like falling dew is silliness.

It is not easy to interpret ancient stories, specially when some half-literate priest has added his interpretation in between.

There are always means of survival in the desert. People do live in the desert. There are oasis, and date trees. People have lived on dates for a long time when nothing else has been available. It wont give you much strength, but it will keep you alive.

If a person has no experience of desert at all, goes into a desert and finds something to eat - he will be overjoyed. And he may call that 'Amrit' or 'mana', whatever his language tells him for a miraculous food.

There is nothing great (or from God) about it.

God has given means of survival to all humans.

There is, of course, one point you might want to consider, here:

Originally posted by vedatruth
The Pheroah was considered a living god by the Egyptians, somebody far superior to them, and thus having power over them without question.


But did Pheroah have any real power?

There were many temples in Egypt and many thousands of priests. There was an elaborate hierarchy to this priestdom, with a high priest sitting in the court of the King.

That "high priest" (high priest of every temple) is the Pharaoh himself. (see link. Lots of other references available) took considerable power, and ruled Upper Egypt for a few hundred years during a time when the kingdom was in chaos.

His sisters, daughters, and wives also held high positions in the religion -- designated as "God's Wife"/"God's Wives", high priestess, etc.

high priest of Amun -- one of the more successful gruops of priests.