Why i love Jesus. Why Jesus is love.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Akragon

 

And it's not a "push" but a "pull" sell..

edit on 20-9-2011 by NewAgeMan because: darn typo

Still sounds like outside influence

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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But if we consider Jesus' work, his teachings, his very character, part of a whole NEW covenant, and follow that inquiry all the way through, reading Jesus, discerning his character, his thinking, intentionality, his human interaction, particularly in relation to the downtrodden and the lowly, then the whole frame of reference has shifted. The idea here, is the notion of the human being made in the image of God to contain nothing less than God and God's love, and the person of Jesus an unparalleled spiritual genius of mind, heart and soul, who took things to their logical and supra-rational conclusion, and made the old NEW, and functional again, in an approrpriate and loving manner, this is plainly obvious, particularly when we look to his interactions with the religious elite of his time, who had been corrupted by many factors and forces, including Roman Imperialism. He is there, the person of Jesus, between the lines of the Gospels, his laughing loving self. To meet him, is to know him is to fall in love with him, not to worship him in a religious sense, but to appreciate him, and in truth to become one with him, with us in him and him in us, as it always was and was meant to be, the love of God as Spirit co-mingled with man made whole again, re-integrated WITH God.

Believe it or not, it was through reading the Bible and all the stories contained within that I came to my conclusion. But even going from your own assertions, I see nothing that comes close to love in any sense.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Don't you see, Jesus, as love made real, as love personified, as love in action, came into the world, as much to remind us about who and what we really are, as children of a loving God, ad he did to remind God as the Absolute, and the Transcendant, just who and what he truly is, as love. Please try this on, until you weep and then have tears wiped from your eyes.

The Jesus character came down from heaven to the lowly earth to remind us all exactly who the boss is, and to let us know that we if we don't do what pleases him, we will all burn forever in a lake of fire (and apparently to remind himself, a god, just how awesome he is ????????).

He's the ultimate mob boss "hey buddy nice life you got, would be a shame if after it you were tortured forever huh. Just do what I say, give me what I want and everything will be peachy"

reply to post by Akragon

A loving influence is essential and unavoidable, until we're working together in mutuality for a just and noble historical pursuit.

reply to post by Prezbo369

That's a very different personal Jesus from the one I know. That sounds more like the Jesus of American Christian Conservative Fundamentalism. I don't see how that's what you "got" out of reading him, makes no sense to me at all, unless you are an American, schooled within that frame of reference and therefore unable to see anything else. Open your eyes and read him again and you'll see, and did you read NOTHING of what I wrote, which you quoted..?

Jesus on his love

9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

14Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

15Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

16Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

17These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Thanks Akragon for putting this together in your other thread, I assumed that you don't mind me swapping it into here!

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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Non demoninational, as truth tested by reason and the spirit of truth and love. A personal Christianity, let me put it that way.

I like it... though the idea would need to be defined.

Personally i don't like labels either..

This Christianity I am thinking of, is itself an invitation (Invitational?), to participate, in an ongoing and eternal evolutionary process or development, of growth, and love, light (awareness) and life, capable of generating a new world (hopeful, optimistic) fit for the spirit of God to inhabit as the spirit of love and Christ consciousness (God consciousness), and as such, for our truest self, walking hand in hand with God as spirit and truth, and the author of life itself.

It's an invitation then, really, to create a home here on earth, within and among us for the incarnation of the Spirit of God (Spirit of Love) through us, and thus to work WITH God to create a home, both now and in the future, even in eternity, in whatever form that may be (happy either way to remain or to move on to another domain).

It's a Christianity of invitation, to participate then, and much MUCH more (but wait there's more!) - to participate in an extraordinary opportunity to generate the future realm of possibility we are ALL living into, in eternity (already always). In this way it is, as I mentioned earlier, a co-creative, participatory eschatology, for a new beginning, for a "new age", and as I pointed out already, it is an invitation from none other than Jesus himself.

And then, beyond invitation, it's a Christianity of initiation (baptism into the new life), as well as one of continual preparation, to welcome and recieve into this realm or domain, ever more Spirit of Love, Light and Life, to co-habitate WITH us here on Earth. It is a preparation then, of, by, and for, nothing less than the second coming of Jesus Christ as the final realization and recognition (re cognition) of God, in eternity, as the projector (height) of our reflected image (from transcendance to innerance), which is an image, and a stature not unlike that of Jesus Christ himself, but each according to their own unique personal spiritual experience (to be authentically yourself as you really are, accepted and acceptable, AUTHENTIC, or real, as your true self). That said, when we meet the love of God, we all meet the same God, as love, and may therefore be said to be in "one accord".

It's a Christianity then, which dares (as Jesus did) to proclaim nothing less than the coming of the Kingdom of Heaven, that's the one I have in mind!

In fact, once you "grok" this, nothing less will do, since we are talking here about our own house in eternity! After all, who really wants something that is less than best?!! (how does that sell?)

And we must remember always, that "the relativity of human being" is the only "infrastructure" through which a new world and a new way of life for one and all may be realized in the fullness of time and history.

And, therefore - if not you, and me, then who, and if not now, then when?

It cannot be presented as anything BUT an open invitation to participate.

Shall we all run for the hills, bury our heads in the sand, or, shall we turn to the light, and grow?

What shall it be? The choice remains..

God is willing, but we cannot do this alone, only together can we build a royal arch (with Christ as keystone) over which humanity shall one day pass into everlasting freedom, and love.

So I say that, since the alternative is not formative, and doesn't represent a solution of any kind to our individual and collective predicament, that we "ought to" love God above all (to remain in an appropriate I-thou relationship with God as the Absolute), and ("no less important") love neighbor as self. We must love as we are already first loved by God in Jesus Christ.


"I have one commandment. Love one another, as I have loved you."
~ The Last Supper

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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That's a very different personal Jesus from the one I know. That sounds more like the Jesus of American Christian Conservative Fundamentalism. I don't see how that's what you "got" out of reading him, makes no sense to me at all, unless you are an American, schooled within that frame of reference and therefore unable to see anything else. Open your eyes and read him again and you'll see, and did you read NOTHING of what I wrote, which you quoted..?

No I'm not American, but try not to be so unashamedly stereotypical. I understand you're so heavily invested in this religion that you're so utterly unable to see the Bible as anything other than exactly what you want to hear, but you should realize that to many its a fairly disgusting book, filled with terrible advice and horrible acts, that's responsible for some of the darkest times in our history.

And yes I read your posts, and found what you wrote to be only vaguely connected to the content within the bible.

What you want the universe and everything within it to be like, has absolutely nothing to say about how the universe actually is like.

reply to post by Prezbo369

I stand corrected re: you must be American (influenced by American Christendom). But I also stand by everything I've written, which is not incongruent with the New Testament, and the knowledge gained from it's "grokking".

Cheers,

NAM

Thanks for making my point for me

Originally posted by Prezbo369
Thanks for making my point for me

Don't mention it.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Akragon

 

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This is IT! We must work with what we have and have been given. Let us be good and faithful servants of the God of Love, what do you say?

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Worthy is the Lamb. Trustworthy and True is the Spirit of the Lord.

Jesus (as Divine) is an invention....from the Council of Nicea specifically...

Does this really make sense to you?

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Sure, it's pretty tongue in cheek, but the logical fallacies it points out aren't....

Just my opinion of course, and to each his own..but all too often, I think we get too caught up in religious dogma and forget that we should just be good to each other first...

reply to post by Gazrok

Was it really neccessary to make that particular post in this particular thread?

reply to post by Gazrok

Given the frame of reference I've been offering in this thread, I'd promised myself to laugh out loud next time someone came along with an anti-Jesus post. I almost forgot!

Edit: Out of fairness, I should add that the early Jesus movement, pre-Nicea, was almost certainly an initiation into (baptism) an awareness, an experience, and a knowledge (gnosis) OF the living Spirit of God in the risen Christ, and not a "belief in" Jesus as an external deity. Jesus after all, was interested in a relationship WITH us, as friends.

My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. (John 15.12)

Basically I love Jesus because I love love, and because I know that love is a choice and an act of the will. Thus we see or recognize in the person of Jesus, the will of God as love in the form of a NEW and everlasting covenant which can never be broken, only realized, in the fullness of time and history via the love of he who was, who is and who is to come.

"I love those who love me, and those who seek me, find me." Proverbs 8:17

I love Jesus, because my heart was made, by design, to contain nothing less than him and his love.