Ron Paul wins California GOP straw poll

reply to post by 27jd


Yep.. See I actually want universal healthcare. I'm liberal in most regards, however Ron Paul is the best thing we have and what we need at the moment for reform. Then after he does his magic we can bring in a dem/liberal (hopefully the liberal equivalent of Paul) that continues what is good for the public.

I want Paul in there to get our money back and fix our economy, end the war, and downsize the government.
Then I hope for a liberal that is as honorable as Paul and I want universal healthcare. I don't think it's socialism, It's just something we need. I just don't want it to be b.s. legislation that is really there to help businesses and earmarks and etc.

After the government is reformed a little I'd like to see marriage available equally for gay people.
I'd like to see freedom of choice.
I'd like to see an actual decent healthcare plan that allows people that can't afford insurance to be treated and not ruined and paying forever (free healthcare would be splendid and we could afford it if we can afford all these wars).

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
I feel the same way. I don't think that if RP wins he would be allowed to do anything he talks about. The media would be told to shut him out. It would be like we didn't have a president until they could get a misquote to run with for our entertainment. I'd like him to win just so everyone can know what the wild wild west was like. I can at least be left alone in my off grid retreat smoking my legal weed in whatever state allows that. BTW, I haven't smoked pot in 9 years due to the stigma. It would be nice to smoke again.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


I think that is the beauty of what Ron Paul stands for (ultimate the beauty that is the constitution). If a state wants healthcare, do what makes you happy, if a state wants gay marriage, do what makes you happy.

reply to post by eLPresidente


Yeah I agree. Which is why I'm voting for him. I've heard people say though he intends to hand it over to states, but was supposedly passing something against gay marriage. Im hoping it's not true and he really does put equality before his personal beliefs. That, to me, would be incredibly honorable. If your religious beliefs tell you one thing, but you are so intent on upholding the rights of the people that you allow people to choose and don't try to dictate it at all.

I hope he wins, but even if he does I dont think he will be able to accomplish much of what he wants to do

Originally posted by gentledissident
Some people think it's everyone for themselves or the few for the many. The idea of equality escapes them. I don't know if this is up bringing, or if there are subspecies of human with genetically different interpretations of reality.

I don't have a different interpretation of reality. I'm fully aware there are people like you who thinks like the song Goofy sang in the Disney cartoons "the world owes me a living". You didn't answer my question, since not everybody can live for free, without working...where's the equality you speak of? I give to charities and donate anytime there's a disaster, so this subspecies of human just doesn't like the government taking my money and using it to pay their cronies outrageous prices for services with no bid contracts.

Originally posted by 27jd
I don't have a different interpretation of reality. I'm fully aware there are people like you who thinks like the song Goofy sang in the Disney cartoons "the world owes me a living". You didn't answer my question, since not everybody can live for free, without working...where's the equality you speak of?

I have no idea why people like you think people like me think it's OK for people to not contribute to society and are opposed to work. I know the only way to implement socialism is through a conspiracy due to people misinterpreting and fearing socialism. I'm not about conspiracy, so I realistically opt to drop out. I know you fear that others are chomping at the bit to take advantage of you. They may be. There are a lot of us dreaming of a compassionate world who realize we owe each other security and comfort. Here's a popular thread on the subject.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by gentledissident


I'm not saying to let people die, and not help those who are truly in need. But I'm just sick to death of seeing people take advantage of the system, I know some personally who do and it makes me a little angry. They are usually criminals who have felony convictions, and don't want to work the jobs they can work, so they get state assistance, student grants (that they use the majority of the money to buy personal items), state medical, etc. They have no intention of getting jobs. I understand the need for such assistance for some people, but the current system is NOT working. It almost seems like a good plan to commit a crime so you can claim you can't get a job. And you haven't addressed the fact that Ron Paul knows he can't do away with those services overnight. People intentionally mistake his Constitutional philosophy, with his actual plans that are grounded in realism. He WILL fund the social services, using the money saved cutting out overseas military spending. He's made that clear. No other candidate is going to end the wars, and bring ALL of our troops home. He's the only one that can save Social Security, and Medicare, etc. He has a plan to do it.

reply to post by gentledissident


If you're talking about 'people like me' I think people need to start taking personal responsibility and then a system based on honor and self-less(ness) can be built on top of that. You think 'people like me' are heartless bastards are are none for one and one for none. I believe I've done my part in my local community serving as a president and executive of a non-profit for 7 years. Just because I believe in personal responsibility and living an honest life, doesn't mean I disregard others' lives for trash on the floor.

Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

Yeah, the articles are all buried under a bunch of non-stories...and consist of 3 or 4 sentences always ending in California not being important, even though it hold something like 55 electoral seats. Then, the comment section is higher than ANY of the other stories (on CNN, Fox didn't allow comments on their story).

Obama got California in the bag. Last time they voted differently was with Reagan.
It makes sense that the dems would want the weakest opponant to face Obama, that being Ron Paul.
One simple racism claim against good ole boy Ron Paul and he will collapse like a wet noodle if put up against Obama.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


You are delusional. One, ONE, donation, about $500 IIRC, from a white supremacist(or group, I forget) a few years ago and RP is a racist?

I know better than to feed trolls, but blatant lies need to be addressed. RP is NOT a racist! Get over it and quit spreading lies. You don't like RP, fine, but stop spreading your outrageous and blatant untruths.

People like you who obviously have no use for freedom or anything of the sort mystify me. The one politician who isn't status quo and you hate him with all your might. Like anything done in decades, nay, near centuries now, has done We The People ANY good yet you want to continue down this path of fascism towards a totalitarianism government hell bent on controlling every aspect of our lives?

Do you really want the status quo? Not ONE of the other candidates will change a damned thing as they are obviously bought and paid for by TPTB. They want the job so they can implement their own personal crusade against We The People. I'd bet my life savings if you asked RP he doesn't even want the job of Pres but he sees no one else who has any clue, so he's going for it. Sometimes one has to fight for what is right and not just go blindly along. Morals, some people have them but I guess you know little about those though.

Embrace ignorance, don't deny it. What a closed mind you have, sir. Enjoy your police state while you can. You won't have much time to enjoy your Orwellian society as the government will either imprison you, kill you or make you so stupid with brainwashing(actually, that's already happened) that you can't tell the difference between your anus and a hole in the ground.

I'm not afraid of people across the globe that supposedly want to kill me, as a Amerikan. You I fear, your ignorance, your hatred, your unwillingness to try and think logically. IMHO it is people like you who will eventually bring us all down.

You are entitled to your opinion, so excuse me if I exercise that same right and totally and uncompromisingly disagree with you. I believe we all have rights, inalienable, that we should be able to exercise yet in this country I am a slave to the corporations and my damned government. If that is so hard for you to understand, well, so be it. I believe every person should not have to fear their government, that it should work FOR them, not against them.

Why are these concepts so anathema to you? Why is it so hard to let people just live their lives? Why do we need over 600,000 laws to control us, with more and more on the way? Why do I need a government that represents me in no way, shape or form, it only increases the hardships already enslaving us? Why do we need a system where only the International Banking Cartel and their corporate cronies can make a buck?

Why do you, sir, embrace these concepts? By hating RP with all your energy, that is the only reasonable mindset I can come up with. You seriously enjoy not being able to think for yourself, you would rather have some fool talking head read a teleprompter full of government lies to you as truth?

Feeding trolls is not a good idea, and I'm sure your response to it will prove me right. I don't care, as I will not be discussing any more topics with you, this is it. Use all your lame tricks, call me every name in the book, I care not.

reply to post by TheLoony


don't bother with him, he is a known Ron Paul hater and troll.

He won't debate your facts directly but he will continuously prance around different accusations of Ron Paul because none of them are true, he has been doing this in every Ron Paul thread he participates in.


But I'm glad you set the record straight for other reads, thought they're likely other ron paul supporters already.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


If Ron Paul ends the war on drugs he will have done more for the impoverished and profiled minority youths than Obama ever has. It's a fact that a majority of those targeted for drug crimes are poor, inner city, black youths.

www.jackandjillpolitics.com...

reply to post by TheLoony


Struck a nerve did I? The truth is out there, it is all in black and white print, in the form of his newsletters. It is his achilles heel that will never let him attain a higher office than Congressman. All the trumped up internet polls or fanatics showing up at straw polls won't change the facts, this guy is unelectable. Even he understands this, his campaign manager said publicly that they are happy to have a voice in the debates.

I see him as doing his role, keeping all the bad fruits in one basket so to speak so they won't spoil the whole apple cart, that would be the 9/11 truthers, anonymous anarchists, US apologists etc. that flock to him like flies to a certain byproduct of a cattle ranch.

He is the grand sheeple herder of the US elections, providing an outlet that is controllable and acceptable to society instead of rioting and looting and disrupting.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


You know the letters weren't written by him. You also know the President of the NAACP in Austin who's a long time friend of Dr. Paul came out in his defense. You also know he greatly admires Rosa Parks and MLK. You know he's not a racist. You know all this, yet you pretend you're typing something new and groundbreaking. The desperation is strong in you, young troll. But we understand, you gotta make a living too. Thanks though, for bumping another Ron Paul thread, looks like you may serve a purpose after all.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


No one cares, at all, about those newsletters,as they are not news nor relevant. See above RE: 27jd's post.

I asked you many questions in my post. You answered none of them. I am unsurprised. A very lame attempt at deflection doesn't even fool a fool like me. A little more work and you could be a politician or lobbyist or corporate CEO. You barely answered one question, and the one you did answer you got incorrect. In my book, that registers as a fail.

I'll bet your favorite movie is Thank You For Smoking.

reply to post by TheLoony


didn't I just predict what he was gonna do in my last post?


Go RP 2012!

ghandi said it best...

first they ignore you
then they laugh at you
then they fight you
then you win


we're on the third step.

Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by gentledissident

 

I'm not saying to let people die, and not help those who are truly in need. But I'm just sick to death of seeing people take advantage of the system, I know some personally who do and it makes me a little angry. They are usually criminals who have felony convictions, and don't want to work the jobs they can work, so they get state assistance, student grants (that they use the majority of the money to buy personal items), state medical, etc. They have no intention of getting jobs. I understand the need for such assistance for some people, but the current system is NOT working. It almost seems like a good plan to commit a crime so you can claim you can't get a job. And you haven't addressed the fact that Ron Paul knows he can't do away with those services overnight. People intentionally mistake his Constitutional philosophy, with his actual plans that are grounded in realism. He WILL fund the social services, using the money saved cutting out overseas military spending. He's made that clear. No other candidate is going to end the wars, and bring ALL of our troops home. He's the only one that can save Social Security, and Medicare, etc. He has a plan to do it.

edit on 19-9-2011 by 27jd because: (no reason given)

No matter what systen is used there will be people to take advantage of it it's just a fact of life. Just because there are people tha abuse the system doesn't mean you destroy it. There is no need to get rid of the safety nets you obviously know nothing of history do you. You have no idea what it was like for people before social security Medicaid and medicare. Ever heard of the poor house? have any idea what that was about? I suggest you read THE PEOPLE OF THE ABYSS By Jack London you might learn why we don't lock away poor people any more. Society must have compasion and people like Ron Paul too far to the right for that.

reply to post by dragonridr


Ron Paul is not going to get rid of the social safety nets, he's already made that clear. As I've said time and again, he makes many statements as to how things should, and shouldn't have gone in accordance with the Constitution. But, he has said over and over that he knows there are people dependent on the system, and will not tear it down. I think his ultimate goal would be cutting federal spending to the level that states would keep most of their money, and could finance social safety nets on the state level. Most states already have them, they would just have more money to fund them under Ron Paul. But, in the meantime he knows he can't do away with Social Security, Medicare, etc. He wants to eventually allow young people to opt out, if they choose, and make their own arrangements. His plan is to bring the troops home from overseas, to build a strong defensive force here at home, spending their pay in OUR economy. The money saved from ending the wars and closing the overseas military bases, would be split evenly between paying down the debt, and funding social safety net programs. He's a very smart man, and has made it clear he doesn't plan to pull the rug out from anybody, or shock the system. And also keep in mind there are still checks and balances, but it would be a GOOD thing to get at least one of the branches of government to honestly look out for the people...

www.ontheissues.org...

Results of mid-September USA Today/Gallup poll:

31% - Perry
24% - Romney
13% - Paul
5% - Bachmann
5% - Gingrich
5% - Cain
2% - Santorum
1% - Huntsman

Results of mid-September 2007 USA Today/Gallup poll:

30% - Guiliani
22% - Thompson
18% - McCain
7% - Romney
4% - Huckabee
4% - Paul
2% - Brownback
2% - Hunter
1% - Tancredo

A little perspective for those who say he isn't polling high enough off the internet, to have a chance.