A Weird Personal Experience - And a Warning.

My name is Paul and I never believed in what is commonly referred to as ''spells'' and ''magic''. My understanding of reality precluded such childish phenomena.

It just so happens I met a young girl from Oregon a few days ago. And she believes in magic - big time.

Worried about her ''out there'' mental state, I decided to prove to her magic is just a bunch of nonsensical tales for superstitious rednecks (no offense).

And so I made a bet with her:

If disclosure (I explained to her what that means) doesn't happen within the next 10 hours (countdown starts when this message gets posted on my introductory ATS thread), she can cast a spell on me - a spell that's going to turn me into a girl.

When she casts her ''spell'' and nothing happens, she will understand magic is but a figment of her imagination.

The problem is - I am unsure whether magic is just a figment of our imaginations after a series of experiences which keep happening to me after losing the - very difficult to win - bet.

I wrote the introductory thread a few days ago - definitely more than 10 hours have passed since then.

The experiences and changes keep happening with increasing frequency.

Some might say the girl needs professional help and I am merely playing along to keep her happy.. the problem is, I really WANTED her to accept there's no magic, but she seems to be the one proving her point with all the inexplicable stuff happening to me!

Be careful about making bets. No matter how outlandish they seem. I really do hope I won't regret losing my bet and the changes just stop. Eventually.

I disagree that someone who believes in magick needs professional help. That's a very Christian/Muslim sort of belief really, isn't it? But don't these groups believe in praying? Isn't that just a form of magickal thinking refusing to believe it's magickal? Maybe that's why it doesn't always work so well.
(Sorry that was me being catty.)

Wiccans and most pagans believe in magick and we don't consider each other crazy. As an OCCULTIST I have actually cultivated magickal belief in myself. That people that believe in magick are superstitious fools is something you are taught in school. I'm no fool. I've got a degree in science. Science is science to me and magick is magick. It's like cooking and choosing what to eat - 2 very different things that are totally compatible in my worldview- trick is just keeping everything in it's time and place.

Does magick work though? Yes indeed, it works better for me every single year that I practice it - and one has to practice - but the interesting thing is the better it works, the less I want. There's been times I've eased up because I wasn't sure if I WANTED to be a happy hermit witch living in a hovel eating her soup and petting her cat. Because - from my experience - from what **I** can tell - that's where real magick leads to. When you can have anything, you find that power and material possessions lose their meaning for you...Christians won't ever believe it, but THAT brings one very close to what they'd call "GOD"

So, JMO, you sound a bit holier than thou and like you have a set construct that you are not willing to change. That sort of attitude is really not all that congruent with the safe practice of Magick. It could be very, very dangerous for you.

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From what I have seen, belief is 95% of magic. Belief by the caster, and belief by the person being cast upon. It is also possible for a person not to know they have been cast upon and still experience the results.

So it would seem that you are literally in a battle of beliefs as it were with this young lady, only she is using hers on you, while you are not. Something to bear in mind.

Having said all that, it is also my belief that religion, magic, and science are properly all one thing. Or they will become so as our understanding of things improves.

As to the reality of magic. Yes it is real. I have seen too many examples of it myself but I also believe it is science we just do not understand yet. Personally I would always prefer to see a witch for a medical problem because he/she will not recommend synthetic drugs made from petrochemicals, and he/she will not be anxious to cut you open like real doctors are wont to do. (The first task of a magician is to learn to heal. You might question her on this and use it to your advantage, but you are in a tricky area here unless you have some understanding first.)

Indeed if you read The Secret Teachings Of All Ages, by Manly P. Hall you will find instructions on how to summon a demon. You will also find the strongest cautions against taking this lightly and attempting it. I would strongly advise against it as well. I only mention it as a validation of magic. One which I will not reproduce here.

Hope this helps you in some way.

Thank you for your helpful answers.

Be careful what you ask for. Sometimes these things take time. Magic usually starts small and builds slow.

For instance, your thing may turn purple and fall off for some "unknown reason". Might be tomorrow, or next month.

Then you could gain a lot of weight and your chest would distend and sag.

Magic as a challenge to the REAL powers that be is like pissing on a talisman. I wouldn't do it.

It might not be a bad thing. Allowing yourself to become a being of duality will happen eventually, maybe this was a way for your subcon to speed up the process.

You don't believe in magic? It's for "superstitious rednecks"?

Afraid to say it but you seem to be the "superstitious redneck" for thinking you're turning into a girl and not believing in spells and such.

Now go put on your pink Dora the Explorer jammies and I promise, tomorrow we'll buy that lovely dress you want so much.

You're gay. This is your mind's way of dealing with the fear of "coming out". Don't you see? You made the bet, not her. You designed this entired set of events so that you could tell yourself, and anyone willing to listen, that "oh its not MY fault! that crazy witch cast a spell on me and now I'm only turned on by men." I'm not saying you did this intentionally to pull one over on us, you really do believe what you're saying. Years from now when you've gotten over the initial difficulty of becoming gay and you've met some other gays and built a sort of support system that makes you feel ok without having the mental delusions (this is NO offense to you, I am NOT imaging you AT ALL. we all do this same thing to ourselves in order to be able to do what we really want to do and be who we really want to be), then you will look back and laugh as you tell your boyfriend about how you gradually "came out of the closet" and it started with this "silly" bet with a witch and the post you made about it on ats. Congratulations. It takes courage to take the first step in becoming what you truly are, even if you are doing it in a roundabout way... cheers! I'll still have a beer with ya, I got nothin against that sort of thing!

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LOL - needed a good laugh. Thanks for that.

Magic is just projection of consciousness to change the physical and mental levels of existence to suit a particular purpose. You can either use a go-between such as God, or an Angellic entity or your own self will to do this. Magic takes a lot of energy and concentration to do with self will alone.

I believe that magick is just science we don't know yet.
But I also believe there is something greater than magick and technology-The One or Yehovah.

You are being affected because you vibrate slower and you do not have a strong enough will.
You are going to need help, I am afraid. Google how to break spells or I would just call on Yehovah and ask Him to save you.

Don't mess with stuff you obviously don't know how to use. Would you pick up liquid nitrogen with your bare hands? If you thought it was snow you might do, after all snow is not going to harm you!

Do this; imagine you have a shield bubble around you, made of light. Keep thinking of it all day, keep bringing your thoughts back to that picture. See what that does.

Bonne chance.

Just because she believes in Magic does not mean she is your Fairy Godmother!

She cannot grant you your wish!

Welcome to the wonderful world of womanism. Here's a few tips. Wonder bras can only do so much, feminine products get expensive quick, and guys are only in it for one thing (but you already knew the last one).

To those saying Christians don't believe in magic, that's only rationalist thinking. Magic and the occult is forbidden, and some scriptures suggest lying spirits are the ones behind all the effect of the occult.

I'm a Christian and I believe in magic and evil spells. but do I practise such evil things from the Annunaki? NO! I think some are miss judging Christians for their superstitious beliefe.

War has been a spiritual war sinse day one, do people know this?

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Mods this thread is a HOAX. Please move to proper category. This is College Frat boy level humor at the very best. The OP has contacted me through U2U and this has become obvious.

Have let "elevatedone" know the particulars through U2U