Those who oppose Christ and His messengers will disregard ~ Leave New York City + San Francisco

reply to post by colbe


So either John Leary or God is homophobic, whichever of the two is actually saying this stuff.

Interesting.

i flew all the way to the east coast this weekend for this jesus guy's birthday party and he didn't even show up.

that's just rude


by the way, my gf's dad turns water into wine every year.. and he showed up to the party.. maybe he's jesus?

Can someone point me to where in the gospels Jesus is quoted as saying homosexuality was a sin? Or where he said that having sex would condemn you to hell? In fact can you show me anywhere in the bible Jesus said violent action should be taken against any person?

I mean I don't class myself as a Christian, or anything else for that matter, although I do believe in a creative force/godhead. Just seems to me that all the Christian ranting on this site is totally in contradiction to the actual teachings they profess to follow.

I know the old testament says something against, I would just like to hear where Jesus said that people having sex, being homosexual would condemn you to hell, and where he encouraged others to hate and attack, because from what I see on this site the so called "Christians" are anything but Christian...

Originally posted by mudbeed
reply to post by colbe

 

Wait I am in Minnesota not too far from Minneapolis which apparently has more gays than NYC or San Fran!

OMG!?

Apparently GOD doesn't even know that or something?...

Don't worry, you'll probably get your own special warning, or...........
Maybe you will just get a BIG surprise with no warning.

"And he changeth the times and the seasons; He removeth

kings, and setteth up kings; he giveth wisdom unto the wise,

and knowledge to them that know understanding. He revealeth

the deep and secret things; he knoweth what is in the darkness,

and the light dwelleth with him." ( Dn 2: 20-22 )


And the irony is that the same indivduals that god-jesus installed create the laws, and the oppression, genocide, and we are to worry why

God is now pissed off with his own decisions

Seriously

reply to post by PrinceDreamer


The ancient premise for a physical reaction to chaotic behavior is rooted in the same logic that one might use to justify spanking a child so that they fear crossing a busy road alone. The act of spanking the child is not meant in hatred, but rather in preservation. Certainly, stoning is an amplified example of this, but so is the level of spiritual chaos (incorrectly touted as freedom) that one exhibits in homosexuality relative to a child not understanding the risk, by chaos, to their own physical life.

So then, for a time in human development, it is clearly warranted to react, physically, against such conduct. However, as time has progressed, and Life has moved us to increased wisdom, we should see more clearly. In other words, as a child develops and leaves the age in which spanking is warranted, they will see for themselves the chaos they enter into by running into a busy road. They no longer need the spanking as their own judgment should be sufficient. This is why Christ said that all of the law could be summed in giving all to Life and giving to your neighbor as yourself.

Based upon this progression, we should no longer seek to stamp out chaos or pride as in the days when we were spiritually infantile, but we should seek to lift each other up and set ourselves apart where necessary. In this we should understand that we are one with our neighbor in offering compassion while remaining effective in preserving the images of Life which are common in our conduct.

For example, with homosexuality, the chaos is rooted not in the physical act alone, but in the spiritual act. Men represent the Order of Life (the inverse of pride and opposite of chaos) and women represent the Charity of Life (the inverse of chaos and opposite of pride). So the true division in homosexuality occurs in that it is not a true image/reflection of Life which is OrderAndCharity, but it is an image of incompletion.

Yes, the physical act of homosexuality has it's own set of evidence to indicate it as chaos, but so does heterosexual promiscuity. Certainly, the law should be sufficient for us to become awake and become good judges of our own conduct, but we often rebel. So, in grace, good judgment should be taught and encouraged, but let the natural folly of a person's conduct be their "stoning." We are no longer in need of such basic conduct. We are in need of Godly conduct (understanding and expressing understanding), but, as you pointed out, it is not common among supposed believers.

reply to post by allprowolfy


To judge the dirt as dirty while eating of it's fruit is certainly foolish.

Jesus has always existed:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

If there's any confusion about who the "Word" is (it's not the Bible):

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

"Word" = Greek word Logos

Translation: relevatory thought, a mind that reveals a way of thinking through communication.

"Made" = Greek word Tunuva

Translation: Created as, formed to be.

The Word of God is the revelatory thought of the mind of God, when Jesus Christ was created (at the moment of CONCEPTION) God's mind, His way of thinking, His "revelatory thoughts" were made flesh through the creation of His son.

Christ had a begining through Mary his mother. There is ONE GOD, the father the almighty creator of the heavens and the earth. The teaching of Jesus Christ as an immortal being who choose on his own to become man to die for the remission of sins is completely false and is simply a carrier over from the false doctrine of the trinity.

Jesus Christ is the son of God, His mind was in total unity with God's from the moment of birth (his creation) which is the proper way of interpretting the scripture "word made flesh".

essentially:

Word made flesh = "The relevatory mind of God was created physical" = Jesus Christ

Remember the 1st commandment always... I am the Eternal God Almighty. You shall have no other gods besides me.

reply to post by ElohimJD


While I agree that the Trinity is a false maxim, it is important to understand what "is," then.

We know the Son proceeds from the Father. And we know that the Spirit proceeds from the Father. But the Father does not proceed from anywhere/anyone. This is the fundamental distinction that is missed in Trinitarian doctrine.

However, to say that Christ only had the mind of God is disingenuous. Who other than God can bring forth God? Was it not Christ who breathed out Comfort to us? Does not Christ clearly delineate His communion with the Father in John 17?

Rather than lowering the Provision which Christ is to the Brethren, we should be understanding that it was "God come down" who lifted us up to the inheritance of the Children of God. Again, refer to John 17 for a specific delineation of the communion we have as the dirt (which was given life) being connected to Life itself (having come down in the form of dirt).

Christ was not simply a man with the mind of God, He was God come down. The same as Comfort in us and expressing out from us is God on the Earth, now, and so that we can enjoy the work They have done as though we are eternal rather than simply temporal it is God who works in the desire and conduct of the Children.

reply to post by colbe


I am tired of the Christians invading ATS, Go away!!! We don't need you saying repent and save yourselves because of some fake rapture!! The Rapture is not real, so go and preach to someone else who really gives a #e!! I mean hearing this crap my whole life, I come on here to escape from a little bit of reality and to enjoy myself, and what do i see, Christians all over the place!! Seriously can we request it gets banned, this is ridiculous!

Originally posted by liliththedestroyer
reply to post by colbe

 

I am tired of the Christians invading ATS, Go away!!! We don't need you saying repent and save yourselves because of some fake rapture!! The Rapture is not real, so go and preach to someone else who really gives a #e!! I mean hearing this crap my whole life, I come on here to escape from a little bit of reality and to enjoy myself, and what do i see, Christians all over the place!! Seriously can we request it gets banned, this is ridiculous!

Why do you read a Christian thread? You don't have to lilth. Maybe,
God is sending you a "grace" to change your heart? I think so...

The "Rapture" is a false teaching. You must pick up and carry your cross
not escape it. Jesus carried His cross His entire life.

There are tons of atheists, non-bellievers at ATS but there are some
Christians too.

Elohim and Dasher,

The mystery of the Incarnation, yes? Jesus Christ is fully God and fully
human. He has two natures. If you say no, you are limiting God. God has revealed the Incarnation is true.

Jesus realized the burden ahead of Him, suffering in the Garden like a
human person and He raised people from the dead during His ministry,
that is an example of His divinity.

Originally posted by curious7
reply to post by colbe

 

So either John Leary or God is homophobic, whichever of the two is actually saying this stuff.

Interesting.

The message is from God, given to His messenger John Leary. You
better believe God means it. God doesn't change, enough with the
homosexual agenda. They can't make an "evil" act good. Homosexuals must repent with true contrition and confess this abominable sin to God.

Then remain celibate
to be in God's grace.

The term "sodomy" has an origin.

reply to post by colbe


I clearly said nothing that goes against your statement.
The issue with the Trinitarian doctrine is that it limits the communion/inheritance which Christ brought to His Brethren, and establishes a persona/scope in which the Father resides, which is not reasonable by any means.

Digressing...
While I understand your desire to believe these sorts of false prophets, it is much more believable, in our current era, that God would strike down the false believers for their poor and disbelieving conduct than They would strike down non-believers who are far less hypocritical.

Side note -
You should understand that the Savior's name was Joshua, a common name with great meaning, but by placing a "supreme" name (in this case, a transliteration of the Greek name for Joshua, Jesus), that those who act so blindly are entering into the company of idolaters? So then, if the "average" believer doesn't understand even the basic name of our Brother, why would you go and rest in the words of a prophet whose prophecy does not echo or harmonize with the Truth?

Digressing, again...
Do keep in mind that we are all judges, and as we judge, we will be judged. If these were days without our Brother having come, I might wonder at whether this prophecy is true, but by the condition of the apparent church and the poor understanding of individual believers, this prophecy is more closely related to self-gratification than a work of God. And if not, I will repent, but by basic spiritual understanding of the communion that Christ spoke of, the words of this prophecy are simply not "in alignment."

Originally posted by Dasher
reply to post by colbe

 

I clearly said nothing that goes against your statement.
The issue with the Trinitarian doctrine is that it limits the communion/inheritance which Christ brought to His Brethren, and establishes a persona/scope in which the Father resides, which is not reasonable by any means.

Digressing...
While I understand your desire to believe these sorts of false prophets, it is much more believable, in our current era, that God would strike down the false believers for their poor and disbelieving conduct than They would strike down non-believers who are far less hypocritical.

Side note -
You should understand that the Savior's name was Joshua, a common name with great meaning, but by placing a "supreme" name (in this case, a transliteration of the Greek name for Joshua, Jesus), that those who act so blindly are entering into the company of idolaters? So then, if the "average" believer doesn't understand even the basic name of our Brother, why would you go and rest in the words of a prophet whose prophecy does not echo or harmonize with the Truth?

Digressing, again...
Do keep in mind that we are all judges, and as we judge, we will be judged. If these were days without our Brother having come, I might wonder at whether this prophecy is true, but by the condition of the apparent church and the poor understanding of individual believers, this prophecy is more closely related to self-gratification than a work of God. And if not, I will repent, but by basic spiritual understanding of the communion that Christ spoke of, the words of this prophecy are simply not "in alignment."

I have no idea what a "persona/scope" is, sounds like double speak.

We do not agree Dasher. Christians believe in the Blessed Trinity.
One God in three divine persons. God the Father, God the Son and
God the Holy Spirit.

Let me get this straight, in our time God is going to strike the believers who you call false before sodomites who disbelieve in God's Commandments because they're not hypocritical just doing the "act" which is against God, the same act Sodom was destroyed for.
That's better than the History channel stating God destroyed
Sodom because of inhospitality.

The Hebrew meaning of Jesus is God Saves. Jesus is God and He is
the Savior of the world.

Originally posted by PrinceDreamer
Can someone point me to where in the gospels Jesus is quoted as saying homosexuality was a sin? Or where he said that having sex would condemn you to hell? In fact can you show me anywhere in the bible Jesus said violent action should be taken against any person?

I mean I don't class myself as a Christian, or anything else for that matter, although I do believe in a creative force/godhead. Just seems to me that all the Christian ranting on this site is totally in contradiction to the actual teachings they profess to follow.

I know the old testament says something against, I would just like to hear where Jesus said that people having sex, being homosexual would condemn you to hell, and where he encouraged others to hate and attack, because from what I see on this site the so called "Christians" are anything but Christian...

So, say, condemning theft, rape, bestiality, etc. and those who commit them would also be "in contradiction" to "the actual teachings they profess to follow", being that they are never spoken of by Jesus in that good old book which clearly records every last word he might ever have spoken. Let me not mention such things as slavery or paedophilia, since they aren't even mentioned anywhere.

You don't seem to understand that the Christian doctrine consists of its entire "Bible", not just the alleged words of the alleged Jesus in the four canonical Gospels, nor that this character Jesus we find in these texts, whether he was historical or not, emerged from from a Jewish cultural milieu which followed the laws laid down in the Hebrew scriptures, which quite explicitly outlaw male homosexual activity and prescribe death as a due punishment therefore, whatever the followers of "liberal Judaism" are wont to say. "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose."

Give it a rest now. You're right not to class yourself as a Christian, since you apparently know very little whatsoever of the general Christian religion.

reply to post by Dasher


I don't want your claptrap, that is your opinion nothing else, my questions were quite specific, where in the gospels did Jesus say homosexuality was a sin, where did he say fornication was a sin, where did he say that violence should be used against people?

The fact is he didn't and you so called Christians are just making it up as you go along, deciding for yourselves what is right and wrong and then using Jesus's name to try and add some credence to your arguments, and taking the lords name in vain is a sin, is it not?

All morality is made up.

From where did you get yours, huh, smartass? Your oh-so-modern condemnation of "bigotry" like "homophobia" comes from where, huh? Just another moralist.

Originally posted by PrinceDreamer
reply to post by Dasher

 

The fact is he didn't and you so called Christians are just making it up as you go along, deciding for yourselves what is right and wrong and then using Jesus's name to try and add some credence to your arguments,

And this procedure is different to that of the authors of the Gospels in what respect?

Originally posted by PrinceDreamer
and taking the lords name in vain is a sin, is it not?

According to your logic, no, it isn't.

Going on another trip to NYC in February. Can someone with a direct uplink to god tell me if I'll be safe, or if he's planning on committing his genocide right when I take my trip?

The first weird Bible verse he tackles is 1 Samuel 18:27: "David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king’s son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage."

Me thinks David likes those foreskins