Republican: the party of ignorance and greed?

reply to post by neo96

liberal policies since 1935 have been the root cause of this entire nations financial and social decline

Please read my above post closely and visit the linked sites......it's the Rep that took in less revenue while increasing spending, thus increasing the deficit. As for social decline, not sure what ya mean. Could you give examples?

reply to post by FallenWun


kitilani your back

word had you were banned

Originally posted by texastig

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
Are you aware that this argument is not used to debate philosophical discussions, but to justify the continued greed of Big Oil and other environment damaging industries which cause these ecological disasters and pollution? They make this argument so that we may continue to have thick smog over cities like Los Angeles where the air is considered to be toxic every day. We develop cancers from unclean air and holes in our ozone that we caused. We destroy ecosystems. This is fact and the evidence is all around us.

There is no greed of big oil. The government takes more taxes than the money oil companies get in selling oil.
I agree about smog over cities. We need to clean that up and other stuff. But humans are not causing "global" warming.

We have already cleaned up more smog than many other countries.
When I traveled to India I was shocked when I left the airport and the smell of smoke was thick in the air. I asked someone about it, and the response was...."people are buring things to stay warm". That is an exact quote. She never said what the "things" were, but it wasn't even oil. In the states you cannot even burn leaves openly. These people just burn whatever is around them in the street.

That was New Delhi. The country is cleaner and nicer.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by FallenWun

 

kitilani your back

word had you were banned

hahaha I thought her style was pretty similar. She has added some more content though...more insults.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by FallenWun

 

kitilani your back

word had you were banned

Was my question really too hard for you to answer? There was no insult. I just asked a question. Why do questions upset you so much?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Everything since the inception of the Dewey system has contributed to the downfall of the educational system. Progressives have especially injected their own values into education using values clarificaton.
Everythng is geared toward making children cogs in society, controlled by the State.

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All I asked was how much and for how long. I have asked it 4 times now. I am really sorry you do not understand my question but I honestly have no idea how to make it any more simple.

reply to post by mastahunta


The financial powers I align with? I am Tea Party and I align with people who oppose Big Govt, Statism, Totalitarianism, redistribution of income, excessive taxation without representation, Socialism, and crony capitalism.

Dear ATS Member Spiritual Zombie,

thank you for affording me the opportunity to post a rebuttal to the points you bring forward against those of us who prefer a Republic (Representatives of the Public) to a Democracy (Mob Rule). This is a most welcome occasion to represent the values and beliefs of those who you seem to have deeply rooted prejudice toward. May this exchange of ours be for the benefit of truth and wisdom for all involved.

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
From the denials of global warming and man's impact on the environment,

The impact of humans on the change of temperature on this our lovely planet is an item to consider. Nevertheless it is in of utmost importance to also include the impact of the Cosmos and Sun as well as Nature itself on our beautiful environment.

to their constant loyalty toward corporations and support for war in oil rich nations

In mankinds struggle for survival, we are a nation that has sought prosperity for its citizens. The wealth acquired affords you the opportunity to use the corporate-computer you are using just this moment, for example.

, blind nationalism, hatred and distrust of outsiders

Our interest in other cultures and countries is founded on a love of diversity rather than the impulse to make everyone the same. This need not be mistaken with hatred of outsiders. It is rather a deep appreciation of our differences and the will to maintain the integrity of other cultures so that they may enrich us with their uniqueness.

, while always saving judgement and cynicism for the poor, the needy, the sick

The poor have benefited from our wealth-building tremendously. In more socialist-oriented continents such as Africa, parts of South America, Russia, the poor do not benefit from the infrastructure and wealth built by Capitalism because everyone is equally poor. It is thanks to us that the poor find employment and can raise their families with some dignity.

Does the mainstream republican base rely solely on a mixture of ignorance and greed?

Rather than basing your political views on simple slogans of hatred and fear, try to learn the wider framework and long-term planning of those struggling to build civilization. May I recommend to you the study of History, Economy and Politics so that your line of argumentation is more grounded and balanced?

There is something extremely disturbing about this hive mentality.

The Republican emphasises the importance of the individual, the Democrat emphasises the importance of the collective, which, some might argue, has a greater potential to become hive minded.

I don't understand how any free-thinking, socially conscious person can embrace this twisted mentality?

A free-thinking person embraces pluralism. Pluralism is expressed by there being more than only one party or view as opposed to the Totalitarianism which accepts only one "correct" view.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
If you have read anything I posted (links I mean), it seems to be so with a mind to oppose everything I say. You cannot see what the Progressives are doing with education.
It is true what they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

I am not sure why you think what you are posting is so important. It has nothing to do with anything I have been discussing and I have pointed this out to you numerous times. You seem to be having a few conversations at once and are maybe confusing them.

You do not have to read anything at all. If you read anything that is the best I could hope for. I just suggested that instead of taking the tack that there has to be a defensive posture, just take the information in and mull it around with logic and reasoning. To do that, you would have to be open-minded enough to analyze it without a bias.
The control of education is really on both sides of the aisle, but the trend is Progressive.

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You are going off on your whole own other topic and for some reason think that in this thread I am supposed to be caring about the other topic you want to discuss. I really suggest you find someone that wants to discuss the topics you are aiming for and trying with them. If you cannot respond to me even slightly relating to what I am talking about then I do not understand the point of you responding to me at all.

Need a reminder what the thread title is?

reply to post by FallenWun


Are you back to the education thing? Im on the slavery issue today.

You are going off on your whole own other topic and for some reason think that in this thread I am supposed to be caring about the other topic you want to discuss. I really suggest you find someone that wants to discuss the topics you are aiming for and trying with them

You were talking about education remember? Just because you don't understand the undermining of education in this country does not make me off topic. The off-topic thing doesn't work when you use it to fend off people who are discussing a wide topic like the suggestion that Republlcans are ignorant.
You just don't want to hear about the Progressive agenda. It's that simple. So you plug your ears when I talk about values clarification. The facts speak for themselves.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by FallenWun

 

All this means is that you believe your opinion to be right, and the rest of our opinions worthless, so you must keep repeating it so that you can beat us over the head with it like a blunt instrument.

The only thing I have repeated have been the things you failed to understand. That has nothing to do with feelings of superiority. Since you are so kind as to take the time to respond to me at all, I feel it is kind of important that you understand me and so far you have been really having a hard time with that. Given the subject of the thread and all...kinda cute dontya think?

Repeating things can bring home a point, or it can be a useless effort at convincing someone your opinion means something.

Say Marxism again.

I have shown you what the Progressive agenda is in education and you refuse to accept that. OBE is more like a standard of measurement, and that's fine, but if you are measuring how much Progressive slop gets shoveled into the brain, what good is it? See what I mean?

Yeah but see the thing is what you said was that liberals have been destroying the education system since the beginning of the DOE. The only thing you seem to be able to come up with are a few minor anecdotes that neither make the case nor span the time.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by FallenWun

 

Also, in simplicity, the McGuffy readers were replaced by the Dick and Jane books

en.wikipedia.org...

Pick up any contemporary childs storybook and compare with something like Beatrix Potter.

Anyway, it's been a lively chat.

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OK, I feel like you are actually trying to convey a message with this post but looking at what you responded to and reading it over again does nothing to help.

I know a lot of people like to run around ATS and say they do not care what anyone else thinks but I can admit that I am on a discussion forum because I do care what other people think. I know how to maintain a diary. So given that, I would really like to understand what this was supposed to say to me. I was raised on Edgar Allen Poe myself so this is not an area I am all that familiar with. Are you suggesting a socialist agenda to dumb down children's books?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by FallenWun

 

Are you back to the education thing? Im on the slavery issue today.

Oh so you wrote that entire wall of posts to me but did not want me to read them if say, a whole day went by?

reply to post by FallenWun

Yeah but see the thing is what you said was that liberals have been destroying the education system since the beginning of the DOE. The only thing you seem to be able to come up with are a few minor anecdotes that neither make the case nor span the time.

I was just backing up what someone else said about the setting up of the DOE. My suggestion however, was to say that the inception of the DOE was Statist to begin with and that Republicans saw it even then as an imposition of the State. I also noted the timing of it as being concurrent with the worldwide trend of Marxism and the Communist Manifesto, which is entirely my own thought on it. I never heard anyone else say it, so you cannot say I am parroting Fox news or Michelle Bachmann.
I also suggested that the Carter Admin put the DOE back into play in a big way.
I also pointed out that the Secret Society of Skull and Bones sought to control education and posted a link to the works of Antony Sutton on the subject.
I posted material from the conservative Eagle Forum founded by Phyllis Schlafly on the subject of the NEA. I posted material showing that the NEA which stands for National Teachers Association, the largest Teachers Union in the States, has a clearly Progressive agenda which neatly dovetails the agenda of Democrats today, including then Senator Barack Obama, who is clearly a Progressive with a leftist agenda.
I posted on values clarification, which is a system devised to separate children from their parents values, and the argument was that children need to "clarify" their own values by separating from their parents "fog of confusion" to use nany pelosi's term. What really happens is that the values which the State has defined for the child in it's classes is promoted, and the child is left to try to figure out for himself if the State of his parents are right. This creates a chasm between the child and his own parents, replacing the parental authority and guidance with that of the State.
I posted how the Dewey system replaced earlier forms of education. I showed how Dewey was for Statism. I showed how he was opposed to even the Montessori method which deals mostly with pre-school pedagogy.
There, that sums it up for those who didn't go through all the posts from last night.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
You are saying I am ignorant of my native tongue?

Yes.

Where do you get that?

This post where you erroneously claimed I "suggested" something I never said. It is just one more example of you getting things wrong and it is either because you are making things up or do not understand the words you use. You tell me which it is. Each time you make one of these claims, I ask you to back it up and you just get defensive and shift to something else. I honestly feel you have a tough time with some words and "suggested" seems to be one of them.

You are really grasping at straws here to continue your argument that "my kind" and I are ignorant, which you must take as uneducated,

No, those are two different words because they are two different things.

but you did say that ignorance and stupidity were not the same thing, and I agreed with you and said you were right, then proceeded to explain why ignorance was not equal to stupidity, but somehow you did not get that and you mixed it all up.

Um...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You said you agreed with me that ignorance was ignoring and I never said any such thing. Then you went on a lengthy nonsensical rant in response to my asking how you could agree with me on something I never said.

Knowing what ignorance means is really kind of key to making any sense in this thread. It is not ignoring and I never said it was.

Yes, you are right, ignorance is IGNORING something.

See what you actually said?

You are working very hard at dismissing anyone who disagrees with your opinion.

Not at all. If you actually look, there is really only about 3 of you that disagree with and seem worth dismissing. Most others I listen to and discuss with. But um...see I have not dismissed anything relevant you have provided. What I have done is ask why you are tossing things at me that have nothing to do with anything.

I have practically given you a thesis and you respond with ridicule.
Some people are simply best left to their own devices.

If it were on the correct topic, it would probably matter more.

Come on, how can you guys even pretend like it is not true. Right here in this thread the word "intellectuals" was used as an insult. You could hardly do a better job making the OPs point for him or her.

reply to post by FallenWun


What did any of that have to do with my native tongue? Honestly, I don't care who you think is worth dismissing. It's just more of your own opinion and I am posting facts about the educational system complete with links and citations.
I signed off last night with the intent not to go back into that discussion and you are still dredging it all up with more attacks on my character. Your posting style is exactly like another poster who seems to have been banned. Are you that one?
How do you feel about Sarah Palin saying that Obama and his admin are engaged in crony capitalism?

reply to post by spiritualzombie


We can spend all of eternity analyzing both the left and right. But in the end, are you going to feel like you accomplished anything with all your rhetoric? You really need to free yourself bubb. You're going to end up having a nervous break down otherwise.

If you really want to make the difference, I suggest you get out and vote when the time comes. I am pushing for Ron Paul. (That's just my opinion of course). And one more thing...Instead of ripping the republicans apart, why don't you be productive, and come up with a thread on who you believe to be the right candidate come 2012. Giving your opinion might give others a better understanding, and maybe open their eyes to other contenders running for the potus.

Originally posted by Connector
reply to post by neo96

 

liberal policies since 1935 have been the root cause of this entire nations financial and social decline

Please read my above post closely and visit the linked sites......it's the Rep that took in less revenue while increasing spending, thus increasing the deficit. As for social decline, not sure what ya mean. Could you give examples?

You do know that Democrats controlled Congress for like 40 straight years and it is Congress that sets the budget right and deals with money?

Originally posted by spiritualzombie

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by spiritualzombie

 

Yes, I will deny ignorance.

Yours.

Thanks.

And again, another Republicans are Evil thread?

Come on. You must be looking for some stars and flags.

Is it evil to be a party that denies logic and reason? To even vilify science while wholly embracing corporations? I consider these things to be a combination of ignorance and greed. The hive-like mentality indicates this is a widespread trait and even a prerequisite to being Republican. And right now, your inability to face the question honestly, and without spin, has placed your own ignorance on full display.

I understand it's uncomfortable to be shown when you are wrong, and the natural reaction is to be defensive. I would really like if we could honestly discuss this ignorance requirement and why it has become so prevalant in the Republican party.

So tell me....Do you thing the democrats are any better...?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
See, this is an example of someone who is so busy laughing her ass off at what she considers another persons stupidity, that she does not bother to check things carefully.

Not at all. What is funny is the arrogance that accompanies the ignorance. I have never called you stupid but you keep using that word in regard to your own posts while projecting it onto me. Do not be so hard on yourself.

Oh and I checked even more carefully than you did.

I posted the link confirming that wikipedia states that the Dept of Ed started in 79, then proceeded to post a segment which did say that an earlier version started sooner. The Dept of Ed as we know it started in 79. Let's just say, the later incarnation of it metasticized the role of govt in education.

And I pointed out that Wikipedia is not a source. Unless you are IGNORANT of what a source is, I am not sure why you would return with that as your backup.

Either way, Republicans opposed it as an overstepping of the bounds of the State. Considering the time frame, the implementation of it could even have had a corelation to the writing of the Communist Manifesto in 1848, as it would have been only 12 years later. Just a thought.

Coulda woulda shoulda. Here is how you actually check carefully. You check for an actual source. Luckily wikipedia has citations. So from your "source's" actual source we find...

Many are under the impression that the Department of Education was first created in 1979. That is not true. The first Department of Education was established on March 2, 1867 (14 Stat. 434). However, it did not have a secretary at its helm like other departments (e.g., the Department of War.) Instead, it had a commissioner.

And if you actually understood your "source" you would clearly see that Carter did not create anything, he signed a bill re designating it. Way to deny ignorance my friend.

You would honestly think that of all threads, the ATS right would at least try to display as little ignorance as possible.

And by the way, screaming at me with all big caps is not going to change anythingor make people think you know more than anyone else here.

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So with that I bid you adieu.

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Actually it is just that I noticed what a hard time you are having understanding my plain English so sometimes I make certain words stand out so that maybe you can at least grasp the main ideas. I am just trying to help. If you take it as screaming then there is definitely something wrong with your computer unless I am ignorant as to what screaming actually is.

Can you really hear me?