Republican: the party of ignorance and greed?

reply to post by Section31


Just look at the previous threads SZ has authored. Pretty much a hater and not much of a rational thinker, mainly goes on emotions, but that's just my opinion.

Soon to go the way of other political trolls possibly?

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by Section31

 

Just look at the previous threads SZ has authored. Pretty much a hater and not much of a rational thinker, mainly goes on emotions, but that's just my opinion.

Soon to go the way of other political trolls possibly?

Spiritualzombie's motivation is to manipulate people into responding with anger. Once he has successfully manipulated everyone, the thread responders will be split into two factions. Spiritualzombie is seeking to use this thread in a divisive manner, so he can pit ATS member against ATS member. Instead of creating a thread that unites everyone, Spiritualzombie chose to create one that thrives on division.

Nothing productive will come from this thread.

Man I have read this entire thread, and it is downright scary. I supported Obama, because at the time I thought he was a better candidate, however, that does not make me a Democrat. I don't believe that all Republicans are ignorant, nor do I believe that all Liberals are crazy.

However, I do have a few questions for some of the Republicans, on things I don't understand.

They want to limit the powers of the Federal Government and are all for individual freedoms, that being said, I have a couple of questions.

1. The pro-life stance, some want a Fed anti abortion law. However this interferes with the most personal choice a woman can make, add to that, they do not want their children taught about sex in school, however many refuse to teach them anything but abstinence at home. While I would agree that abstinence could be the best course of action, how many horny teenagers buy into that? Pro-choice does not equate to pro-abortion. The question is why should any level of the government be involved?

2. The homosexual issue, again, a personal acceptance of a particular lifestyle. Bachmann and others are screaming for a Constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and a woman. Why? Doesn't this interfere with the individual freedoms of some? Marriage is a religious institution, why should it be governed by any level of government, shouldn't this be left to the church if anyone has the right to make this determination.

3. State control of issues. Republicans are screaming for state's right in all areas of our lives, how is this going to work out in our now mobile economy. In the past, people didn't move around the way they do now, I personally have lived 8 different states over the course of my years, it would be sad to think that the HS diploma I received in one state, meant absolutely nothing in the next state over. Do Republicans not see the need for some laws to cover our entire country?

Just a few, but am anxious to see the answers, these are just some things I really don't understand about the Republican platform.

reply to post by macman


No twisting, friend, just a larger perspective of the situation you and I find ourselves in.

If we are, indeed, our own government, then taking care of those whom need taking care of is a very integral part of what we believe a Government SHOULD do, because that is what we would do personally.

Representation, at its finest.

Who gets to say where the line is of who 'needs' it?

Certainly not you or me, soldier.

The sad truth is, as a teacher at a public school, I pay more in taxes than all of General Electric. So do you.

I believe there should be a hundred fold increase in education funding, so that we can have independant thinkers again, because innovation is as American as apple pie.

Are those pesky inner city welfare moms really the ones ticking you off, or is it the bastardization of what our country should truly be?

You give the ultimate sacrifice every day for the hope that that welfare baby may grow up and make our country better, yet the only thing stopping that is, simply, the chance.

The system that is supposed to provide that chance is quickly becoming oppressive to the point of ruin.

What keeps you and I slaves to that system is our own personal hope that we can change the negative and amplify the positive.

We just have to find out which 'negatives' and 'positives' we have in common.

That is where we can make our stand...

reply to post by Section31
This is the. . . .

ANTI-THREAD

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
From the denials of global warming and man's impact on the environment, to their constant loyalty toward corporations and support for war in oil rich nations, blind nationalism, hatred and distrust of outsiders, while always saving judgement and cynicism for the poor, the needy, the sick, the peace loving, and environmentally conscious. Does the mainstream republican base rely solely on a mixture of ignorance and greed?

There is something extremely disturbing about this hive mentality. In fact if you notice in debates and other discussions... republicans who do not embrace the hive mentality are shunned from the group.

I don't understand how any free-thinking, socially conscious person can embrace this twisted mentality? In order to support today's Republican party must a person also embrace Ignorance and/or Greed?

Your post is nothing but,cynicism and sarcasm and yet you blame others for this,how is this not a "hive mentality"you preach and hate just like your hive of progressive socialist.You refuse to listen to the scientist that refute the global warming scam but stand behind a man(Al Gore) that fills his pockets with money from lies and deception that have been disproven many times over.

As long as you choose to belive this retoric thats your choice but ridicule others that research and really deny ignorance with facts is just plain stupid and typical of a liberal hive mentality as you put it.

reply to post by Section31


I disagree.

Perhaps we can use the inflammatory aspect of the thread against the OP and actually communicate with one another.

Or just keep calling each other 'poophead' in whatever ways we can think of.

OUR collective choice...

Originally posted by BubbaJoe

1. The pro-life stance, some want a Fed anti abortion law. However this interferes with the most personal choice a woman can make, add to that, they do not want their children taught about sex in school, however many refuse to teach them anything but abstinence at home. While I would agree that abstinence could be the best course of action, how many horny teenagers buy into that? Pro-choice does not equate to pro-abortion. The question is why should any level of the government be involved?

State level. RP is dead-on with this.

2. The homosexual issue, again, a personal acceptance of a particular lifestyle. Bachmann and others are screaming for a Constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and a woman. Why? Doesn't this interfere with the individual freedoms of some? Marriage is a religious institution, why should it be governed by any level of government, shouldn't this be left to the church if anyone has the right to make this determination.

Who cares? Really, who cares. Let gays be gay, let 'em get married. Let 'em get divorced. Let 'em buy furnature. Who bloody cares.

3. State control of issues. Republicans are screaming for state's right in all areas of our lives, how is this going to work out in our now mobile economy. In the past, people didn't move around the way they do now, I personally have lived 8 different states over the course of my years, it would be sad to think that the HS diploma I received in one state, meant absolutely nothing in the next state over. Do Republicans not see the need for some laws to cover our entire country?

What laws specifically? To vague.

reply to post by beezzer


Your stance on homosexual marriage puts you at odds with at least 75% of your chosen party. If there ever becomes a party that is socially liberal and fiscally conservative, the elephants and donkeys will be political fossils...

So if Republicans are so greedy and ignorant what does that make the donkey democrats?
Both sides are as bad as each other.
When you right and left wingers going to get it?

No twisting, friend, just a larger perspective of the situation you and I find ourselves in.

Oh come on. That is twisting as you have taken what I said out of context and you know that.

If we are, indeed, our own government, then taking care of those whom need taking care of is a very integral part of what we believe a Government SHOULD do, because that is what we would do personally.

No, the Govt is not supposed to take care of the masses, within the welfare realm. Kind of goes back to the idea of voting money for ones self.

Representation, at its finest.

Who gets to say where the line is of who 'needs' it?

See above

Certainly not you or me, soldier.

What is the soldier remark crap?

The sad truth is, as a teacher at a public school, I pay more in taxes than all of General Electric. So do you.

Yes, that is sad. To bad GE is in bed with the Dem and the Govt as a whole. You know, no interest loans and such.

I believe there should be a hundred fold increase in education funding, so that we can have independant thinkers again, because innovation is as American as apple pie.

Sorry, but throwing money at a problem has yet to solve the issue.
Maybe do away with the Department of Education, return it back to the local and state control, get rid of Unions and trash the "No child left behind" monstrosity.

Are those pesky inner city welfare moms really the ones ticking you off, or is it the bastardization of what our country should truly be?

Only if they are milking the system.
The Govt first has to take from me, to give to them. Theft anywhere else in the world, except when applied to good feeling welfare programs.

You give the ultimate sacrifice every day for the hope that that welfare baby may grow up and make our country better, yet the only thing stopping that is, simply, the chance.

I sacrifice for my family, not yours. That is why I work. To provide for me and mine, not your and yours.

The system that is supposed to provide that chance is quickly becoming oppressive to the point of ruin.

It is what you make of it.

What keeps you and I slaves to that system is our own personal hope that we can change the negative and amplify the positive.

I am not so worried about fighting the system, so much as protect my family and provide for them.

We just have to find out which 'negatives' and 'positives' we have in common.

That is where we can make our stand...

Yes, and changes need to be made.

reply to post by spiritualzombie


But at the end of the day both parties are the same.

Indeed it is YOU who needs to pull thier head out and take a good hard look at how only the issues that truly matter are the ones where both sides break thier illusion of partisanship. Its a god damn joke my friend and the more people that come to this realization, the sooner we will solve problems as human beings, not as Democrats or Republicans.

reply to post by macman


There use to be decent human beings in the Republican Party, moderates with some sense, like Charles Percy, Jacob Javits, and even Nixon is better than the present lunitics in the GOP today.

Now there are just radical ignorant people like the tea party and their hate government rhetoric.

Actually all they hate is money going to black and brown people and poor folks.

Originally posted by jimnuggits
reply to post by beezzer

 

Your stance on homosexual marriage puts you at odds with at least 75% of your chosen party. If there ever becomes a party that is socially liberal and fiscally conservative, the elephants and donkeys will be political fossils...

Never said I was a republican.
I'm a conservative.
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig difference.

reply to post by TDawgRex


I don't know the OP's motivation for this thread. I do however find an element of truth insofar as the greed charge this time around. I have generally supported Republicans in the past. There has been a disconnect in the party stance regarding ethics, IMO.

I have noticed how we are presented, by Republicans, with the argument that if taxes are raised on millionares they will not hire anyone. Yet, since the Bush tax cuts were kept in place at the end of last year, unemployment has gotten worse, not better. Obviously, this is a false ploy. Many millionares don't have businesses per se' and other than hiring domestic servants, no employment will result in tax policy changes. The real change might be they have to settle on a 90 foot yacht instead of the 100 foot yacht, should their taxes increase. That yacht most likely will be foreign made, of course...

At the very time when the Republican party is hell bent on keeping the rich richer, they want to steal the benefits of the Social Security recipients, to cut spending. They were forced to pay into this system all their lives. Republicans now label them as welfare cheats, who should have their benefits confiscated. The obvious place where spending could be cut drastically is funding all these wars we find ourselves in. The Republicans however want to spend more on wars to protect Afgan poppy fields and grab oil rich nation's property.

If a drastic rethinking of Republican policy does not take place soon, I believe you may just see Obama Nation a reality for four more years. Social Security recipients watch what is happening and they vote in large numbers. The young seldom turn out to vote in meaningful numbers and you don't have a huge quantities of millionares who vote.

Bottom line: Throw granny under the bus and she may just wreck your damned bus.

reply to post by jimnuggits


Why do we (Beezer and I) always get painted into the corner on Rep party?

Myself, I am a conservative Libertarian.

reply to post by spiritualzombie


Use the term "hive live mentality" much?

It is clear the OP is regurgitating anti republican doctrine he has read somewhere. If he had half a brain he would realize democrats are tax and spend money writers who can only about winning reelection and nothing about the nations finances.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by BubbaJoe

1. The pro-life stance, some want a Fed anti abortion law. However this interferes with the most personal choice a woman can make, add to that, they do not want their children taught about sex in school, however many refuse to teach them anything but abstinence at home. While I would agree that abstinence could be the best course of action, how many horny teenagers buy into that? Pro-choice does not equate to pro-abortion. The question is why should any level of the government be involved?

State level. RP is dead-on with this.

Beezzer, please read my last line, why should this decision be made by any level of government, it should only be between the two parties involved, and a medical professional.

2. The homosexual issue, again, a personal acceptance of a particular lifestyle. Bachmann and others are screaming for a Constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and a woman. Why? Doesn't this interfere with the individual freedoms of some? Marriage is a religious institution, why should it be governed by any level of government, shouldn't this be left to the church if anyone has the right to make this determination.

Who cares? Really, who cares. Let gays be gay, let 'em get married. Let 'em get divorced. Let 'em buy furnature. Who bloody cares.

I wholehearted agree, however, many if most Republicans don't see it this way, remember DOMA?

3. State control of issues. Republicans are screaming for state's right in all areas of our lives, how is this going to work out in our now mobile economy. In the past, people didn't move around the way they do now, I personally have lived 8 different states over the course of my years, it would be sad to think that the HS diploma I received in one state, meant absolutely nothing in the next state over. Do Republicans not see the need for some laws to cover our entire country?

What laws specifically? To vague.[\quote]

Educational standards, real standards for one. Why should a child from a poor Southern state have to reach lower standards than a child from Colorado. Federal safety standards, should a car manufactured in MI have higher safety standards than one manufactured in KS. Environmental standards, if someone decides it is ok to dump toxic waste in the Missouri river, how do all of the states downstream control this? These are just a few off of the top of my head, but think they make this question less vague.

edit on 25-9-2011 by beezzer because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by macman

 

There use to be decent human beings in the Republican Party, moderates with some sense, like Charles Percy, Jacob Javits, and even Nixon is better than the present lunitics in the GOP today.

Now there are just radical ignorant people like the tea party and their hate government rhetoric.

Actually all they hate is money going to black and brown people and poor folks.

Yep, because the Tea Party hates brown and black people.

Same thing as the Black Panther Party hating white people.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by jimnuggits

 

Why do we (Beezer and I) always get painted into the corner on Rep party?

Myself, I am a conservative Libertarian.

I'm a registered Independent. Ditto's on the rest.

People confuse the term conservative with republican though. Happens all the time.