The Lost Tribe Of Israel, Gad's Tribe perhaps the native americans?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
I found a link that describes how natives americans had egyptian carvings that were found in the deserts of new Mexico and Arizona, and Colorado. Could it be that the Lost tribe of Gad found their way into american via the Beringian land bridge? Evidence suggests that it was possible it could have happened as the native americans claim that they belonged to the "first nation's people". How do the southwestern and northwestern native tribes end up with egyptian carvings when there were no established trade routes in those times between the 2 continents?

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edit on 2-10-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

But do people realise God spread man over the earth because of the tower of Babel, this is why we have pyramids and sacrificial cultures all over earth, they are not blessed people they are part of the mystery religions groups not part of the Gods plan?

The two things are seperate I believe, the lost tribes will know who they are if God calls them or brings them together or the world forces them out as a people. Chances are very low this being the case to be found in pre-America.

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Do not believe every story you hear. Ancient people were as fond of making up stories as the modern ones.

There is no tower of Babel. Priests made up stories when a King asked a question which they could not answer. If King was 'happy' with an answer, that story spread like wildfire.

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Egyptian Technique - smoke and mirrors

It is a story about the Pheroah and the priests.

The Pheroah was considered a living god by the Egyptians, somebody far superior to them, and thus having power over them without question.


But did Pheroah have any real power?

There were many temples in Egypt and many thousands of priests. There was an elaborate hierarchy to this priestdom, with a high priest sitting in the court of the King.

The Pheroah had this huge sense of his power, but was often jealous and intimidated by the high priest. The high priest was the authority on law, social issues, religion and science, and Pheroah was supposed to consult him on every matter. The Pheroah was raised and lived in a tightly controlled environment, so he knew little of the real world. He was also kept mostly ignorant and illiterate by a system where the Pheroah lived in unimaginable comfort since birth, but was not imparted much real education.

So sometimes Pheroah called in other priests for advice in place of the high priest.

This is where the technique of smoke and mirrors comes in.

Each priest offered an advice that varied and contrasted from the other priest. This was done intentionally and subtly so that Pheroah could not discern the motive.

At the end, Pheroah got so confused that he called the head priest and acted directly on his advice.

The Red Sea has been the Red Sea for thousands of years...even the Egptians referred to it as such prior to any Biblical accounts of the Hebrews coming to Egypt, later becoming slaves, and then exiling Egypt.

The Sea of Reeds refers to a small area of the Red Sea at it's north end...shallow and full of marsh and REEDS that would have allowed a group of people to cross but would have bogged down chariots...adding plausibility to the Biblical account.

Israel...Palastine...Philistine...Cannaan...all are easily located geographically by ancient texts...both Egyptian, Hebrew, Assyrian, Persian, Babylonian, Summerian...and so on.

Looking at the Bible purely as a social, cultural, and historical commentarywe see the crops raised...grains, goats, sheep, vineyards. As the Israelites wandered the desert...they complained of eating only manna and then quail...they wished they could be back in Egypt eating melons and dates and various fruits native of the rich lands of the Nile Delta..the Land of Goshen and the Mediterannean.

These things indicate that there were no diets or crops or cultures based on the enviroments of the wilds of the Russian steppes or northern China or the brutal rolling wilderness of what would become Alaska.

Further, the battles and migrations as recorded under Joshua have actual archeological sites that can be verified with artifacts....even oral tradition underscored with geographical landmarks that still stand mark actual spots in the Egyptian-Israeli-lebanon-Syrian areas of the Biblical migration and establishment of Israel and Jerusalem.

Further, if we take into the accounts of Lehi and Moroni and the Book of Mormon...the migration from Israel was by sea. I have read the Book of mormon and it tells how the Israelites were led to buld a compass...board ships...leave Palestine and sail to the New World...here they established a massive and flowering civilization of millions...later to be destroyed by civil war and battles with tens of thousands of warriors.... and yes, I read it.

Needless to say, if that were truly the case, there would be land marks, ruins, massive amounts of writings, pottery, etc that all show a hebrew/ israeli origin and influence...

alas, there is very little to none...nada...not one synagogue or temple...not one decoration or jewish village...nothing.

Again, back to my previous post earlier...I contend it possible that a small group of Hebrews may have sailed or migrated to the Americas and then were assimilted into the tribes already here...but they played little significance and bred out of existance.

What I have presented here is readily available in historical, science, and religious books...not YouTube or Wikipedia. And these sources have been around..some for a thousand years. Please read a book...cross reference it...do some research with a half dozen sources.... check facts and known science and history....

Just because something is a "fact" doesn't always mean it's a conspiracy or subterfuge to fool the masses by TPTB.

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Isn't this the way with all religions...

The world is only ever as old as the civilization that starts the religion...lol

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Judaism doesn't teach that....humans interpret it that way. There is nothing in the bible that gives a solid timeline from creation of the earth to creation on the earth...to Eden, to Adam and Eve leaving Eden. If the bible is real (I believe in Jesus and the bible, but I realize and respect that not everyone does) and to be believed, there is no solid timeline other than the supposed 6 days of creation..and even that is not translated from original manuscript to english very well. For example...original manuscript does not contain the words "in, the, and," so, when reading Genesis, and the creation story (which is about creation ON the Earth, not of the Earth) it would read at the ending...."morning, evening, day"

Lost peoples and tribes all tell of the great flood story of Noah's time apparently lots of people across history knew of it even if they never read a Bible before, but it all stems from this story of Noah which has been preserved and linked to the modern age of man's journey with God and the threats today with extinction of animals and preserving their DNA is just a reflection of the times before. Ice caps melting and maybe even human dna corruption and UFO experiments on man is just the second wave in which the Bible states that the next coming of Christ will be like the times of Noah.

Greek:
Zeus sent a flood to destroy the men of the Bronze Age. Prometheus advised his son Deucalion to build a chest. All other men perished except for a few who escaped to high mountains. The mountains in Thessaly were parted, and all the world beyond the Isthmus and Peloponnese was overwhelmed.

Scandinavian:
Oden, Vili, and Ve fought and slew the great ice giant Ymir, and icy water from his wounds drowned most of the Rime Giants. The giant Bergelmir escaped, with his wife and children, on a boat made from a hollowed tree trunk. From them rose the race of frost ogres. Ymir's body became the world we live on. His blood became the oceans.
(Thor Movie hints here)

Roman:
Jupiter, angered at the evil ways of humanity, resolved to destroy it. He was about to set the earth to burning, but considered that that might set heaven itself afire, so he decided to flood the earth instead. With Neptune's help, he caused storm and earthquake to flood everything but the summit of Parnassus, where Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha came by boat and found refuge.

Babylonian:
Three times (every 1200 years), the gods were distressed by the disturbance from human overpopulation. The gods dealt with the problem first by plague, then by famine. Both times, the god Enki advised men to bribe the god causing the problem. The third time, Enlil advised the gods to destroy all humans with a flood, but Enki had Atrahasis build an ark and so escape. Also on the boat were cattle, wild animals and birds, and Atrahasis' family. When the storm came, Atrahasis sealed the door with bitumen and cut the boat's rope.

Islamic:
Allah sent Noah to warn the people to serve none but Allah, but most of them would not listen. They challenged Noah to make good his threats and mocked him when, under Allah's inspiration, he built a ship. Allah told Noah not to speak to Him on behalf of wrongdoers; they would be drowned. In time, water gushed from underground and fell from the sky. Noah loaded onto his ship pairs of all kinds, his household, and those few who believed. One of Noah's sons didn't believe and said he would seek safety in the mountains. He was among the drowned. The ship sailed amid great waves.

Hindu:
Manu, the first human, found a small fish in his washwater. The fish begged protection from the larger fishes, in return for which it would save Manu. Manu kept the fish safe, transferring it to larger and larger reservoirs as it grew, eventually taking it to the ocean. The fish warned Manu of a coming deluge and told him to build a ship. When the flood rose, the fish came, and Manu tied the craft to its horn. The fish led him to a northern mountain and told Manu to tie the ship's rope to a tree to prevent it from drifting. Manu, alone of all creatures, survived. He made offerings of clarified butter, sour milk, whey, and curds.

Sumerian:
The gods had decided to destroy mankind. The god Enlil warned the priest-king Ziusudra ("Long of Life") of the coming flood by speaking to a wall while Ziusudra listened at the side. He was instructed to build a great ship and carry beasts and birds upon it. Violent winds came, and a flood of rain covered the earth for seven days and nights. Then Ziusudra opened a window in the large boat, allowing sunlight to enter, and he prostrated himself before the sun-god Utu. After landing, he sacrificed a sheep and an ox and bowed before Anu and Enlil.

Assyrian:
The gods, led by Enlil, agreed to cleanse the earth of an overpopulated humanity, but Utnapishtim was warned by the god Ea in a dream. He and some craftsmen built a large boat (one acre in area, seven decks) in a week. He then loaded it with his family, the craftsmen, and "the seed of all living creatures." The waters of the abyss rose up, and it stormed for six days. .

Celtic:
Heaven and Earth were great giants, and Heaven lay upon the Earth so that their children were crowded between them, and the children and their mother were unhappy in the darkness. His spilling blood caused a great flood which killed all humans except a single pair, who were saved in a ship made by a beneficent Titan.

Originally posted by UnitedSpiritualAlliance
certain Ojibway tribes share the same genotypes with some Israelite's

Could you provide some back-up material on that, please? You might find it interesting to note that the Ojibwa figure they've been here since before the last Ice Age.

"None of this changes the fact that the evidence being cited linking a "lost tribe of Israel" to Native Americans was fabricated by followers of Joseph Smith in the mid 1800's. The same thing occurred in South America, with further falsified rock carvings were made by Smith followers so they could show them to other and say "see, our teachings are right".

Do you still believe that Columbus discovered the Americas in 1492?
Do you really believe that all archaeological/linguistic/cultural evidence of Semite influences in the Americas was made up by the Mormons?
Do you still believe that pyramids popping up in South America have no relationship to the Egyptions?
Do you really believe that several Native American legends, customs and linguistics dobt show a Semetic influence?
The only reason that this information is kept silent and not publicised is that it would further prove the sudden appearance of Semetic/Hebrew lines dispersed throughout the world. Prove the Bible. Prove that what all of us learn in school is lies. It would establish that some force dispersed one specific set of people all over the globe. Its done for the same reason "under God" is being removed from our country, for the same reason that extraterrestrials are given to our children as "our creators", for the same reason that "Ancient Aliens" are promoted extensively, for the same reason that evolution was given to us as fact, for the same reason that all media is saturated with the occult - TO REMOVE ANY BELIEF IN THE GOD Of ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB. Why? A great spiritual battle has started and if you cannot identify WHAT has/ is actively destroying Faith in one particular God, then I am truly bereaved.

I don't believe there is that big of a mystery as to what happened to the 10 tribes following their exile by Assyria. They didn't travel too far, if one is interested, look into the Pathans of Afghanistan


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Why does it always have to be the "land bridge"? Those people knew how to build boats and were not afraid of the sea. But, yes, I've always believed that Israel was a lot more than just Jews. You are beginning to get into Book of Mormon stuff with this but that's OK.

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
"None of this changes the fact that the evidence being cited linking a "lost tribe of Israel" to Native Americans was fabricated by followers of Joseph Smith in the mid 1800's. The same thing occurred in South America, with further falsified rock carvings were made by Smith followers so they could show them to other and say "see, our teachings are right".

Do you still believe that Columbus discovered the Americas in 1492?
Do you really believe that all archaeological/linguistic/cultural evidence of Semite influences in the Americas was made up by the Mormons?
Do you still believe that pyramids popping up in South America have no relationship to the Egyptions?
Do you really believe that several Native American legends, customs and linguistics dobt show a Semetic influence?
The only reason that this information is kept silent and not publicised is that it would further prove the sudden appearance of Semetic/Hebrew lines dispersed throughout the world. Prove the Bible. Prove that what all of us learn in school is lies. It would establish that some force dispersed one specific set of people all over the globe. Its done for the same reason "under God" is being removed from our country, for the same reason that extraterrestrials are given to our children as "our creators", for the same reason that "Ancient Aliens" are promoted extensively, for the same reason that evolution was given to us as fact, for the same reason that all media is saturated with the occult - TO REMOVE ANY BELIEF IN THE GOD Of ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB. Why? A great spiritual battle has started and if you cannot identify WHAT has/ is actively destroying Faith in one particular God, then I am truly bereaved.

Oh Lordie another fundy rant...

Well, I don't see the any native American tribes setting up shop & taking over the banking & credit along with the mainstream media outlets. Nor do I see any native American tribe playing the "poor Indian card". And whining about all the bad people around them.

I do however see the native American tribes were treated with the same brutal way as the Palestinians. Their land and homes taken. Their way of life erradicated. And forced to live in certain confines ,as just as bad as being in prison.

If they are the decendants of Jews. They sure as hell don't act like it. Nor have you ever heard one of the Native American tribes ever claim to be lost Israel tribe? Allways white men bring this to light. If it was found out that native tribes are lost tribe of Israel. You can bet your ass, that Israel would be here building some damn settlements for their pilgrims.

Originally posted by trailertrash
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Why does it always have to be the "land bridge"? Those people knew how to build boats and were not afraid of the sea. But, yes, I've always believed that Israel was a lot more than just Jews. You are beginning to get into Book of Mormon stuff with this but that's OK.

Youre right they could have built ships, they had the knowledge for it as well. I was just saying that i find it interesting that the native americans could have been in posession of egyptian artifacts when there is clearly nothing linking to them a possiblity of an egyptian trade route with this part of the world. The only other way they could have had egyptian artifacts in their possessions could be if they took these artifacts with them on the exodus as the Israelites were claimed to have taken egyptian objects and wealth with them when they went on the run.

The Hopi tribes have pictorial glyphs which look hieroglyphic in nature, possibly even a bit hebrew as they have a similar sign of a man with his arms outstretched to the heavens in worship or praise, just as the ancient hebrew pictoglyph denoting YHWH.

Originally posted by The time lord

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
I found a link that describes how natives americans had egyptian carvings that were found in the deserts of new Mexico and Arizona, and Colorado. Could it be that the Lost tribe of Gad found their way into american via the Beringian land bridge? Evidence suggests that it was possible it could have happened as the native americans claim that they belonged to the "first nation's people". How do the southwestern and northwestern native tribes end up with egyptian carvings when there were no established trade routes in those times between the 2 continents?

www.greatdreams.com...

edit on 2-10-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

But do people realise God spread man over the earth because of the tower of Babel, this is why we have pyramids and sacrificial cultures all over earth, they are not blessed people they are part of the mystery religions groups not part of the Gods plan?

The two things are seperate I believe, the lost tribes will know who they are if God calls them or brings them together or the world forces them out as a people. Chances are very low this being the case to be found in pre-America.

The hebrew peoples have faced persecution, enslavement, exile and near extinction on many occasions since their journey with God began. I find it interesting that the Native American peoples have suffered similarly under the hands of white men. Like the Hebrew they had their lands stolen from them after they were exiled into reservations, they've had plagues cast upon them like scarlet fever, small pox, yellow fever, cholera etc. The native americans plight is so similar to that of the jews that it is uncanny. Many tribes believe in a "Great Spirit" that rules over the lesser spirits, those tribes that do not ascribe to ancestral worship that is.

Originally posted by ARealandTrueAmerican
So, to get back on topic, No, the 'native Americans' have no link to the Israelites. They pre-date Israel by tens of thousands of years in some cases, and have no genetic connection.

Now, have fun saying up is down and red is blue. Im sure some will believe you.

Up and down are merely your perception of the world you stand on. In truth there is no up and down, as we are all in space, and there is no direction in space. There is no up, or down, left or right, forward or backward, nor is there east, west, north or south. All objects are in space, we are on a giant rock that sits in space therefore we too are in space. If you tunneled through the earth (and didn't die from the heat and magma, like if the earth were hollow as in the hollow earth theory) and came to the center of the earth there would be no up, or down, left or right, forward or backward because direction would cease to exist, once you hit the center the earths gravity would hold you in place because the earth's center mass is in its core. All directions would be up, or down, or left and right.

Originally posted by benrl
The book of mormon claims that Native AMericans are a lost tribe of Israel, DNA testing however has proven no Semetic link between Native americans and the Jewish race.

Actually this is untrue. The human genome project had traced all dna types directly back to africa. White, black, native american, jewish, egyptian...all from the same source, and our dna proves it.

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Yes, this is exactly what I am implyiing. The entire Bible, both new and old testaments are nothing but Astrotheology. Every story contained therein can be traced to the movement of the sun through the night sky and the seasons of the year. Jacob, Moses, Garden of Eden, Jesus, the Apostles, Parting the Red Sea, Mary, Judas, Caen and Abel, Fish and Bread, Water into Wine, etc...

Any time you see the number 12 in these religious texts it is refering to the signs of the Zodiac.

Many people like to speculate what history truly is.
People always talk of a missing piece of the puzzle.
Problem is, long ago the puzzle was spray painted black and many pieces were destroyed.
We will never truly see the picture.
It's that way by design.
So now all we have is a future, clouded by others ideas of what the accurate history is.
So we take it easy on some groups as they were slaves and persecuted hundreds and thousands of years ago.
We need to live in the now, so we might experience a future.

reply to post by The time lord


The biblical flood is documented in Mahabharat, though the story you quoted from Purann is false.

The city of Dwarka got submerged in the flood, and there is solid historical evidence to that fact. This happened more than 5100 years before today.

The Noah's ark story is false.

People like to tell and listen to beutifully crafted stories. One such is Santa Claus.

But we should draw a line between the plausible and the imaginative.

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yes, if you really want to go into detail, there is a human genetic bottle neck that traces back to a mass extinction thousands of years ago, where a small tribe of people are responsible for the entire population of the planet.

As well as mitochondria eve we can trace or line back to very small female group maybe even one...

Now that being said their are genetic markers for each group of humans that can be correlated by race, IE you can tell a native american is really a native american by their dna.

JUst as the semetic jewish people can be identified by certain dna characteristics, all that does is trace the seperation of the branches of humanity.

SO yes we are all related, the question here is how closely, and in this there is no direct heritage from the Jewish people and the Native americans, yes in the abstract we are all related.