Roll over Einstein: Pillar of physics challenged

reply to post by BlackPoison94


or it means we bent space time, which means everything we know is true, but space as free radicals that we can make ftl ships out of.

Id much more hope that the laws are still true and this little particle can do that, because it makes everything better.

"Sorry, we're closed."

A neutrino walks into a bar...

Originally posted by NewsWorthy
A neutron walked into a bar and asked, "How much for a drink?" The bartender replied, "For you, no charge."

Two protons were sitting in the corner.

One turns to the other and says, “Hey, that neutron got a free beer!”

The other replies, “Are you positive?!”



(sorry if someone beat me to it, but I didn't wana read all the pages to see!)

reply to post by Gorman91


Some people think that there are indeed space-time grains...am I right to think you're considering them as the the free radicals then?

But yeah, we assume that the speed of light is constant, by changing that...that means the results gained aren't going to be correct. Maybe possibly, those equations will break down when we go onto the smaller scales of our universe...therefore in our practical world, won't make a difference.

reply to post by BlackPoison94


In theory, light should dissolve into space time. In theory of course. Everything decays. But that's a contradiction to the fact that nothing can be destroyed. You cannot decay indefinably without eventual destruction.

One of those little paradoxes not yet solved.

Space time can be manipulated in high energy sums, but we have no idea of manipulating space time's "pixels" beyond shooting photons at it.

Who knows. Maybe we just found out.

Originally posted by Shenron
I thought it was widely known for years, that only particles that contain information can't travel faster than the speed of light? So this new find is kind of a proof that other particles can travel faster, but since they are operating with tiny particles, at subatomic levels, it really doesn't help us out much practically. At this point I wouldn't even dream of warping normal objects, or anything of that kind

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Sorry, error: Information could also be transported in modulation - like the Morse-code. And according to Einstein, Information can't be faster than light.

So, even neutrinos could transport information.

Either its "faster than light" = Einstein was wrong or "error in measurement" = Einstein was right (till proven incorrect, as usual for theories).

Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by jonco6

 

Boredom will do that to you.
I spent 8 years trying to work out an alternative to Relativity. Then, I learned just how powerful Relativity is, and how consistent with observation its mathematical foundation truly is. Once I realized this, I stopped questioning it. I work under the assumption that Relativity is at least a working superficial model, and I will do so until that model is shown to be wrong in some way...if that ever happens.

edit on 23-9-2011 by CLPrime because: (no reason given)

Dude. You ain't seen nothin yet.
Tommy bearden talks even about c squared speeds.
Einstein remains vindicated though, he came out with his hypotheses nearly a 100 years ago

Originally posted by Angelic Resurrection
Dude. You ain't seen nothin yet.
Tommy bearden talks even about c squared speeds.

I'll add that to the list of nonsensical babblings that Bearden talks about that I ain't seen, along with the reason he needs $10 million to make another version of this $150 breadboard, that he's already made:

www.cheniere.org...
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The measurements of neutrino speeds referenced int his thread are so close to the speed of light that if they do break c (which I doubt) it's only by a hair.

This was shown to possible by Nikola Tesla over 100 years ago, they are a bit late to say it now.

Look here in this link below, towards the bottom of the page. Mainly the explanations to do with figure 81 and figure 82.

www.tfcbooks.com...

Tesla states the true velocity through space is the speed of light, but currents can flow faster.

There is another difference. The electromagnetic energy travels with the speed of light, but see how the current flows. At the first moment, this current propagates exactly like the shadow of the moon at the earth's surface. It starts with infinite velocity from that point, but its speed rapidly diminishes; it flows slower and slower until it reaches the equator, 6,000 miles from the transmitter. At that point, the current flows with the speed of light -- that is, 300,000 kilometers per second. But, if you consider the resultant current through the globe along the axis of symmetry of propagation, the resultant current flows continuously with the same velocity of light.

The guys at CERN are way too late, and Einstein was wrong and probably a lier.

Cheers

Originally posted by Toecutter.

www.tfcbooks.com...

Tesla states the true velocity through space is the speed of light, but currents can flow faster.


The guys at CERN are way too late, and Einstein was wrong and probably a lier.

Cheers

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fascinating that Tesla found out about it before everyone else.

but i would'nt call Einstein a lier, maybe wrong but not a lier ... he perceived his theory as correct.

Originally posted by Toecutter.
This was shown to possible by Nikola Tesla over 100 years ago, they are a bit late to say it now.

Look here in this link below, towards the bottom of the page. Mainly the explanations to do with figure 81 and figure 82.

www.tfcbooks.com...

Tesla states the true velocity through space is the speed of light, but currents can flow faster.

There is another difference. The electromagnetic energy travels with the speed of light, but see how the current flows. At the first moment, this current propagates exactly like the shadow of the moon at the earth's surface. It starts with infinite velocity from that point, but its speed rapidly diminishes; it flows slower and slower until it reaches the equator, 6,000 miles from the transmitter. At that point, the current flows with the speed of light -- that is, 300,000 kilometers per second. But, if you consider the resultant current through the globe along the axis of symmetry of propagation, the resultant current flows continuously with the same velocity of light.

The guys at CERN are way too late, and Einstein was wrong and probably a lier.

Cheers

What does he mean by "current" - the drift velocity of electrons in an electrical conductor? It's constrained by the strength of electrical current. Usually about 1 mm/s for up to 100 A.
Or does he speak of the moon-shadow? Well, even a shadow doesn't move with infinite speed, or expressed as speed of information: it couldn't deliver information about whatever you want faster than the speed of light (in vacuum).

Edit: the speed of the current flow (i flip the switch - how long does it take to light up the bulb?) is constrained by the speed of the emerging electric field in the conductor. About lightspeed. Not faster.


Edit: Please don't call Einstein a liar. He may be wrong, but I'm 100% sure that he didn't intentionally lied in his theories.

Imagine if Einstein had access to the technology of today....

what discoveries he might have made.

Originally posted by ManFromEurope

Originally posted by Toecutter.
This was shown to possible by Nikola Tesla over 100 years ago, they are a bit late to say it now.

Look here in this link below, towards the bottom of the page. Mainly the explanations to do with figure 81 and figure 82.

www.tfcbooks.com...

Tesla states the true velocity through space is the speed of light, but currents can flow faster.

There is another difference. The electromagnetic energy travels with the speed of light, but see how the current flows. At the first moment, this current propagates exactly like the shadow of the moon at the earth's surface. It starts with infinite velocity from that point, but its speed rapidly diminishes; it flows slower and slower until it reaches the equator, 6,000 miles from the transmitter. At that point, the current flows with the speed of light -- that is, 300,000 kilometers per second. But, if you consider the resultant current through the globe along the axis of symmetry of propagation, the resultant current flows continuously with the same velocity of light.

The guys at CERN are way too late, and Einstein was wrong and probably a lier.

Cheers

What does he mean by "current" - the drift velocity of electrons in an electrical conductor? It's constrained by the strength of electrical current. Usually about 1 mm/s for up to 100 A.
Or does he speak of the moon-shadow? Well, even a shadow doesn't move with infinite speed, or expressed as speed of information: it couldn't deliver information about whatever you want faster than the speed of light (in vacuum).

Edit: the speed of the current flow (i flip the switch - how long does it take to light up the bulb?) is constrained by the speed of the emerging electric field in the conductor. About lightspeed. Not faster.

edit on 23-9-2011 by ManFromEurope because: (no reason given)

Edit: Please don't call Einstein a liar. He may be wrong, but I'm 100% sure that he didn't intentionally lied in his theories.

edit on 23-9-2011 by ManFromEurope because: (no reason given)

Ok you're right, "lier" is probably too strong a word and I have no proof to back that up so I appologise and retract that statement.

However it does seem as though Einsteins work has done more to hold back mankind from where we should be than has the work of any other.

The evidence is there if we look. These modern scientists prove more and more that Tesla and Crookes and others were right and correct. There is an Aether, and space is not a vacuum, ZPE all the same subject or thing really and all true.

Cheers

Originally posted by mishigas
Imagine if Einstein had access to the technology of today....

what discoveries he might have made.

Imagine if we all thought with the logic and clarity that Tesla thought with.

We do have the technology of today.

Originally posted by Toecutter.
This was shown to possible by Nikola Tesla over 100 years ago, they are a bit late to say it now.

Look here in this link below, towards the bottom of the page. Mainly the explanations to do with figure 81 and figure 82.

www.tfcbooks.com...

Tesla states the true velocity through space is the speed of light, but currents can flow faster.

There is another difference. The electromagnetic energy travels with the speed of light, but see how the current flows. At the first moment, this current propagates exactly like the shadow of the moon at the earth's surface. It starts with infinite velocity from that point, but its speed rapidly diminishes; it flows slower and slower until it reaches the equator, 6,000 miles from the transmitter. At that point, the current flows with the speed of light -- that is, 300,000 kilometers per second. But, if you consider the resultant current through the globe along the axis of symmetry of propagation, the resultant current flows continuously with the same velocity of light.

The guys at CERN are way too late, and Einstein was wrong and probably a lier.

Cheers

“Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments. The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine.”

Hey guys , i have been trying to search around google for the answer to this question.

I was just wondering , if this turns out to become a Theory in some way , how would this change the world around us? Would / could it have an effect on our daily lifes through technology in the future?

Can we financially afford this new particle to be used in technology or would it take decades or a century to develope the technology for this particle even to matter?

Would this change anything in dealing with algorithms in theoretical physics?

Or would this particle simply be a substance that travels faster than the speed of light?

Is this particle the hypothetical particle called "Tachyon"?

How much would this particles ability nullify our accepted physics?

THIS revelation is henceforth going to be my defacto answer to any of the shorthsighted, terminally unimaginative, or broomstick / textbook up the backside amongst you who continually argue in circles that ET's coming here, Free / alternative energy, exotic theories are all totally impossible, due to the 'laws of physics'.

The law is an ass..and we have been held back due to the arrogance of those who have strived, not in the name of science and progress and betterment of fellow humanity and our world, but strived in the name of the almighty status quo, and the funding that results from toeing the 'official line' for decades.

The majority of so called 'experts' have been particularly expert at demonstrating intellectual cowardice.

60ns faster than the 'impossible'...within a 10ns margin for error, so at the very least, 50ns faster...and surprise, surprise, no infinite energy was required to achieve it.

Impossible...isn't, and never has been, the only limiting factor in this entire existence is human imagination and courage to pursue unorthodox thinking and experimentation.

reply to post by milkyway12


Okay, if the detection is flawless, we have several difficult problems.
First, we run into the whole "reaction following action"-mess. If we mess this up, there would be serious problems with space/time as we know it.

Sure, 50 ns over a trip of 6.000 km ain't a broken leg - but how large could we span this time-difference? Could we reach a point where we detect neutrinos from 2 days in the future? "Hey, we detected something from you guys in CERN." "What? No, we wouldn't do another run for this week, it's scheduled for monday!" "uh-oh..."

Funny.

But what would happen? How about "Let's see, what happens if we close CERN on monday, so that there is no signal-production." - what would happen? Would it be impossible to interefere with the transmission or would space itself unravel it because of natures reluctance to paradoces? Wow... Creppy, isn't it?

reply to post by ManFromEurope


Are you saying...in essence, that the signal sent was (or according to 'theory/doctrine') or should have been received 50ms before it was sent?

These results are preliminary and should not have been made public yet. Another physicist there suspects the results may be because the way neutrinos are generated at CERN can effect the timing. He also pointed out there is a lot of evidence collected by astrophysicists that suggests neutrinos behave just as they are suposed to.

There will be a seminar today 9:00AM at CERN to discuss the results and it will be broadcast live from:

webcast.cern.ch...

No guarantees how much sense it will make to a non-physicist but I'm going to try and watch it in hopes a layman can glean something useful from it.