Comet Elenin from Google Sky Sept 19, 2011

Originally posted by Suspiria
I'm not sure what you are smoking, but perhaps you should lay off it for a while.
I provided a link to a thread claiming to reveal whats behind your Black area.
Whether you think that's positive or negative it's a contribution nonetheless.

ohhh rally?
i'm not sure what i was smoking either then :/
i thank you for the link in that case i may check it out...

and good bless you you too then...

thank you for the contribution.

peace!

Originally posted by EmilNomel

Originally posted by Saint Exupery
reply to post by amfis

 

Oh, by all means, share with us your ephemeris data. Be sure to include the orbital elements so that we can see how they differ from JPL's.

Oh, I checked with the International Astronomical Union Minor Planet Center ephemeris service and it corrolates to the JPL data.

so what did ya find?
please show us!
thank you.

JPL:
2011-Sep-18 00:00 12h 45m 24.07s -04° 27' 44.1"
2011-Sep-19 00:00 12h 43m 26.05s -04° 06' 30.3"
2011-Sep-20 00:00 12h 41m 05.88s -03° 42' 17.6"

MPC:
2011 09 18 000000 12h 45m 23.8s -04° 27' 42"
2011 09 19 000000 12h 43m 25.8s -04° 06' 28"
2011 09 20 000000 12h 41m 05.6s -03° 42' 15"

The differences are small enough that the comet would be in the field-of-view for either set (by comparison, the difference is a small fraction of the angular diameter of the planet Jupiter as seen from Earth).

The thing is, the coordinates are available. You ask how we can trust these organizations; well, if anyone points a decent telescope (8" or larger) at coordinates provided by whatever ephemeris service, they should see a comet (if it's not hidden in the Sun's glare). If they don't, then you've got something... But they do.

Here is a bunch of pictures of Elenin taken by amateurs over the past several months. If the orbital elements change, or if the ephemerides are wrong, then these pictures could not have been taken, BUT THEY WERE.

I'm still waiting for one of you "skeptical" types to provide an alternative set of orbital elements and ephemeris. Perhaps you could start with how you came up with the coordinates in the OP: 13h 35m 40s -8° 38' 7.2"

Originally posted by Suspiria
[I'm not sure what you are smoking, but perhaps you should lay off it for a while.
I provided a link to a thread claiming to reveal whats behind your Black area.
Whether you think that's positive or negative it's a contribution nonetheless.

what you have offered is way way off topick and just a chit chat topic!!!
Thank you... but, no thanks!
you are just being a troll in my thread... trying to make me go off topic!
good bless you though...

good bye!

Originally posted by Saint Exupery

Originally posted by EmilNomel

Originally posted by Saint Exupery
reply to post by amfis

 

Oh, by all means, share with us your ephemeris data. Be sure to include the orbital elements so that we can see how they differ from JPL's.

Oh, I checked with the International Astronomical Union Minor Planet Center ephemeris service and it corrolates to the JPL data.

so what did ya find?
please show us!
thank you.

JPL:
2011-Sep-18 00:00 12h 45m 24.07s -04° 27' 44.1"
2011-Sep-19 00:00 12h 43m 26.05s -04° 06' 30.3"
2011-Sep-20 00:00 12h 41m 05.88s -03° 42' 17.6"

MPC:
2011 09 18 000000 12h 45m 23.8s -04° 27' 42"
2011 09 19 000000 12h 43m 25.8s -04° 06' 28"
2011 09 20 000000 12h 41m 05.6s -03° 42' 15"

The differences are small enough that the comet would be in the field-of-view for either set (by comparison, the difference is a small fraction of the angular diameter of the planet Jupiter as seen from Earth).

The thing is, the coordinates are available. You ask how we can trust these organizations; well, if anyone points a decent telescope (8" or larger) at coordinates provided by whatever ephemeris service, they should see a comet (if it's not hidden in the Sun's glare). If they don't, then you've got something... But they do.

Here is a bunch of pictures of Elenin taken by amateurs over the past several months. If the orbital elements change, or if the ephemerides are wrong, then these pictures could not have been taken, BUT THEY WERE[/I].

I'm still waiting for one of you "skeptical" types to provide an alternative set of orbital elements and ephemeris. Perhaps you could start with how you came up with the coordinates in the OP: 13h 35m 40s -8° 38' 7.2"

thank you mate!
that's what i was looking for...