Al Qaeda warns Iran to 'Stop spreading 9-11 Conspiracy Theories'

Originally posted by tyson45
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

and you truthers amaze me with your ability to take circumstantial evidence and believe its direct evidence. you have zero, absolute zero, proof of explosives in tower 7 or a missle hitting the pentagon. zero. yet we have pieces of the plane and demonstrations showing the weakness of the steel in those buildings. thats what amazes me.

Here, your argument dies. Show us evidence that is not circumstantial for either side of the coin. The problem is that the official story is a collection of circumstantial evidence which presents a potential interpretation of it all as an absolute fact. If there is no real evidence (say for example it has been melted down and turned into a freaking aircraft carrier) then the official story is up for debate. Don't argue by saying "I looked at the stuff and it's solid." Argue by saying "Here is the evidence which proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the official story is factual and solid."

Without that evidence, the debate will continue. Without an independent investigation, we will be arguing for more decades.

I just hope that one day, if the truth comes out and it's "9/11 was a False Flag Operation", then it is not shrugged off as a part of the past. It needs to explode. People need to be burned at the stake for it. Rooted out of whatever comfy defense contract they are wallowing in at the time, and spit-roasted for the world to see... then disposed of "in accordance to Muslim custom."

reply to post by CrikeyMagnet


Very good post and certainly an angle which the OSers tend to ignore. If the "truthers" and "Osers" (always a polarity isn't it?) both want an independent investigation (both for opposite reasons) then why haven't we received one?

Oh so it's all cleared up now. Now we know Al Qaida really did do it ! When will we get a broadcast tv show about Al Qaida to brainwash the masses even more? This sounds straight out of something like "24" or another broadcast mind programming show.

Originally posted by DanteMustDie
"Great Satan?" Has this term become synonymous with the USA?

not sure if it was said already but Satan means adversary if i remember correctly.

Originally posted by stirling
The queda boys are loathe to give up thier most famous caper hey?
Its pretty obviousthat they are not going to admit they didnt do it....Its just too big of a propaganda victory, as well as an operational one.
In serious reflection on the issue, i have come to the colclusion that it was a US operation at some point.

Whether or not the US had a hand in 9/11 (by negligence or direct activity) it is silly to suggest that al quaeda would have a greater propaganda advantage by "falsely" claiming they were responsible, when compared to the propaganda advantage of demonstrating the US is capable of attacking its own citizens.

-rrr

Originally posted by bacci0909
Did he ever say it was in the commission? It's what the government and MSM have been shoving down our throats since day 1. Why would we want to read the commission? Even an OS'er wouldn't want to read it. It was DENOUNCED AS WORTHLESS AND TAMPERED WITH BY 6 OF THE 10 COMMISSIONERS. Don't know about you, but I don't like those odds..

A) Yes, he did say it was in the 9/11 commisison report. He claimed it was the "Official Story" and the "Official Story" is the 9/11 commission report. Everything else is speculative. Mp personal opinion is that Mohammed Atta was a sociopath and he was using al Qaida to hurt as many people as possibleas much as al Qaida was using him. The [censored] didn't even care that he was murdering other muslims.

B) You're embellishing. Lee Hamilton is on record as saying it was a first draft and it almost certainly contained information that would be disproven as time goes by. Their statements referred entirely to collected details such as Mohammed Atta's girlfriend, who testified at the time that he ate pork and behaved like a party animal, but it was subsequently discovered she was making everything up. The commission report still confirms it was an actual terrorist attack and not ONE of the commissioners even remotely entertain your conspiracy theories.

C) If you genuinely believe the 9/11 report is "a pack of lies" then it becomes your responsibility to read the thing to know exactly what the lies are. Your coming here saying the "commission report is a pack of lies" before going on to describe some Wile E. Coyote cartoon version that the 9/11 commission report never said only makes you look uninformed and ignorant. It's like doing a book report on a book you never read.

And stop your crock.. it has nothing to do with "these damned fool conspiracy web sites".. we don't need anybody to tell us what we saw, like OS'ers do, we know what we saw wasn't right. As for al Qaeda, you can find out everything you need to know about their true origins without visiting any "conspiracy web sites".

Baloney! Simply look at the "how I first started doubting the official story" thread and we can see right away it's chock full of "I saw Loose Change", "I saw fahrenheit 9/11", "I looked at AE911truth", "I listened to Alex Jones", etc etc etc. If you're trying to claim it wasn't some consoiracy monger or another running one of those damned fool conspiracy web sites that first put the idea into your head there was some sinister secret conspiracy afoot, you will be lying. There are too many false claims the conspiracy people are passing around...

-the hijackers were all illiterate cavemen
-some of the hijackers are still alive
-all the bomb dogs were pulled from the WTC before the attack
-the fires melted the steel
-no interceptors were scrambled
-no plane wreckage or bodies were ever found at the Pentagon
-there were no fires in WTC 7

...for this to be simply some mass psychosis. Someone is deliberately inventing this bad information and spreading them around for an agenda that has nothing to do with 9/11 research.

Which brings me to the same question I asked earlier... if you hate 'these damn conspiracy sites' so much, why are you on one?

(sigh) okay, one more time...ATS isn't a conspiracy website. It's a conspiracy discussion forum where everyone on all sides of the discussion can come and have their say in complete freedom. If this were a genuine conspiracy web site they'd be pushing an in-house conspiracy to the point of outright censorship, and most of us who don't go along with it would be banned in short order. I know this becuase I was banned from the Loose Change forum only after two weeks. Heck, anyone posting "no plane" claims were banned instantly.

reply to post by DanteMustDie


For crying out loud, is obvious most of you are rusty on your history, and can't think past "the old U.S. government is behind every conspiracy there is in the whole wide world"...

So the CIA USED some Afghan people, including Bin Laden, BACK IN THE DAY to FIGHT the Russians, who back then were openly Communists...

Wow...that's a lot of evidence that Bin Laden worked for the CIA and thus the CIA and the U.S. government planned 9/11...

It's not like in the whole history of the world allies have EVER turned against who USED to be allies...

Naaa, that can never happen... It's all just a CIA, F.B.I, DEA, "insert a three letter U.S. agency name here" conspiracy...

This sort of nonsense is what gives a bad name to real conspiracies.

Oh, btw...in case you guys didn't know...some terrorist organizations actually LIKE everyone to know it was them who did terrorist attacks... It gives a message of "don't mess with us" or "we can do it again."

For terrorist groups taking credit for their terrorist attacks is their resume...

Normal people put in their resume legitimate work histories. For terrorist groups the terrorist attacks they carried is their resume...and they don't like other people taking credit for what they actually did.

But of course...none of you even thought this through...

i wouldnt say its credible at all. how the hell do we even know these words came from al qaeda directly??

THERE IS NO WAY TO CONFIRM THIS.

the only thing i agree with what they said is that they referred to the u.s as the 'great satan.'

Originally posted by Thutmose
There is no 911 inside job. Al Queda fully takes credit for it. Yet when they do, people STILL don't believe it, strait from the terrorists mouth. How irrational can you get?

Have you ever seen a terrorist? or are you just talking about the poor goat herder they chose to show on t.v. and say this is the "evil man"

Originally posted by sith9157

Originally posted by Thutmose
There is no 911 inside job. Al Queda fully takes credit for it. Yet when they do, people STILL don't believe it, strait from the terrorists mouth. How irrational can you get?

Have you ever seen a terrorist? or are you just talking about the poor goat herder they chose to show on t.v. and say this is the "evil man"

Have you ever seen a Alien? No? Then they must not be real.

You guys act as if Muslims are too retarded to pull off 9/11.

Show us evidence that is not circumstantial for either side of the coin.

The problem is that the official story is a collection of circumstantial evidence

Circumstantial video of plane hits...



Circumstantial pics of plane debri from the pentagon

Without that evidence, the debate will continue. Without an independent investigation, we will be arguing for more decades.

Do you know what "circumstantial" means?

Some of the responses in this thread are highly illustrative of just how diseased conspiracy think can become. Al Qaeda claims responsibility for 9-11? Why, they must be run/funded/created/receive orders from CIA! Those that disagree? "Dis-Info" agents!

Real science, real research incorporates new learning. Theories evolve over time. 9-11 conspiracies NEVER deviate from the predetermined conclusion. When confronted with evidence contrary to the already determined conclusion, CT'ers simply go further and further down the rabbit hole never realizing how absurd & twisted their 'theory' (read abject speculation) has become.

Seriously folks, get a grip. It's been 10 years running now. Other than Internet forum echo chambers & a few sad, black T-shirt wearing, bullhorn carrying 'protestors', 9-11 conspiracy theory is pure lunacy.

Then again, this is the same forum that entertains space beam weapons, "dopler" sound effect generators, hush-a-boom mini nukes, seismic generators, holographic airplanes, thermite, super thermite, military grade thermite, nano thermite, thermite spheres (otherwise known as paint chips), remote controlled planes, planes with bombs attached, no planes at all, faked phone calls to loved ones from the airplanes, every news outlet in existence being "in on it" and on and on and on and on...........

Seriously, get a grip. Or don't.

Life will move on without you.

Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
Some of the responses in this thread are highly illustrative of just how diseased conspiracy think can become. Al Qaeda claims responsibility for 9-11? Why, they must be run/funded/created/receive orders from CIA! Those that disagree? "Dis-Info" agents!

Real science, real research incorporates new learning. Theories evolve over time. 9-11 conspiracies NEVER deviate from the predetermined conclusion. When confronted with evidence contrary to the already determined conclusion, CT'ers simply go further and further down the rabbit hole never realizing how absurd & twisted their 'theory' (read abject speculation) has become.

Seriously folks, get a grip. It's been 10 years running now. Other than Internet forum echo chambers & a few sad, black T-shirt wearing, bullhorn carrying 'protestors', 9-11 conspiracy theory is pure lunacy.

Then again, this is the same forum that entertains space beam weapons, "dopler" sound effect generators, hush-a-boom mini nukes, seismic generators, holographic airplanes, thermite, super thermite, military grade thermite, nano thermite, thermite spheres (otherwise known as paint chips), remote controlled planes, planes with bombs attached, no planes at all, faked phone calls to loved ones from the airplanes, every news outlet in existence being "in on it" and on and on and on and on...........

Seriously, get a grip. Or don't.

Life will move on without you.

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It's been 10 years and every day more people across the planet disbelieve the events as stated in the offical story. Also, stop making broad generalizations about people called "truthers." People from all corners of life in the US and other countries believe the US government is hiding information about 9/11: Elderly people, young people, war veterans and family members of people who died when the twin towers collapsed. Every day more people question the official story provided by the government by a committee that was, "set up to fail."

10 years ago when I had just turned 21 had never heard of ats and knew nothing about conspiracy I knew something was wrong when footage of the pentagon and pa crashes never materialized.

Al Quesadilla would never attack the US with anything less than a nuke - they knew the price they would pay - a couple thousand of us a million of them.

do they attack us abroad where it's convenient in the sand box where they live - prolly

reply to post by Rineocerous


You don't understand. Al'Qaeda is being used as a chess piece by TPTB. They are not going to admit anything, because there are still a good deal of people who have no idea of what is going on, and will support endless wars and BS just because there's now al-ciada in tripoli... etc. The effort is NOT to destabalize, the effort is to control. They do not want us up in arms, resisting their every move. They want us to bow down like jesters and not even realize that the deck is rigged at the black jack table.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverseNormal people put in their resume legitimate work histories. For terrorist groups the terrorist attacks they carried is their resume...and they don't like other people taking credit for what they actually did.

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Poor Al'Qaeda, they have been unemployed for 10 years That's gonna hurt their chances of finding another "job".

"So, it says here you carried out the 9/11 attacks. What have you been up to since then?"

"Well....work has been really hard to come by, you know, what with the economy and the US invasion".

"Hmmm...so you are unemployed eh? Well, we are willing to give you benefits, but you'll have to work for them. Do you like Libya? I hear its warm this time of year".

Originally posted by SlightlyAboveParReal science, real research incorporates new learning. Theories evolve over time. 9-11 conspiracies NEVER deviate from the predetermined conclusion.

Strange, I haven't heard the OS change or evolve much either.

"Never deviate from the predetermined conclusion" - sounds a lot like the 9/11 Comission to me!

The USA owes osama a medal for helping to defeat the russians in the afghan. He was a good trusted family friend of the bushs. Which is why when 911 happened all the bin ladin family were flown safely back to the saudi. This was the next day when the hunt was on for bin ladin and all planes were grounded in the USA. He was bushs heroin supplier. Weapons for heroin. Al cia da are now our good allies in Lybia

Originally posted by GenRadek

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms


How does that spoon feed terror taste, cause you have eaten your fair share. No one has said that Al Qaeda doesn't exist, nor that it's members aren't fundamentalists. But every "body" needs a head, and that head is directed by intelligence agencies. They were created by the CIA, funded by the CIA and trained by the CIA. The concept is very simple, control both sides for the purpose of having a boogy man that plays right into your plans.

Correction:

The CIA helped fund the Mujaheddin. The Mujaheddin were the "freedom fighters" fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. They comprised mostly of many different factions working together to fight the common enemy. Many were just Afghans that wanted to defeat the USSR, others were groups vying for power, others were fighting for whatever reason. Either way, the group together consisted of many different people, groups, and ideologies. Yes, elements of what would become AQ were in it as well. After the war, radical Islamists began their "anti-west" quest and began pushing their radicalized version of Islam, with Sharia as law, and even worse. AQ members were with them. They broke off and created AQ. They began their jihad against those that did not comply with their bastardized version of Islam, and began through terror, injecting their version into the populace. .

To say that the CIA is funding AQ right now, is a load of crap based on incredulity and ignorance of actual history. Did the CIA fund the Mujaheddin? Yes. Were there elements in the Mujaheddin that became AQ? Yes. Does that mean the CIA funds and trains AQ? Nope. But in a mind twisted by conspiracies behind every shadow and rustling leaf, the "5 degrees of separation" is good enough of a connection.

And after the Soviet-Afghan war they were hired by MPRI, whom has more 4 star generals under contract than the pentagon, so you need to rethink the date of the break, assuming there has been one. Whenever the Pentagon needs to do operations bypassing the congress or public at large, it is being outsourced to this private organisation. MPRI sent the manpower left from the Soviet Afghan war (and fresh recruits) to fight in Bosnia. 5 of the alleged 911 terrorists fought in Bosnia.