Question for Evolutionist's

reply to post by undo


who do you think?
oh wait you dont think for yourself do you

This entire thread is based on misconception. A genus does not evolve into a new genus directly. A genus encompasses a group of related organisms. The entire group does not evolve into an entirely new group. A new genus would be created by a single species diverging into a group of distinct species that share common traits between them. This new genus would itself have to be distinct from the previous genus. We have intermediary classifications such as subgenus, so we would probably be dealing with the evolution of a subgenus than an entire genus.

Really, we'd have to get an evolutionary taxonomist to weigh in on the subject.

Originally posted by UniverSoul
reply to post by undo

 

who do you think?
oh wait you dont think for yourself do you

you think i'm ignorant? based on what?
a stereotype you have of me in your head?

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Here's a link to a wikipedia article on a experiment done on E. Coli bacteria in which evolution was OBSERVED, as you've requested. Also have you ever seen a dog? Or any farmyard animal? That's evolution by artificial selection right there. I don't understand why you go on about fossils anyway, they are not needed to prove evolution, they're just a bonus. Anyway, here's the link. en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by UniverSoul
reply to post by undo

 

who do you think?
oh wait you dont think for yourself do you

you think i'm ignorant? based on what?
a stereotype you have of me in your head?

edit on 17-9-2011 by undo because: (no reason given)

not a stereotype. i think your ignorant because you put your trust and faith into something for no other reason then people tell you its right.
people were forced to believe in this stuff, what does this tell you?
i really cant be bothered listing all the points, weve all heard them before.

reply to post by UniverSoul


yes, a stereotype. i'm blonde, too. and have large bossoms, guess that's where my brains went eh? well i take that back, make that large bossom. i'm missing one, must be where the other half of my brain went. into the circular filing bin doth go your insults. try harder next time.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by UniverSoul

 

yes, a stereotype. i'm blonde, too. and have large bossoms, guess that's where my brains went eh? well i take that back, make that large bossom. i'm missing one, must be where the other half of my brain went. into the circular filing bin doth go your insults. try harder next time.

not a stereotype just an assesment.
hey you sound hot.

Originally posted by UniverSoul

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by UniverSoul

 

yes, a stereotype. i'm blonde, too. and have large bossoms, guess that's where my brains went eh? well i take that back, make that large bossom. i'm missing one, must be where the other half of my brain went. into the circular filing bin doth go your insults. try harder next time.

not a stereotype just an assesment.
hey you sound hot.

nope, old and grumpy and menopausal. and don't like being told, after having lived this many years, and studied as much and as long as i have, that i'm ignorant. you can say that you disagree and i can accept that, but calling me ignorant, them 're fightin' words bucko.

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by UniverSoul

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by UniverSoul

 

yes, a stereotype. i'm blonde, too. and have large bossoms, guess that's where my brains went eh? well i take that back, make that large bossom. i'm missing one, must be where the other half of my brain went. into the circular filing bin doth go your insults. try harder next time.

not a stereotype just an assesment.
hey you sound hot.

nope, old and grumpy and menopausal. and don't like being told, after having lived this many years, and studied as much and as long as i have, that i'm ignorant. you can say that you disagree and i can accept that, but calling me ignorant, them 're fightin' words bucko.

if your that old you would have probably lived when people were forced to believe and fear in religion..
your not ignorant, but i do feel that you are brainwashed.
why cant you be happy believing that someone or something created everything, why does it have to be so specific with no evidence..

reply to post by UniverSoul


what political party do you adhere to? what's your favorite food? color? what's your favorite position?
website? topic? what does it matter to you whether i'm specific or not? jesus is my favorite. nothing wrong with that, now is there? no, when i was growing up, it was all about sex drugs and rock n' roll, and the peer pressure was on big time to lose your virginity as quickly as possible, and if you refused, you were called a whore (because up is down, black is white, good is evil, and dumb is smart).

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by UniverSoul

 

what political party do you adhere to? what's your favorite food? color? what's your favorite position?
website? topic? what does it matter to you whether i'm specific or not? jesus is my favorite. nothing wrong with that, now is there? no, when i was growing up, it was all about sex drugs and rock n' roll, and the peer pressure was on big time to lose your virginity as quickly as possible, and if you refused, you were called a whore (because up is down, black is white, good is evil, and dumb is smart).

look your a lot more resonable then that other guy so im sorry if i said anything offensive earlier..

the things you have listed are all personal opionons right?
i have nothing against them and believe everyone should have the right to their own..
but when a personal opinion of another effects other people as much as religion has, i dont think it has a right.
religion has time and time again effected others over hundreds of years and it continues today..
you talk about peer pressure..look at the effect christianity has on society, its a lot more dangerous then peer pressure.
but i agree we live in a 'upside down' world.. but honestly a fair bit of that confusion and contradiction has come from religion.

reply to post by UniverSoul


well my take on that is, whenever you get a bunch of people who believe the exact same thing together in a large group they will impose themselves on others that are not like them, in various not-so-nice ways. i've found this to be true in pretty much every form of government, belief system and world view. i've found it in large groups of people who are normally just very nice folks one on one, they transform into some kind of evil hive mind when they get in large groups. that's not any one type of person's fault, it's a human condition. and it will never change as long as the pressure is on to fit in to whatever the current view is, be that atheist, pagan, abrahamic, buddhist, or agnostic.

i lived in utah for 10 years. as a protestant, i was like a fish out of water, and so was my husband and child. there were so many mormons there and they treated outsiders who weren't mormon, horribly. BUT, even other mormons who had the chance to live outside utah, were not happy about moving there because large groups of people of the same mindset become monstrous hives of evil, even to each other. way of the world.

p.s. that's not to say the people or religions or non-religions are inherently evil. just mobs of like minded people transform into something not so nice. doesn't mean we shouldn't have interactions with like minded people, but that we should remember how it feels to be the odd one out and resist the urge to put others under that kind of pressure. course, not everyone knows that or even understands how bad it could be, and some who do know it and understand how bad it can be, think if it works to change the person's mind, then it's all good. of course, that kind of change is not real change, and so hasn't done a bit of real good, only created a separate compartment in the person's mind where they continue to believe whatever in the hell they want to.

Originally posted by bittersocialist
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

Here's a link to a wikipedia article on a experiment done on E. Coli bacteria in which evolution was OBSERVED, as you've requested. Also have you ever seen a dog? Or any farmyard animal? That's evolution by artificial selection right there. I don't understand why you go on about fossils anyway, they are not needed to prove evolution, they're just a bonus. Anyway, here's the link. en.wikipedia.org...

that's an example of micro evolution but not a cross species change, which i do believe,
is the big question. most people are aware that there's adaptation and as a result genetic mutations of varying small amounts, but the big leap is from genetic mutations in the same species to a totally different species evolving

for example, i've taken so many antibiotics in my lifetime, they most of them no longer work for me. that's an example of genetic mutation but i'm still human and no part of that mutation has made me more fish like or whatever.

reply to post by undo


So after evolving for hundreds of millions of years, does god hit the reset button if a species becomes too different? Seeing as you refuse any evidence that runs contrary to your beliefs, how about you explain the mechanism that alledgely stops a species from evolving too much? What is the scientific basis for it?

Is this still a creationist vs. evolutionist thread?

What the hell is everyone even talking about anymore?

Originally posted by undo
okay you asked for evidence about genesis 1:1 thing? i said i'd u2u you the evidence?
doncha remember? video in the u2u. you no watch it? cause i know you received the u2u. says so at my end, and that you opened it. shows you've received and opened it when it's no longer highlighted in the outbox.

No sir. I have not received any video. And when you say u2u, are you talking about my message box? Again, I have not received anything in my message box. Are you sure you sent it to me?

EDIT: WTF? I just checked my message box and I do have a message from you, and it has been opened. I did not do it though, lol. One of my kids may have done it, I don't know. I asked my wife and she didn't do it. Anyways, going to read it now. Thanks.

Also, after reading some more posts, I think you're a ma'am. So, change that first sentence to "no ma'am".

Originally posted by john_bmth
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So after evolving for hundreds of millions of years, does god hit the reset button if a species becomes too different? Seeing as you refuse any evidence that runs contrary to your beliefs, how about you explain the mechanism that alledgely stops a species from evolving too much? What is the scientific basis for it?

edit on 17-9-2011 by john_bmth because: (no reason given)

good question. i have no idea.
if i did, i'd be sure to tell ya.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Genus becoming genus??? That's not how it works...subtle changes take place over time based on the relationship the organism has with other organisms and its occupied niche (the environment where it lives).

This does not mean, though, that the one genus has changed or gone away. I mean, you understand that, right?

Phylogenic changes do not create spontaneous ontogenic changes...in other words, because you were born with webbed feet - let's say - and in some random circumstance removed from modern civilization, that may be a beneficial trait to have, that does not mean your mother ceases to be the same as you, or that you are now some separate species. You can easily mate with another human being and still produce offspring not that different from you or your mate, or your parents, but with the higher probability that the webbed feet may come to be a trait in at least one of your offspring.

Now, if the circumstances were right, the webbed-foot trait was beneficial and led to the death of the offspring without it in a higher ratio, well, you'd be talking eventual total change. But, again, this does not mean that humans without webbed feet will disappear somewhere else on the planet.

Anyway, not to say that evolution is somehow "over" when it comes to humans, I think civilization has sort of paralyzed aspects of it - to our detriment I'm sure - and other aspects lurch forward as much as we try to suppress them.

Just thinking here, but wouldn't the different races show a slow change in humanity? The asians, the blacks, the whites, the arabs, the indians, etc.? Yes, they can all still reproduce with each other, but doesn't it still show some kind of change occured? If we didn't have the technology we do today where we can instantly communicate with one another, travel great distances in a short amount of time, luxurious homes to protect us from the elements, etc. wouldn't more changes be taking place? Look at how much the english language has changed between England and America for example, in just a short time, and then within the United States itself, accents vary greatly between different parts of the country.

Perhaps we have slowed down the evolving process because of our technological advances? Just asking.