Occupy Wall St. Video of violent arrests today 9/20

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I DO need citations from you for your sweeping allegations that the US is responsible for all the world's poor and suffering. As I have said, we are the biggest financial donors to the UN. Google it.
If you want to argue that DeBeers hurts South Africans because of it's diamond industry, DeBeers is not America.
Wikipedia says that DeBeers was financed by Rothschilds and sold out to JP Morgan

The company was founded by Cecil Rhodes, who was financed by N M Rothschild & Sons.[2] In 1927, Ernest Oppenheimer, a German Jewish immigrant who had earlier founded mining giant Anglo American PLC with American financier J.P. Morgan,[3] managed to wrest control of the empire,

en.wikipedia.org...

I have said before that I have studied Antony Sutton's writings and of course JP Morgan is implicated in the financial domination of the market. I never said they weren't. I have peppered my posts with remarks about the Rothschilds as well, though not as much as discussion of Soros. But then as conspiracy theories go, the Rothschilds are the bloodline behind Soros.
I have discussed many times the wealthy elite domination of the world and you will not find argument with me over that. My problem is people who believe socialism to be the solution.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by UniverSoul

 

I DO need citations from you for your sweeping allegations that the US is responsible for all the world's poor and suffering. As I have said, we are the biggest financial donors to the UN. Google it.
If you want to argue that DeBeers hurts South Africans because of it's diamond industry, DeBeers is not America.
Wikipedia says that DeBeers was financed by Rothschilds and sold out to JP Morgan

The company was founded by Cecil Rhodes, who was financed by N M Rothschild & Sons.[2] In 1927, Ernest Oppenheimer, a German Jewish immigrant who had earlier founded mining giant Anglo American PLC with American financier J.P. Morgan,[3] managed to wrest control of the empire,

en.wikipedia.org...

I have said before that I have studied Antony Sutton's writings and of course JP Morgan is implicated in the financial domination of the market. I never said they weren't. I have peppered my posts with remarks about the Rothschilds as well, though not as much as discussion of Soros. But then as conspiracy theories go, the Rothschilds are the bloodline behind Soros.
I have discussed many times the wealthy elite domination of the world and you will not find argument with me over that. My problem is people who believe socialism to be the solution.

edit on 21-9-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

no not just the us, there are a select few of countries that are very rich compared to some nations in africa, asia, south america, the middle east, europe.
the un does f all to be fair, the reality is we control enough money to easily take them out of poverty.
ok diamond sales? thats rather here nor there.
most of the extremely rich who have the control all have the same pocket.

not socialism, i cant believe your going to sit while this stuff is happening. you people are the real terrorist.

reply to post by UniverSoul


What I hear you telling me is that I am somehow responsible for the DeBeers diamond monopoly, or that I am ruining people's lives with BP Oil(another Rothschilds enterprise), or even the Rockefeller empire(who financed the Bolsheviks and also Margaret Sanger). What I hear you telling me is that I am somehow responsible for the poverty of someone in Somalia because I own a big screen tv and a car. Telling me I don't know finance doesn't cut it. I fail to see how my owning a big screen tv and an SUV has deprived some person in Somalia.

But I bet you didn't know this about the diamond trade

Trading of rough diamonds takes place through the Diamond Trading Company via wholly owned and joint venture operations in South Africa (DTCSA), Botswana (DTCB), Namibia (NDTC) and the United Kingdom (DTC). The various DTCs sort, value and sell approximately 40%[26] of the world's rough diamonds by value.

De Beers Investments is the privately held, ownership company of De Beers Société Anonyme (DBSA), and is registered in Luxembourg. It is made up of three shareholdings: Anglo American plc has a 45% shareholding, Central Holdings (the Oppenheimer family) has a 40% shareholding, and the Government of the Republic of Botswana owns 15% directly. De Beers Societe Anonyme (DBSA) is the management company of the De Beers group.[28]

en.wikipedia.org...

So much for America's monopoly over the suffering of the rest of the world. Ok so now you want to say it's Western nations, because you know already that other nations have corporate businesses worldwide. The African diamond trading really shows that people who complain about the western world are not always correct in their assessment of things.

In fact DeBeers purchased the mines. Some nations do not allow foreigners to purchase land. I will not defend DeBeers any more than I have to, as they do have a monopoly.
While human rights organizations are trying to bring to light the alleged child labor in places like Africa and India, there is so much abject poverty, that the lack of presence of such diamond mines might represent jobs that did not come to those places. You can argue that corporations do not pay people high enough to do such work. One can also argue that if there were no wealthy people, there would be no one to buy these gems at the high prices they bring. Thus demand relates to supply. Another way that demand increases wealth for these people is the cottage industries which have sprung up. I have seen bracelets and scarves at Whole Foods stores which are made by these cottage industries and imported. If I buy one they get paid.
So, maybe I'm not as ignorant about economics as people keep trying to indicate.

reply to post by UniverSoul


We have enough money to take all these people out of poverty? really? Should I just send my whole paycheck to India? Again, you are going on about more socialist redistribution schemes and trying to blame the western world for the rest of the world's ills.
Try again.

reply to post by UniverSoul

not socialism, i cant believe your going to sit while this stuff is happening. you people are the real terrorist.

Now you are calling me terrorist because I haven't stopped De Beers from doing business? Are you out of your gourd? You are way over the line now buddy. I'm done being reasonable with you. You have been fed a real piece of propaganda and now blaming me and calling me a terrorist. Your whole argument is fallacious to begin with.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Oh hahaha you really joined ATS just to give me a good dressing down on my "propagandist" posts? Well, I have been told by various ppl that communism no longer exists. I beg to differ. You can call it communism, globalism, socialism, demorcratic socialism, totalitarianism, fascism, or corporatism, I care not. The point of all my posts is that the NWO wants to institute a top down bottom up One World Govt. If you think it's not after the communist model, I would like you to explain how it is that some person on top gets to take my paycheck and dispense with it is he or she likes and I have to just suck it up because that person has convinced a whole lot of people that it's for the common good? What I fight is the concept that capitalism is bad or evil because of corporatism. It is usually socialists or yes hard core communists that say this.
Yes Anita Dunn is a Maoist communist and Van Jones Im not sure maybe a garden variety ex-con communist, take your pick they are there.
I'm flattered that I have induced you to join, and maybe ATS will thank me for it. [/quote


Communism exists, but it is not a mainstream force in America... I have never met a communist, not that
I know of at least, Communism is shunned and hated in America for the most part. I think what you fail
to recognize is that this same QUITE COMMIE (i think thats what its called) narrative is used all
over the world to motivate an electorate to feel threatened

"The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. (blank) is threatening us with her might, and the Republic is in danger. Yes - danger from within and without..."

I don't think capitalism is bad, what is bad is that corporatism can hide in full view because "capitalists"
tend to defend anything that founded in business. Therefore the corporatists go unopposed because
right wingers are convinced that business cannot breed corruption, the lefties are opposed by the right wingers
so the business born corruption gets a pass.

Anita Dunn and Vann Jones are so threatening, I have know idea who they are and I lean a bit left.

Ask if I know Monsanto?

Thanks for convincing me to join...

Can anything change your perspective?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


your clearly not willing to have a proper conversation so dont say anything
your embarassing yourself

reply to post by mastahunta


Ok just a quick thing here, when you reply, make sure that the quote text at the end of my post doesn't go at the end of your reply. You can clean that up pronto by moving that quote text back to where it belongs.

Now, I am going to say once more, you can call it communism or you can call it globalism. People used to tell me communism was dead, and it may not be "mainstream" as you say, but the fact is that hard core communists went underground so as not to bring too much attention to themselves. I can tell you, with citations if you like, that even the feminist Betty Friedan, who wrote "The Feminine Mystique", was a communist, and used her book to spread communist ideals through the feminist movement, to recruit women by pretending to espouse their issues.

The fact that there are Van Joneses and Anita Dunns running amok in the WH with literally no election of them shows that there is an underground of communist subversion. Socialism is just a bridge. How many times do I have to say it.

Originally posted by UniverSoul
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

your clearly not willing to have a proper conversation so dont say anything
your embarassing yourself

Oh wait, you just called me a terrorist and I'm the one being unreasonable here? Strange thinking my friend.

Last Warning!!

This thread may have run its course.
Please post on topic, the thread is not about DeBeers or diamonds.

If this cannot be a civil on topic discussion the thread may be closed.

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe

Last Warning!!

This thread may have run its course.
Please post on topic, the thread is not about DeBeers or diamonds.

If this cannot be a civil on topic discussion the thread may be closed.

thankyou, these people are avoiding the issues.
im leaving

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by omarm1984

 

Given the photo series I've been watching out of the Wall Street "occupation", I'm going to guess the NYPD figured they were given Saturday, Sunday and even Monday to be fools down there and give the tourists a spectacle to gawk at. Enough is Enough at some point though. If it'd been a real protest? Sounds good... The photo series doesn't show a protest though, they show a bunch of middle-upper class kids trying to recreate their concept of what they think the 1960's must have been like or something.

Sorry if some people were rooting for this to 'be something' but it appears it never was. People just can't set up and camp out wherever they please, for however long they please. Society wouldn't work very well for very long with that going on just so kids can feel special and get some TV time. I think Ill conceived would be a fair description of the whole idea.

edit on 20-9-2011 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

Why are you even on this website. The only change you want to help is behind your keyboard. How admirable and sensible. Revolutions start with students. Eventually if the students refuse to say "enough is enough society can't function with us acting silly in the streets" then the people like you eventually come into the streets.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


The other threads that are general regarding the event aren't enough for you? You're active in them... perhaps you weren't getting enough stars?

This thread is about police violence at the events, not the DeBeers. It makes more sense for those to be discussed in the other threads, if it's not then there is no point of this thread...

...anyways, I think people should have been cutting the ties off of the kids' wrists "for the lulz". The fact that the vast majority of the 'mob' moseyed around complaining about it instead of doing something about it seems more like a testament that their unity is more of a theory than a practice.

Originally posted by PaleRyder

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
Ahh children so full of energy. The only way to beat them is not to become them but to turn them into us


Think about it

What an enlightened statement. We should turn them into us...you mean turn them it to slaves? Take everything from them? Take all their liberties in the name of freedom?

You just might have the right idea!

Oh im bursting at the seams with ideas

Originally posted by UniverSoul

Originally posted by undo

By doing this we can chop the economic head of the rich people that are enslaving us.

no, the people above the rich people, ya know the ones who play games with real lives, those people, who are so rich, money means nothing and it's all about the power to # people up? they already have a contingency plan in place in the event we don't kill each other first. they'll nuke the place, blame it on some other hapless nation/people, then have their propagandists claim we had it coming, and we were really the whore of babylon so it fulfilled God's will.

seriously, i ain't buying dude.

yes but these peoples power is gained by money. if we dont use money they have no power..its simple
it turns money into a worthless piece of paper

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You have to buy food and your kids need cloths, but we could all stop paying taxes all at once that should shut them down and let the people decide what gets changed.

Originally posted by Partisanity
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

The other threads that are general regarding the event aren't enough for you? You're active in them... perhaps you weren't getting enough stars?

This thread is about police violence at the events, not the DeBeers. It makes more sense for those to be discussed in the other threads, if it's not then there is no point of this thread...

...anyways, I think people should have been cutting the ties off of the kids' wrists "for the lulz". The fact that the vast majority of the 'mob' moseyed around complaining about it instead of doing something about it seems more like a testament that their unity is more of a theory than a practice.

Yah, well ok. Sorry I didn't interpret the title as expressly being police violence. But I see where you're coming from. I only used that as an example in a response to the one guy who claimed that America is responsible for the mass suffering in the world. And then my apology post get deleted too.
In terms of the police action, I have said I think some of these people are professional protesters, like the one girl from Toronto Star was arrested at the G20 Summit. The police are doing their jobs. If they don't enforce the rules in front of Wall Street, where would they? I will say though, dragging that guy looked awful, but they don't show what led up to that moment. They probably edited the video.
There's my analysis of it.

Do you really think I'm interested in stars? I have news for you, my thinking is way ahead of that. Preaching to the choir is one thing, but what's important is the statement is made. I make my statements for a reason, and let me tell you something, getting stars is meaningless when people here are calling me terrorist for having an opposing viewpoint.

was just watching some ron paul videos. he's apparently a supporter of peaceful protest, so if you like ron paul take his advice, protest peacefully, don't allow it to escalate to violence.

and while i'm at it, i apologize for my display of anger here the other day and for my use of foul language. but it's better it surfaced in advance, rather in the middle of a crisis. folks need to redirect the brewing anger to something other than each other or it will end up badly. so for my part in it, i apologize to the readers and to the poor guy i called a few not so nice things.

Originally posted by undo
was just watching some ron paul videos. he's apparently a supporter of peaceful protest, so if you like ron paul take his advice, protest peacefully, don't allow it to escalate to violence.

and while i'm at it, i apologize for my display of anger here the other day and for my use of foul language. but it's better it surfaced in advance, rather in the middle of a crisis. folks need to redirect the brewing anger to something other than each other or it will end up badly. so for my part in it, i apologize to the readers and to the poor guy i called a few not so nice things.

Thank you

Here is what a video of what happened last night. Thousands upon thousands gathered, some arrests, and not a single news crew. Yet when a few dozens line up outside the Apple store for the new iphone the media is all over them. The revolution will NOT be televised.