An Ancient Connection? Aboriginal Rock Art and Holes in Peru

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Trolling doth not become you. Can you not see the joy of the work itself and search out your own connections?

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Forget a connection with Peru!

Concentrate on why most, if not all of these pictures have what appears to be Alien life in them.

Seriously amazing stuff, and i am from Australia - never seen any of these pictures my whole life... never really went searching but to tell the truth.
As someone stated earlier, all the knowledge would be lost for sure, there would be a handful of elders still living off the land that might want to pass the information onto younger generations of Aboriginal children BUT
Todays aboriginal youth are into high amounts of drug ( mainly sniffing petrol) and alcohol abuse, most aboriginals don't complete high school and end up in jail quite frequently.

If anyone cared to look it up, Australias history is actually quite sad.

We blatantly stole land from Aboriginals, some parts of Australia are owned by Aboriginals, i am from the northcoast of NSW - there are plenty of protected parks from different tribes, the Bundjalung being the main ones.

Dunno where i was goin with that lol but think about the possibilities that Aboriginals did in fact have contact with Alien life - just seriously blows my mind.

Sorry so much grammatical errors in that post, really tired

Great post that has made me want to look more into the history of our true owners of one of the greatest nations.

S+F

ALSO

Picture #4 ( Tall creatures with spiky hair and claws) reminds me so much of an Australian Yowie.

I have heard story's of Yowies in deep dense bushland of Australia, Yowies are Austalias version of a Yeti.

www.yowiehunters.com...

Check em out at link above


Peace.

Originally posted by MrSpiderMonkey
Well done.

I coencidently read an article on the BBC's website this morning about aborinal people's DNA being traced back. They were the first people to move out of Africa over 70 thousand years ago. They were pioneers and were able to pretty much walk the whole way as the coast line was different.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Aboriginals these days can identify mountains that have been under the sear for thousands of years as stories of them have been constantly passed down from generation to generation. One can only imagine the things they saw and how their dreamtime first started.

Its a shame that now a lot of them have been forced out of their natrual habbitat and made to live as westerners. Alot of the are second class citizens now living in the white man's world and a lot of them have turned to abusing drink and drugs.

I apologise on behalf of my British ancestors for what we have done to the Aboriginal and all native peoples of this world.

edit on 23-9-2011 by MrSpiderMonkey because: (no reason given)

Very nice response I seen that myself on the bbc amazing and I to am sorry for the part our ancestors played.

reply to post by Tsurugi
-applaudes-
Intresting, well presented first thread, factual & not too sceptical on the Ancient Aliens theory. Some of the photographs presented are food for thought, I remember seeing some over the years but never with them all together. I am not too educated as regards to the history of the Aboriginal people but something has always struck me about them; they are a great people, ancient & wise in spiritual ways that would be benificial for most people to learn. However as another poster stated their people have a lot of problems, as do Native Americans, it is such a shame that the secrets, teachings & belifes of these people are only known to the minority.

I am British also and wish to state my shame in what our people did to the Aboriginals & a whole lot of other civilizations around the globe in the not too distant past, my head hangs in shame but raises a enough to learn from the peoples that my ancestors tried to manipulate, con, enslave & destroy.

S&F for you for a great opening post, I will read more of from you in the future, I hope you survive the weekend & are able to return to your thread with computer & faculties intact.

reply to post by MrSpiderMonkey
I too read the BBC information & it is interesting, the timing of the OP to release this thread coincidentialy helped to make their first thread front page, and deserved too I say as this is an interesting thread.

I must also offer my apologies to all of the civilizations that our ancestors, used, stole from, murdred, abused, enslaved & almost destroyed, I applaud you for apologising for our past too. All that we can do as one united human race is to learn from past mistakes & not allow anything like that to happen again. There will always be individauls, organizations & governments opposed to the truth outing but we will be victorious in the end, the power of the people has within it the power to topple any regime, all we have to do is set aside our differences and unite.

"Power to the people" as John Lennon so greatly sang

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Nice posts! Just thought I'd chime in my support for the thoughts on humanity's past and future..

All the best,


FITO.

Great post! I had read some of it this morning, and just now was reading this on NYT.com, which made me think some more about your informative, quality and lengthy(!)post. Hope some of you will find this interesting.
Australian Aborigine Hair Tells a Story of Human Migration
Anyway, outside the main theme of the article, there were some observations of the aborigines which cause the researchers some confusion.

The Aborigine occupation of Australia presents a series of puzzles, starting with the nature of their stone tools. The early stone tools found in Australia are much simpler than the Upper Paleolithic tools that appear in Europe at the same era. “I don’t understand why they looked so primitive,” said Richard Klein, a paleoanthropologist at Stanford University.

Primitive as the tools may be, the first inhabitants of Australia must have possessed advanced boat-building technology to cross from the nearest point in Asia to Sahul, the ancient continent that included Australia, New Guinea and Tasmania until the rise of sea level that occurred at the end of the last ice age, 10,000 years ago. But there is no archaeological evidence for boats, Dr. Klein said.

and

Despite the Aborigines’ genetic isolation, there is evidence of some profound cultural exchange that occurred around 6,000 years ago. The stone tools become more sophisticated, and the population increased. Aborigines did not domesticate plants or animals, but a wild dog, the dingo, first appears in the archaeological record at this time. Researchers led by Peter Savolainen of the Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm reported this month in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B that they had traced the spread of the dingo across the islands of the Pacific by analyzing ancient DNA in the bones of Polynesian dogs.

The dingo originated on the Asian mainland and became part of the Polynesian domestic menagerie along with the pig, the chicken and the rat. This ensemble had reached New Zealand by A.D. 1250. How the dingo arrived in Australia is an “enigma,” Dr. Savolainen writes, because none of the other elements of Polynesian culture are found there.

Even stranger, dogs always travel with their masters, yet there is no sign yet of Polynesian genes in the Aborigine population.

“Something remarkable happened in Australia 6,000 to 4,000 years ago, and it involved much more than the dingo,” Dr. Klein said.

What happened 4000-6000 years ago, Dr. Klein? I'd really love to know his theory, as this statement implies that he must. I guess he'd be laughed out of the "scientific community" if he did.

Originally posted by ErgoTheConfusion
Thank you very much for this post!

Originally posted by Tsurugi
Another aspect of the Dreaming that confuses me is that the history of it seems to imply that the Aborigines predate the creation part; somehow their ancestors were witness to the emptiness of the land. And yet the teachings of the Dreaming also say:

"It was during the Dreamtime that the creators made men and women, decreed the laws which all must obey - their behavior to one another, the customs of food distribution, the rules of marriage, the rituals of initiation and the ceremonies of death which must be performed so that the spirit of the dead would travel peacefully to his or her spirit-place.

...which leaves me stumped.

The way I interpret this is their consciousness/awareness was "open" during the void, but they were not yet men/women. They were pure spirit/dreaming minds who were within the "space" that was built up around them for them to inhabit, including the Man/Woman bodies.

Namaste!

Ah yes. Interesting interpretation, thank you. Spiritual philosophy is not my strong point, which is probably why I get stumped by stuff like this, hehe.

Originally posted by abeverage
Although I am thankful for more information about the Uluru and the aborigines, I am failing to grasp the connection with Peru?

Yep, that seems to be the general consensus.

Did I miss something? Now if you had superimposed the holes over the image and it was a match I would be stumped and award you a flag and star. But you all you succeeded in doing was increasing my knowledge of facts that are mysterious (which is not an insult). And I have forgotten about the band of holes.

Perhaps I should have worked a little harder to explain why I saw a possible connection...not that it is exactly a "defensible" position, haha.

I guess I assumed(wrongly, obviously) that people understood the "representational" aspect of artwork. A "stickman" is a "representation" of a human that is widely recognized. Superimposing a "stickman" onto a photograph of a human would not result in an exact match, however. That does not mean that, upon encountering a stickman scratched into a rock, a person should scoff at the notion that it does, perhaps, represent a human.

If I could still edit my OP posts to add this, I would. I should have included it in the first place. Live and learn, as the saying goes.

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
Well written and presented post but i cant say i see the connection.

You are in agreement with most everyone else responding.

Also i have a sneaky suspicion this is not your first ATS account. Cant quite put my finger on it but your writing style seems familiar somehow.

Dunno what to say to this

Anywho welcome or welcome back either way.

Thanks

lol this made the front page?

must be a slow news day

I agree, but.....ouch.

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I am not a troll. And I do think there are connections in the ancient world but this is not one. Next time I will state that with less sarcasm to avoid the troll references...

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
I salute you, your writing style, your sense of adventure, your innate love of the mysteries (which shines through as clear as sunlight) and the child-like joy with which you celebrate humanity.

May the ancients shine down on you and your work. Awe-inspiring work, thank-you.

Well that makes me feel good; thank you sir!

Originally posted by colin42
Does anyone know what the figure from the cave drawing is meant to represent?

I searched long and hard for some kind of explanation, or even a photograph of the actual piece of art, to no avail. If someone else can find something, please post it! I am very interested.

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Wow.

Give me some time to read/digest this, and I will attempt to return with a somewhat intelligent response.

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TsurugiI I got where you getting to, just the connection was not there for me.

Now Toro Muerto...




And the wandjinas

I see a connection...

Originally posted by steveknows
My point is be careful in what you connect if the myth is far from the fact.

I generally follow the idea that each myth contains a grain of truth. In the case of the aborigines, many of their stories(myths) correspond with archaeological data.

Here is an example, where a university student pursuing a PhD in Astrophysics discovers a crater by following clues in a Dreamtime story.
There are other examples like this that I came across in my research, some having to do with lake formations, etc.

So it seems the myth may not actually be "far from the fact" in this case.

Originally posted by lavenlaar
S&F for you on a well thought out thread, but I sort of left scratching my head also... like there was no conclusion.

I am beginning to realize I should have made myself more clear on my intentions, haha...I said at the beginning of the OP that this was an absurd idea that wouldn't leave me alone, and I intended to draw no conclusions but instead indicate the possibility of a connection, and then leave it at that for ATS readers to discuss, destroy, etc.

Being an Aussie,this I read - and did some quick searches for George Grey and couldnt find any more. But upon looking at the image ... I just thought that at quick glance was the typical Aboriginal rock painting, until the 'being' is wearing clothes. Clothing was not introduced to the Aborigines until the settlement of British ...

Great find there mate

That had not occurred to me at all! Thank you very much for pointing that out....I wish I would have included that in the OP.

Originally posted by blazenresearcher
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hmmm...evil greedy capitalist pigdog? Nice!

Not sure how to take this....so I guess I won't.

reply to post by Edgecrusher26

Forget a connection with Peru!

Concentrate on why most, if not all of these pictures have what appears to be Alien life in them.

Indeed that is one of the reasons I chose to included these in the OP...but I promised, at the beginning, not to try and argue the "Ancient Alien" stuff, as I had figured that subject has been discussed in detail on ATS before.

I may have made a mistake in avoiding directly arguing that subject however...many people seem to be confused as to how I saw any possible "connection," and that may be partially due to my avoidance of this angle. I figured it would be implicit in the nature of the post...I guess being "subtle" is not one of my strong points as a writer.

Originally posted by daggyz
Old ancient peruvian saying is "If you venture too far out on a linb, it is likely to break".

There's also an old saying--don't know its origins--that goes something like: "Nothing ventured, nothing gained."