Iranian Pastor Faces Execution for Refusing to Recant Christian Faith

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


Persians were nice people, heavily influenced by peaceful traditions and religions of India. Until it was swamped by people of Turkik tribes.

The real Persians are now in minority and suppressed within their own home country.

The people calling the shots, the so called Mullahs, are of Turkik tribes. These people are exceptionally brutal and vile people.

Iran has become a hopeless place under the rule of Mullahs.

It is not only about the Christian that is the topic, all Parsi and moderate people are heavily suppressed in Iran.

How about we just show some support for saving a man's life???

-second

reply to post by whitewave


You may be correct about that verse: However it doesn't seem we are near Rev. 20 as yet. There is indeed another series of martyrs that appear in Revelation in chapter 6:9 in the 5th seal:

"6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed for the Word of God, and for the testimony of the Lamb which they had.

6:10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, Master, the holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

6:11 A long white robe was given to each of them. They were told that they should rest yet for a while, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who would also be killed even as they were, should complete their course."
We are at least in the 5th seal: may be further but that great worldwide earthquake has yet to happen in Chapter 6. and in Iran: They usually hang the condemed. Unless of course you are a 6 year old child that stole a loaf a bread because you were hungry: then all they do is run a humvee across your right arm. I have the video of it and the boy wasn't even a Christian. hmmm
Either way: If you are a Christian you are condemed
DH

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
So if your christian you hate the bad ol' Iranians right?

Using religion as a tool to play people against each other.

a true Christian does not hate: There is only love. If anyone who says they are a Christian professes hate then they are not as they call themselves. You have lumped all Christian into one pot. Love those who persecute you, do good to those who hate you. A real Christian may hate the actions of someone, but they will never hate the person, and it is possible to do just exactly that. God hates the evil, not the person that does the evil, and that is what a real Christian is to do. If anyone does anything less and calls themselves a Christian, it is not so.
Just like a certain supposed church that goes around with hate signs all over the world "God Hates this" "God Hates that" those people are not anywhere near what they are supposed to be. ie. God does not hate America: He hates the sin in America. Most people just don't get it.

DH

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
Why does this keep happening when these are BOTH religions of ABRAHAM? May the LIGHT protect his soul and flesh and reflect upon his oppressors their deeds. SMH

GOD BLESS HIM.

edit on 9/29/11 by Ophiuchus 13 because: (no reason given)

Ya there all worshiping the same god, and basically the same people and entities only with minute differences and versions of the same thing. Really there all crazy, this whole planet is full of crazy ass people.

So what would you expect from them, but that which they are, unsane.

The noble but somewhat unsane faith that by some principle of truth men can be conditioned to perfectly rational behavior....Martin Gardner

The fact that he's even on trial and being considered for the death penalty should clue you in as to how intolerant and violent Islam really is.... not just the "fringe terrorist" Muslims.

reply to post by DavidsHope


It is very important for the King to punish the sinner.

If USA considers itself to be the global King, then it is the responsibility of USA to ensure justice in every country, and that includes Iran.

Killing a person for his religious beliefs is reprehensible. But it happens all over Muslim world.

Religious beliefs?

Rape?

Security Related Crimes?

Iran should make up its mind, no?

www.cnn.com...

reply to post by Procession101


Ya, sure that will work. Tell me, who should head up this scientific dicatatorship? Will it be the one with the most toys or the most money??

Be careful not to confuse the decisions of governments with the beliefs of religions. The people who make those decisions don't represent Islam any more than the people who bomb abortion clinics represent Christianity. Remember, the only people you can blame for actions like these are the ones doing them. Don't stereotype the people who follow Islam.

reply to post by JIMC5499

It's their country and they can do what they want. What gives us the right to tell Iran what they should do?

then maybe we should have left nazi germany alone. i mean, it's their country, right? what are a few million jews to us? arguing "it's just their culture" doesn't work.

there are many muslims who practice what they believe without harming anyone, but they don't follow the qur'an as it was intended. the people who follow the qur'an and muhammad's teachings are the ones we call "fanatics".

Be careful not to confuse the decisions of governments with the beliefs of religions. The people who make those decisions don't represent Islam any more than the people who bomb abortion clinics represent Christianity.

it's called sharia law. islam is a religion AND a government system. where do you think they came up with this?

reply to post by Procession101


Say hello to communist Russia, but on a worldwide scale.

It's their country and they can do what they want. What gives us the right to tell Iran what they should do?

It is no different than if my neighbour next door commited the act, IMHO. Some things should not be tolerated anywhere in the world. I am no fan of non-interventionism at all costs and false "tolerance". Should the germans be left alone in exterminating the jews, if they had not attacked other countries?

reply to post by Bob Sholtz


Let me put it this way: Do you blindly agree with every law there is? I'd be willing to bet the answer is no. My point was: Don't assume that all Muslims or Iranians agree with these decisions.

Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

reply to post by deanx

How 'bout next time you read my entire post before you spout off your notions about what I am trying to say. Your ignorant!

reply to post by pthena

Whether it's illegal or not, if it happens, it's sick. Is a humanitarian failure.

Anyone seen China Cry?

Here is the wiki:
en.wikipedia.org...

The wiki doesn't say it, but in the movie they order her to be executed by a firing squad because she refuses to reject her christian faith in favor of Maoism. Another reason that they were so aggressive with her was because she had western influences and it's my guess that they were trying to discourage western ways from spreading into china. But the movie focuses on her faith.

She died in 2004:
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by vedatruth
reply to post by DavidsHope

 

It is very important for the King to punish the sinner.

If USA considers itself to be the global King, then it is the responsibility of USA to ensure justice in every country, and that includes Iran.

Killing a person for his religious beliefs is reprehensible. But it happens all over Muslim world.

Who made us king? Why do you have to be lead by a "king"?

Does that include bombing civilians or oil theft for exxon mobile?

Oh wait.

One of the characteristics of a cult is that you're not able to leave freely.

Is Islam therefore a cult?

If you try to leave Islam, there is a death sentence.

reply to post by EPH612

Let me put it this way: Do you blindly agree with every law there is? I'd be willing to bet the answer is no. My point was: Don't assume that all Muslims or Iranians agree with these decisions.

i disagree with laws that contradict my beliefs. i know there are iranians/muslims who disagree with this law, but if they are muslims, it is hypocritical.

the law about killing apostates (one who renounces a religion) comes from the qur'an and muhammad's examples. it makes no sense to say "the qur'an is our holy book, and muhammad is god's prophet" then reject the parts you don't like.

reply to post by jonnywhite

Whether it's illegal or not, if it happens, it's sick. Is a humanitarian failure.

Yes it would be a serious human failure. Here's an update from reuters

Iran court likely to revoke pastor's death sentence: lawyer
"I am optimistic that the Supreme Court in (the holy Shi'ite city of) Qom will drop the case altogether. I am 95 percent sure about it ... the court is on (next) Monday and I think that the court decision will come out next Monday," Dadkhah said.
. . .
The lawyer said Nadarkhani's sentence was based on fatwas issued by a senior cleric, now dead, but at least three others had challenged the ruling.
. . .
"The court cannot rely on the religious opinion of a Islamic jurisprudent against three others."
. . .
Gholam-Ali Rezvani, deputy governor general of the northern province of Gilan, said on Friday Nadarkhani had been sentenced to death not for apostasy, but for other crimes.
. . .
"He was a Zionist, a traitor and had committed security crimes," said Rezvani( deputy governor general of the northern province of Gilan). Iran's judiciary officials were not available to comment.

So if there are charges against the pastor that his lawyer is unaware of, that would be a serious flaw in the legal system from a Western standpoint too.