Outspoken Canadian Legislator Calls U.S. 'Idiots'

Originally posted by TACHYON
Marg the US is not doing any genocide. They are using intelligence to specifically pick out terrorists. We are not lining up people and shooting them row by row in the hopes that one is nailed. Heck they are put in jails and given food and shelter, something way more than they deserve.

Dear lord, where on earth do you get your information from?

Such is the face of War. Saddam had uranium and weapons, and he hid them before the war. Do you serioulsy think war does not involve bombs? LMAO, this is too much, let me go get a glass of water.

Originally posted by TACHYON
Marg the US is not doing any genocide. They are using intelligence to specifically pick out terrorists. We are not lining up people and shooting them row by row in the hopes that one is nailed. Heck they are put in jails and given food and shelter, something way more than they deserve.

Originally posted by TACHYON
Such is the face of War. Saddam had uranium and weapons, and he hid them before the war. Do you serioulsy think war does not involve bombs? LMAO, this is too much, let me go get a glass of water.

You want to pick one and run with it? Your first post states that the US is precise in it's targets. The second states, with a lame excuse, that war is messy. I tend to believe the person that doesn't switch horses midstream. Don't choke on that glass of water.

The U.S. military is a precise as possible, Yes we are targeting specific individuals, and yes there is collateral damage. There always has been and always will be.

As for the candan chck let her say whatever she wants who cares it canada.

Originally posted by mwm1331
As for the candan chck let her say whatever she wants who cares it canada.

I think you've just justified the reason why Canadians say the things they do.

Originally posted by mwm1331
The U.S. military is a precise as possible, Yes we are targeting specific individuals, and yes there is collateral damage. There always has been and always will be.

As for the candan chck let her say whatever she wants who cares it canada.

It is really with great precision and care. US bombed Wedding Parties in both Iraq and Afganistan. It demonstrate the precision and specificity of US.

Tachyon:

Marg the US is not doing any genocide. They are using intelligence to specifically pick out terrorists. We are not lining up people and shooting them row by row in the hopes that one is nailed. Heck they are put in jails and given food and shelter, something way more than they deserve.

First off, if you drop a 4,000 pound bomb on a terrorist hiding out in a building, there is going to be a 3,000 metre BLAST RADIUS, where concrete, wood and human flesh will be totally ripped to shreds. If you drop a huge bomb in a populated zone, you are going to kill innocents. 12,000 Iraqis have been killed as "collateral damage" in the Iraq War. 4 times more than the 3000 Americans who died in 9-11, and none of these Iraqis had anything to do with that.

Secondly, put in jails and given food and shelter? Try incarcerated without charges for months or years at a time, subjected to torture and degradation, and then eventually released without being charged at all. Is Abu Ghraib frickin Club Med?

Such is the face of War. Saddam had uranium and weapons, and he hid them before the war. Do you serioulsy think war does not involve bombs? LMAO, this is too much, let me go get a glass of water.

I hope you're using that water to wash down some anti-psychotic medication. What are you talking about? Yes, Saddam had weapons and uranium (from way back to 1984 when it was sold to him). He had none left. What's the proof? OPEN A FREAKIN NEWSPAPER. Nothing has been found.

Your country invaded a 3rd World country with no Airforce and a ragtag army and carpetbombed it into submission. The most cowardly war fought in a very long time.


And as to the thread, who cares what this person says about the USA? She said "Coalition of the Idiots" she didn't say "Wow all Americans are idiots".

To me, "Coalition of the Idiots" is an insult on a political level. Even if it WAS on a social level, why the heck do you care?

It's like high school. If someone says "You're a loser", do you walk around for the rest of your life saying "Oh wow, I'm a loser" or do you just move on with your life, knowing that someone else's opinion of you really doesn't matter a whit in the long run. What qualifies this woman to make an accurate statement about Americans?

Grow some cojones, I say.

Or buy some on Ebay, I am sure they're there somewhere.

Originally posted by cargo

Originally posted by mwm1331
As for the candan chck let her say whatever she wants who cares it canada.

I think you've just justified the reason why Canadians say the things they do.

I'm going to start this off by saying that I mean no disrespect to Canadians in what I say here, and I don't think anyone should take it that way.

In Canada what is it like 90% of the population lives within 100 miles from the states? I know it's something like that. Here in the US most people live hundreds and can easily live 1,000 miles or more from Canada. In Canada your networks air a large portion of our television programs, and your theatres are filled with our movies. Here in the US we see very little to none of this. This close proximity to us and the fact you see a lot of our TV programs garners you average knowledge about the US that an American wouldn't get about Canada. You rely on us for your national defense, things our government does directly effects you much more then would things the Candian government does us. To a Canadian the US is the ever present entity not far to the south. In the US, Canada is a foreign nation far from where they are that effects them little. You're bombarded by our culture, we have hockey and beer commercials.

What I'm basically trying to say here is that no, what a Canadian legislator says doesn't matter to Americans, for no reason should it matter to most of us. We have enough trouble keeping track of our own internal politics, let alone another nations. I'm sorry if that sounds bad.

I've lived in upper New York state, right on the St. Lawrence. I've lived in Buffalo, and where I live now I can see southern Ontario from across the lake on a clear day. When I've been without cable TV I've seen many Canadian telecasts on CTV, CBC, and Global. I still do sometimes break out an antenna to see Hockey Night in Canada if I feel like watching a descent hockey broadcast. I've been to Toronto, Montreal, Quebec City, and Ottawa. You know what? There's really very little different between our nations. Kilometers, French, your more European style government in whole, and some stores and brand-names. That's about it. I can tell you that I fully believe that the average Canadian is no more worldly and knowledgeable then the average American. The people are the same aside from accents. Well Qu�becois are different, but I mean that as a compliment.

I guess living in close proximity and having a like for Canada this whole rift thing irritates me more then it would most. I've already written a lot more then I wanted, I just hope it makes sense to someone...

And don't forget, the US is just a bunch of "Shatner stealing Mexico touchers."

PistolPete:

In Canada what is it like 90% of the population lives within 100 miles from the states? I know it's something like that. Here in the US most people live hundreds and can easily live 1,000 miles or more from Canada. In Canada your networks air a large portion of our television programs, and your theatres are filled with our movies. Here in the US we see very little to none of this. This close proximity to us and the fact you see a lot of our TV programs garners you average knowledge about the US that an American wouldn't get about Canada. You rely on us for your national defense, things our government does directly effects you much more then would things the Candian government does us. To a Canadian the US is the ever present entity not far to the south."

Part of the reason is it's DAMN COLD the further north you go. We huddle along the south border because it keeps our beavers warm

Secondly, we have like 1/10th of the US population. 32 million I think? Which is, what, the population of New York State?

That's about it. I can tell you that I fully believe that the average Canadian is no more worldly and knowledgeable then the average American.

I would question that. Education is more affordable up here, and we're far less insular. Americans are the best entertained, least informed citizenry in the Western World, IMHO. Canadians are less hung up on patriotism, and because of the huge multicultural makeup of the country, we're more worldly.

In my opinion anyway. Take a look at a newscast on CBC and then watch CNN and you will see a glaring difference. CBC is more similar to BBC than to any US networks. It reflects a lot about our culture, I think.

But you're spot-on when you say our opinions don't and shouldn't matter to Americans. They shouldn't and I am always astounded when some politician says something anti-American and people freak.

It's our country and it's our Free Speech, and who the F cares what we think about you, right? Because we sure as heck don't care what you or anyone else thinks about us.

While I believe that all politicians should be mindful to be decourous in public settings, I find Ms. Parrish's statement to be less offensive than the villifying of all Frenchmen by the U.S government. Actions speak louder than words. Canada too was disparaged for refusing to take part in the Iraqi war.

Ms. Parrish also did not refer to all Americans as idiots, her remark was in reference to Bush's desire to have Canada sign on to his missile defense policy. In that she made her point, but could have driven the point home with a better choice of words, because Canada is not a warring nation, and in my opinion has no reason to fear attack. To agree to build a missile shield places us on that path and sends a signal to the enemies of the U.S that we are taking a war position, especially when Bush wants some control over Canada's missile defense.

It is high time to be encouraging the rest of the world to disarm, not arm. and I shudder to think what presidents like Bush would be inclined to do to enemy nations knowing that he's now armed Canada to the teeth.

Originally posted by cargo

Originally posted by mwm1331
As for the candan chck let her say whatever she wants who cares it canada.

I think you've just justified the reason why Canadians say the things they do.

And you have just justified why Americans don't care about the opinions of Non Americans.
I state that the words of a legislator in a foreign country about the elected leader of our country is irrelevant and people get thier panties in a bunch. Truth is I could care less what any Non American legislature says about members of the government of my country. Wanna know why? Because your opinions dont matter, ours do. We are the ones who vote, we are the ones who live under the laws our government enact and we decide who our leaders are. The opinion of the canadians, british or green martians don't matter because they are not Americans and don't get a vote. Why is soveriegnity such a hared concept for canadians and europeans to understand?

Originally posted by Weller
Three cheers for her! As an American, and an educator, I have to agree at this point. The general knowledge of most voters who actually participate in the process is going down the toilets.

Media, video games, materialism, food habits leading to obesity issues all contribute to the distraction the American people are going through right now. We can't elect someone unless they are media ready, and I'm tired of listening to unneducated people spout off at the mouth on subjects they clearly have no facts on.

I'm not calling Americans unintelligent, just far less educated than previous generations and too distracted to care. Take a look at what an average 8th grader had to know in 1900 and compare it to what you think most Americans know and it would probably shock you.

We need to stop being offended by comments like this and own up to the fact that like any empire before, we are becoming lazy, fat and complacent to a large extent. We can reverse this, but I doubt it will happen on a large scale. We are falling behind the rest of the world in math, sciene and even basic grammar skills and are not producing a large number of children who will be adaquately prepared for the future. Its truly sad.

I love my country, but I refuse to live in ignorance or denial, to do so would be truly un-American.

Peace out.

Do you really think Canada is that much better? Going to many parts of Canada is similar to visiting third world countries like Haiti. You think the average peasant in China is a genius? Mexico? There are stupid people everywhere and the U.S. has its fair share.

Dgtempe

Originally posted by marg6043
TACHYON,

Well I guess US just have to eradicate the entire middle east nations, just to make you happy, when something like this happened in the world its call genocide.

Obviously you did not read my post the right way, but what can I say people only see what they want to see.

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by TACHYON
Marg the US is not doing any genocide. They are using intelligence to specifically pick out terrorists. We are not lining up people and shooting them row by row in the hopes that one is nailed. Heck they are put in jails and given food and shelter, something way more than they deserve.

Your are right. All Iraqi people including children, women and elders killed by US were terrorists and enemy combatant. US bombs dropped over thousands feet are accurate to pick out enemies.

It is one thing for civilians to die in a war and entirely different when your country targets its own civilian population. China. Where having a different political view can get you killed or imprisoned for life. It is ok to torture your own population and crush them with tanks if they express any dissent. Zcheng you are just being stupid when you post anti US messages while ignoring the evil and tyrannical government you sold your soul to. Not that I expect any less from you.

Originally posted by fawlty
It is one thing for civilians to die in a war and entirely different when your country targets its own civilian population.

Sure, Iraqi people is a less-human to you, maybe less also than your puppies.

China. Where having a different political view can get you killed or imprisoned for life. It is ok to torture your own population and crush them with tanks if they express any dissent. Zcheng you are just being stupid when you post anti US messages while ignoring the evil and tyrannical government you sold your soul to. Not that I expect any less from you.

Do you know Waco? How many survived Waco? Chinese government dealing with FLG is better and more human than US.

Do you know there was LA riots? and Do you know how your government responded to it? I do not see much different.

comment like "evil and tyrannical government" just showed your ultimate ignorance about current China.

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by fawlty
It is one thing for civilians to die in a war and entirely different when your country targets its own civilian population.

Sure, Iraqi people is a less-human to you, maybe less also than your puppies.

China. Where having a different political view can get you killed or imprisoned for life. It is ok to torture your own population and crush them with tanks if they express any dissent. Zcheng you are just being stupid when you post anti US messages while ignoring the evil and tyrannical government you sold your soul to. Not that I expect any less from you.

Do you know Waco? How many survived Waco? Chinese government dealing with FLG is better and more human than US.

Do you know there was LA riots? and Do you know how your government responded to it? I do not see much different.

comment like "evil and tyrannical government" just showed your ultimate ignorance about current China.

I can tell you are really informed. Waco was a cult. A cult where children as young as thirteen...possibly younger were forced to have sex. The cult also was illegally acquiring banned weapons. The religious and cult aspect were not why we were there...it was the serious violations of the law. The L.A. riots involved primarily african americans looting other african americans. We let them loot each other for the most part...afterall they were only hurting themselves. In both of those instances, we did not take political prisoners or torture them or kill them because of their views. The morons in Waco got themselves killed and the L.A. rioters eventually grew tired of looting each other and things returned to normal. There are differences between breaking the law (violence, pedophilia, larceny, etc...) and expressing your political views (religious freedom, sovereignty). You are unable to distinguish between the two because you are from China.

Originally posted by fawlty
I can tell you are really informed. Waco was a cult. A cult where children as young as thirteen...possibly younger were forced to have sex. The cult also was illegally acquiring banned weapons. The religious and cult aspect were not why we were there...it was the serious violations of the law. The L.A. riots involved primarily african americans looting other african americans. We let them loot each other for the most part...afterall they were only hurting themselves. In both of those instances, we did not take political prisoners or torture them or kill them because of their views. The morons in Waco got themselves killed and the L.A. rioters eventually grew tired of looting each other and things returned to normal. There are differences between breaking the law (violence, pedophilia, larceny, etc...) and expressing your political views (religious freedom, sovereignty). You are unable to distinguish between the two because you are from China.

FLG is considered cult in China. Incident in 1989 was peaceful initially, but later became riots. I did not see much difference.

Oh no. Some canadian politican who I have never heard of before called 300 million people idiots and bastards. She hates 300 million people. Wow! Even Hitler didnt hate that many! Applause for her!

Well, Ms Parrish is more than entitled to hate the guts of 300 million people and call us idiots, because there 300 million people who have no iodea who she is, and care less.

But its her right. If Canadians have no problem with it, its thier biz. When she starts terrorist training camps, then ill be concerned, but intil then, Ill simply drink my beer and enjoy the day.