Lil video disproving all 911 conspiracies by PENN and TELLER

reply to post by Chesster


after all this time...

there are still people that believe the "Official Story"?

911 commission report was & is a joke..

I believe there is something fishy with the whole thing, but even if you cant agree on that, you must admit that at least 1 part of the official story is dubious.
Rumsfeld says it best -

youtu.be...

reply to post by Chesster


I just watched the whole thing with an open mind and saw no evidence of anything at all. He presented two loonies with loony theories and then he presented a few "normal" people who have normal theories. It was strictly opinion. I was really hoping he would get into some details at least instead of saying

"____ is not true because look at the jack asses who believe _____"

Pen Teller are are simply spouting off what their producers tell them to because they like money.

They use basically one form of psychology .......Ad Hominem.


That's all he is good at..... yelling in his annoying voice saying words like "stupid" or "moron" to describe someone who disagrees with him..... sad really.


I find the level of intelligence being used on that show, very, very, low.

Sorry OP but your title is very misleading. Half of the video does not even focus on any of the conspiracy theories but simply states that people are inherently skeptical as proof that the official story is legit.

Its Penn and Teller...what do you expect.

reply to post by Chesster


i understand plenty what bilderberg is and what the logan act is, but obviously we are not going to agree. I admit, you are smarter than i thought, but i will just close with saying that I wish i had your optimistic view, but all of my research into those categories has lead me to see otherwise.

Originally posted by MrWendal
Shortly after the 1 minute mark, your comedian makes a remark about 9/11 conspiracy theories taking root in the American consciousness, then says Oliver Stone will make a "crappy" movie about it.

That is an interesting remark because it insinuates that Oliver Stone's JFK movie is based on nonsense...... however the Senate Committee on Assassinations admitted that there was a conspiracy regarding the JFK assassination .. so was it really a "crappy movie"?

Hate to tell you, but your video debunks itself.

Exactly. The insinuations Penn & Teller are making, in reality, should be applied to the assumptions they are making. They are the ones that are trying to embed a story "into our sub-consciousnesses". The problem here is these guys are two very manipulative people, and are in the business of smoke and mirrors. One of them also is very brash and outspoken. Who better than two con-men, to convince America to buy the official story?

If I could speak with mr chubby, I'd tell him he was incredibly naive to believe everything he is told, and to expect everyone to do the same. I'd probably also end up kicking his ass for being a big-mouthed charlatan who wants to ridicule anyone who looks at the shady administration of the day and believes they have the capacity to commit such crimes.

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I just wanna say one thing chester. I'm not trying to get you to beilieve me. I'm not trying to get you to believe 1500 architects and engineers. I am trying to get you to see the evidence. Plain and simple. Please look at this video and well tell me how im wrong and there was no coverup. Please I am asking you to
1 look at this evidence www.youtube.com...
2 debunk it thouroughly because you seem to think its wrong
3 Please Like I said b4 I am somewhat objective and willing to agree with you I really am just please clear some things up for me. Saying "o 1500 architects and engineers thats it you know hoe many are in the world"

Ever been to a courtroom? Ever seen expert testimony. Ever see the judge go why should I believe you theres so many other experts in the world. No the judge looks at the information says ok and comes to a decision. Open your eyes and please watch the video I posted. I will gladly I WILL REPEAT GLADLY CHANGE MY MIND IF YOU SUPPORT YOUR IDEALS WITH EVIDENCE. Please debunk it I don't like being lied to and if you can prove Dr Steven Ray Griffin is lying to me I will immediately switch sides.

reply to post by Chesster


This video is lame. It doesn't explain anything. It only shows a few nutjobs as the conspiracy theorists. Real funny. FAIL.

reply to post by Chesster


I have read only half a page of your thread, an all i can see is you don't want debate.Even though you frequently use the word debate.I am sorry to say but you are confusing debate for arguing. Your first response to someone else is not reserved or posed instead you say this (quote).(.I assume you are one of those people with imaginations that thinks the gov did it..) (quote) (So does your brain get the truth from truth rays?) and this quote bothers me the worst i am British and have no love for any parliament be it my own or any other.your quote( Debate like an American... not one of those Brits in Parliament who just hurl insults and accomplish nothing) That just shows me that you are an angry individual who is a raciest with a little superiority complex. You started your thread with a dash of patience but after just two thread posts which is not a lot you lost your composure.You became the type that also have no right in a debate a forceful one-sided person with a short temper. Please try harder with your temper you will succeed more in debate. I understand that 911 is a real heart felt topic and that is why i will not engage in a 911 debate.But i read all comments in those threads. I look forward to your future threads my friend and don't get discouraged.

Never have ad-homin and straw man arguments been so compelling...

But seriously, did anyone else notice they didn't dispute facts, they just picked two crazy truthers to mock the whole time?

I'm not even American, and I have a suspicion there was inside knowledge, similar to pearl harbor. Besides, not to be cold, but if I were a terrorist, I wouldn't have hit the buildings on a Monday before most people got to work. It would be mid-day on a Tuesday when I could achieve 'Maximum Terror". Just sayin...

It's OK folks calm down, there's nothing to see here.
The OP has left the building..

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Agree. Chester got his stars/flags and rocks off messing with ATS... see ya later alligator, I hope those stars and flags earn you something neat at the concession stand. If you have any left over get me a giant Sponge Bob plushy.

So we should all listen to this comedian instead of the countless architechs and engineers that state the official story goes against the laws of physics. This comedian obviously knows better than the pilots that have come forward and said they couldnt hit those towers going at that speed even after up to 50 years on the job. But all of a sudden random men in a cave can not only get through secure airspace and attack the most secure nation in the world, but now they can also go against physics and hit targets no living pilot could do.

If you still believe random men in caves caused 9-11 you need to grow up and study the history of government. Operation Northwoods is a great place to start so is Hitler's invasion of Poland. But sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming NOT TRUE doesnt make reality go away.

reply to post by Chesster

lol,They tell the truth on how retarted people think...this is so true and so funny,thanks op,the truth has been told.lol

Seriously no disrespect, but this is how I feel after one of these threads that are obviously designed by the OP to prey on people's emotions. Chesster was good actually, kept up the pace, admitted a very few times something needed more consideration, but hammered home this stupid video as evidence and let us all attack it like a honey trap. If you follow him, he's smart... and this was all a twisted game I believe.

I think it's clear that Penn and Teller was a bad video to use. I even turned it off after a minute when I heard the way they were going about.

Although, this could potentially make people think about some of the other videos they show, which use emotional ploy and deception to convince people that it had to be a conspiracy. Remember how back in the day, so many people were convinced that there were no planes at all on 9/11, or that the planes were not 767s? It took years of debunking and proof to get people to simply accept that the planes existed. But anyway, I don't really know where I'm going with this, so I'll go ahead and leave it here.

Originally posted by Chesster
youtu.be...

More proof that the towers fell to a terrorist attack
Love the video figured I would share it, plus they did a great job analyzing and interviewing experts and people that were there.

THey even explain why the heat from the fire was so hot.

Anyhow, I ask any truther to bring any evidence to the table, I would love to see evidence and not arguing or nonsense theories please.

Penn and teller did a great job here! Enjoy, the conspiracy does not exist.

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edit on Sun Sep 25 2011 by DontTreadOnMe because: embed video

Yep, when I want the definitive word on the worst terrorist attack in american history..I find a magician.
Duuuude..

Originally posted by Chesster
reply to post by Acetradamus

 

Anyhow a conspiracy of that size fails by nature, so therfor logic points to no conspiracy just because the magnitude of people needed to play out a conspiracy like that would be impossible to control, think watergate. No conspiracy with more than 1 person has more than a 25% chance of success and the percentage drops fast the more people you add... we would be in the super nagatives with the amount of people it would take. Remember not everyone that works for the gov agrees with them, not everyone is a crazy brainwashed zombie.. cause if they could control all those people, you know they could control the citizens...

I'd like to see exactly where your statistics are pulled from.... and please don't show me a picture of your anus cause I'm assuming that's where you got your "facts."

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough it will be believed." Adolph Hitler
Nuff said

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Hey fellow ATSers...be careful with Chesster...I believe we have another George Soros in our midst...selling out his own to save his ass...Papers please papers!! This is how the Nazis started rat!!

I have ZERO respect for the FBI front, entrapping INFRAGARD program...this sounds like Nazi Germany all over again!! These "volunteers" are not professionally trained....this is not a "beautiful thing",,,this is spying on your neighbors and accusing them of crimes like keeping their shades closed or not believing their government...they are dirty scumbags, rat!