NASA Whistleblower: Alien Moon Cities Exist

I firmly believe there are ancient cities on the moon, and perhaps even active bases there as well.
I also believe the Apollo 20 mission is true. The smoking gun is the image within the LM that has the EBE inside, as well as the Soviet rover shown out the window, as well as part of the "city" visible in the top left, being the "cathedral", which has had unclear photos of it appear before.

reply to post by smurfy


Lunik or Luna 13 has been discussed already on ATS. Here is one of the more interesting threads:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Basically the Russians are saying that pieces came off when landing. Considering the amount of debris around the probe and bent antennas, it probably was a hard landing . It may also be part of the normal deployment of the probe's instrumentation:

Removed from the station are two coils ejected as the station opens up.

I think that's Russian for pieces got jettisoned when the probe landed. LINK

apollo astronauts brought what back? < source quotes apollo.

and nasa are covering this up ?

how far can you get away from the truth ? THERE WAS NO APOLLO MISSION > just to make it clear

this ats> you cannot be serious if you think they really actually went to the moon, or ever did

we worked all this out years and years ago.

you've been lied to before, you're being lied to again. is anyone who takes that seriously really worth their salt?

beforeitsnews < thats a rubbish source if i rememeber rightly

reply to post by Interdimensionalbeing


Exactly...like the "space command". It's no secret that they exist... Especially for me, because I used to wait on them when they would come into lunch

I worked in a restaurant near NORAD

They came in with their flight suits on and everything

The first time I saw them I was like "we have a space command???"

I always tried to eavesdrop, but never heard anything

They were always having award ceremonies for one another ?.?.?.?.

You know, its one thing when we are skeptical of a fuzzy picture, or a redneck on a beer binge, but the picture is fairly clear at this point, if you just look at the whole thing:

Ancient anomalies,

artifacts of extrahuman technology and non existent processes,

a moon we still don't have comprehensive, crystal clear shots of,

with a considerably unique orbit and relativity,

NASA employees, astronauts, commercial airline pilots, whole government and military bodies giving expert testimony

Video footage, stills, and physical evidence.

Communication through geometry and art.

Mass contact is simply not logistically possible without the ensuing chaos inherent in any herd mentality.

We are getting smarter, but presently, as K from Men In Black said 'people are dumb, panicky animals and you know it.'

We are close to being ready en masse, and quite a few of us are already in quite committed relationships with our space brothers and sisters.

Nice find, OP.

so the spollo missions did go to the moon ? thanks for clearing that up !

Originally posted by ZIPMATT
THERE WAS NO APOLLO MISSION > just to make it clear

this ats> you cannot be serious if you think they really actually went to the moon, or ever did

we worked all this out years and years ago.

really?? the americans were in the space race with the russians if there was any indication they faked the moon landing russia wouldve been the first to find out. but no, i suppose a couple of conspiracy nuts on their pcs did more digging and found something russia missed with their masses of resources.. i mean seriously

reply to post by iksose7


Oh the debunkers and paid posters can deny just about anything mate.

Over the years, I've hunted down and found my own structures on the moon, through NASA images from NASA websites..a lot of images are censored and tampered with, but the earlier missions imagery contain more that slipped through the human censors back then as the technology available to the home 'Anomaly hunter' now, was science fiction back when these images were first released.

A lot slipped through the net. Although despite these images being published at the time, they still alter them when attention is drawn to certain 'anomalies'.

The newer mission images are also tampered with and censored, but now of course a lot more sophisticated technology and software is used, much more than years ago where they had a couple of airmen sitting in a room 'airbrushing' or smearing or altering contrast ratios, taping (yes, physically using sticky tape) to hide what they can spot with a loupe. They also have their human propaganda and debunking professionals to monitor and participate with the deception online, but recently even this got a software overhaul (multiple sock accounts used for posting, debunking etc. simultaneously by only one operator...and they have many operators using this software...it's effective)

I've been amazed at some of what i have seen...i will openly admit that pareidolia can be a problem, and a lot of what we think we see, is just our brains trying to recognise faces..but our brains are programmed to recognise faces, not especially structures..it's not an evolutionary aid to be able to pick out buildings when none are there, so that's not what pareidolia is about.

Yeah, mistakes happen in identifying structure, of course we're only human...a tricky shadow here and there causes problems and i can get it wrong, even after years of looking at images, but i've found many definite structures, huge (really huge) artificial towers, (they were heavily into massive sculpture, probably leaders or famous ETs and humans) a lot look destroyed or decayed...but i get the impression that many are ET in origin, but also many look to be of ancient human origin too...the styles are so different between various structures you see, I think we may even have co-existed there at some point, as some sculptures are of ETs and some are very human looking.

I'm thinking an ancient war between ET and a previously advanced human civilisation, destroyed most of what is there, and left behind ruins although there does look to be newer activity too. (mining, UFO sightings etc) that may be humans using a secret space programme or ET still.

I do think humanity lost the ancient war with the ET's though, and that is what kicked us back to savagery to pull ourselves up again. Probably accounts for the myths and origins surrounding many religions too in my view.

I won't post what i've found here, or to YT or anywhere online. I'm sick of the orchestrated BS, endless circular posts, and carefully (and ironically cleverly) constructed juvenile sounding comments aimed at those who do post in forums and video sites.

So, yeah...having seen a lot of what this 'insider' is talking about myself, i do believe he's telling the truth...at least about the structures being there.

Not asking anyone to believe what i say, In fact, i wouldn't believe what i say either, not without evidence or something approaching it. There's going to be no 'proof' coming from me, so treat what i say as either fantasy or outright lies, insanity, plain mistakes, 'no proof - it didn't happen'...i don't care which you choose.

But there is a way to find your own proof, and it's all just a few keystrokes away in Lunar images available all over the net from 'official' websites.

OK, years of searching, unless your lucky...many fruitless nights where nothing is found, a lot of false starts, mistakes, frustration...but when you 'find it', when you find your first 'definite'...it really is worth it and when you apply what you have found to thinking about what we are being told and taught through the decades, you begin to realise and understand just how deep the rabbit hole goes...

So all who've managed to stay awake reading this post so far, take note: I do not claim anything as fact, offer no proof or evidence, nor will i. Accept what i say as a long winded and boring story if it pleases you to think of it that way.

If you want to find the truth of this, you'll have to do it on your own i'm afraid...if you do, and when you stop looking for the 'it looks like' and 'it could be' and start searching for 'the definite' artificial structure, when you find it, whatever it might be, it will change the way you view the world and the people who 'manage it' and us forever.

Probably a lot of typos and grammatical errors in this post, but you'll get the gist.

reply to post by DaveNorris


clean your act up. mankind never went to the moon , no. your reasoning lacks substance . the russians covered up what happened to uri gregarin the first man in space, so they could hail it a sucess and he soon died in suspicious circumstances.
he bodily and mental systems went into failyre as he passed up through the magnetoshpere he had no protection and the electrical impulses between cells were impaired so he could even breathe properly, was mentally impaired and his metabolism failed etc. they had not developed a technologiocal substitute environment ie spacesuit with its own electrical field , which would allow lunar exploration by 1968. they still havent as far as i know,

and i mean come on ,, the footage is as mickey mouse as it gets !!

Originally posted by ZIPMATT
reply to post by DaveNorris

 

clean your act up. mankind never went to the moon , no. your reasoning lacks substance .

reason ? ok, I'll play. there is physical, tangible, independently verified evidence the apollo missions were succesful. there isn't a shred of physical, tangible, independently verified evidence they did not

using reason, there is only 1 possible conclusion

reply to post by ZIPMATT


why would russia help cover it up if they were in competition with each other?
and if they cant go to the moon why would they be planning more moon missions? and most importantly why would they cover it up, to what end? what would they have to gain?

but to be honest i havent look into it much, i havent even seen the footage of the moon landing, so please explain to me why, convince me it was faked (im genuinely interesed in hearing, in this thread or PM)

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


The smudges are curious, and I too want to know what it is they smudged out. I've seen them in official NASA photos, so I do wonder.

reply to post by syrinx high priest


strange you didnt post any of this so called evidence. yet i could be dealing with virtual children here. are you going to show me the bit where the landing pod whoooshes back up to the thingybob ? you are too funny. you are not going to pull my strings im not a puppet either!

reply to post by ZIPMATT


I was hoping you would ask.

1) big muley. big muley is the moon rock that was impossible to retrieve with a rover due to it' enormous size. The only way big muley could be on earth is if an apollo astro picked it up and brought it here. if you are going to play the "US had a rover" card, all you need to do is post the dates and locations the rover was launched.

2) the lunar laser range finder experiment at mcdonald observatory. they are bouncing lasers off of the mirrors placed by apollo 11, 14 and 15. If you are going to play the" US had a rover" card, all you need to do is post the dates and locations the rover was launched

3) ham radio operators listening in to the apollo transmissions had to aim at the moon to hear them. please use your keen reasoning and tell me why

Originally posted by DaveNorris
reply to post by ZIPMATT

 

why would russia help cover it up if they were in competition with each other?
and if they cant go to the moon why would they be planning more moon missions? and most importantly why would they cover it up, to what end? what would they have to gain?

but to be honest i havent look into it much, i havent even seen the footage of the moon landing, so please explain to me why, convince me it was faked (im genuinely interesed in hearing, in this thread or PM)

why does getting into space have to be a race ? it was a race to blow more rockets up on the lauchpads if anything . all to put someone into space. and the russians had won.
why havent there been any more moon missions? i havent heard of a single one since. can you explain that?

look into it further. its hard to beleive when the bbc show you black and white blurs and call them 'new footage of the lunar landings equipment just 'released' by nasa - this month. but it is a plain lie and obviously a joke to the news presenters who put that story to the cameras too.

what would they have to gain? beating the russians to an imaginary cream cake when they had already lost the main event? did most of the ruskies have tv to watch in those days? no they were gathered round a single set in this country. and would we or usa have heard stalin scoffing? no. am i getting anywhere yet?

Originally posted by ZIPMATT

why havent there been any more moon missions? i havent heard of a single one since. can you explain that?

the purpose of the mission was to prove it could be done, and to be the first. You have to remember the cold war had a lot to do with NASA being able to get funding for 400,000 employees. After you go 6 times, there isn't much left to prove. it is a dead rock. There simply is nothing to gain by going back

boooo zippy went home. asking for evidence usually does that. too bad, I was saving the LRO pics of the landing sites as my trump card

oh well, back to alien bases I guess

reply to post by ZIPMATT


not getting far, ill look into it more but what your saying sounds like opinions and speculation, i thought you might make an effort to convince me but you bring no proof... epic fail

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
reply to post by ZIPMATT

 

3) ham radio operators listening in to the apollo transmissions had to aim at the moon to hear them. please use your keen reasoning and tell me why

edit on 15-9-2011 by syrinx high priest because: (no reason given)

they had to aim them at the moon ? < that little laughing face just doesnt say it

reply to post by ZIPMATT


It was a race for the superpower of the world. Think about being the one nation to be powerful enough monetarily and scientifically to be the first space faring people on earth and the attention from the rest of the world looking in awe. Sure it ended up being a dead grey rock, but that was not an issue or the purpose of the missions, it was strictly bragging rights and to hold the position of superior nation in everything including space. Egotistical I know.

All this"clean your act up" and "dealing with children".....it seems you need the hand holding to do any research into the other side of the story. Oh wait but that might blow your belief so you will hunt down only the "evidence" that "supports" yours and others "theory". If you have a brain (im pretty sure that you do) you can easily look for all the answers yourself, but im sure none of them will be ever good for you and even if people on this thread spoon feed them to you you will still spit it out and make a face. So its fruitless to argue with beliefs.