The Sum of all Fears : What if Elenin is Nibiru?

reply to post by Theophoros

cause they said they didn't find any water on Elenin.

How would they know something like that?........proof?

Well from the man himself

Source

reply to post by Theophoros


Water vapor would have had to have been present originally for its loss to be noticeable. If water vapor wasn't present one would think that's something that would have been announced during the earlier spectroscopy readings. Instead all that was announced was that there was cyanogen gas in its coma.

Originally posted by Theophoros

Originally posted by SatoriTheory
Instead of wasting time with more elenin-nibiru youtube videos, you should instead look and listen at the various speeches and news articles for the symbolic meanings.

We have already been told what is going to happen.

Nibiru is no where to be seen.
Elenin is not going to hit or affect earth.

st.

Actually, it has already been proven that Elenin is affecting the earth with earthquakes via direct alignments with the sun and earth - this is through what I call Electromagnetic Wave Propagation.

Guess you might want to "look and listen" a little closer next time...

THough EMP actually proves nothing and at most we may have some earthquakes and volcanic erruptions but
if man ever does face an ELE it will more then likely be caused by some stupid stunt humanity was behind. Though you never know today what will happen next so maybe there is a brown dwarf out there somewhere but i doubt very much it's Elenin!

Is there any proof that comet Elenin has broken up, like a picture. Something more than "there is no water condensation etc.
Also how big is this comet, I mean the mass of it. I know its 4kms across or whatever but doesn't the actual mass of the thing matter more than the size?

Now, the object in these two videos is right where Elenin should be :

This is a video from Stereo A which is on the other side of the Sun from Elenin - this can not be a picture of Nibiru one year behind (as some say) for it would not even be in the view of Stereo A and, I believe, the object is too large to be Nibiru if it is still a year out. This object in the (upside down) image moved from upper upper left to lower right, where it is now, over the course of time (saw that in another video) which follows precisely Elenin's approach from below the ecliptic to above it. The Author of that first video provides a link to the site he got that video from and that sight is currently unavailable.

reply to post by ZeussusZ


There are pictures of it. I believe it was nataylor who posted a nice series of photos showing it changing from a bright, round comet in the middle of August; to an elongated, dimming comet at the end of August; to being almost imperceptible at the beginning of September.

EDIT: Actually it was pazcat who posted the images, that all come from Michael Mattiazzo. In fact he has a new picture from today, which pretty much shows nothing left.

Southern Comets Homepage

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Theophoros

 

Water vapor would have had to have been present originally for its loss to be noticeable. If water vapor wasn't present one would think that's something that would have been announced during the earlier spectroscopy readings. Instead all that was announced was that there was cyanogen gas in its coma.

I don't think they were proving loss - just absense...

Originally posted by ZeussusZ
Is there any proof that comet Elenin has broken up, like a picture. Something more than "there is no water condensation etc.
Also how big is this comet, I mean the mass of it. I know its 4kms across or whatever but doesn't the actual mass of the thing matter more than the size?

Well - that's what I want to know - the only video I saw of the supposed breakup could not have been Elenin I don't believe.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


I know its dimming and changed shape, but that doesn't mean it broke up. I remember a comet (can't remember the name) a while ago that increased in brightness after it had been around the sun and moving back off to where ever.
Also didn't the moon have something to do with why it was becoming dimmer.
And what is the mass of this?

reply to post by Theophoros


You forgot to say,"Allegedly" triggering earthquakes. Allegedly.

reply to post by ZeussusZ


I believe you are referring to Comet McNaught.

Originally posted by chr0naut
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Ice = no magnetic field.

The fact that it has melted pretty much identifies that it is ice.

I often wonder about statements like this
how can ice melt in space?

as we understand space is a vacuum and heat is not transferred through a vacuum

when you are in a plane at 30,000 feet the air temperature is -1 c maximum on a hot sunny day
its colder than that on the top of mount everest in summer

the higher you go and the thinner the atmosphere the colder it gets

so then we experience heat because we have an atmosphere and radiation from the sun travels through the vaccum of space and accelerates molecules in the atmosphere - or perhaps it is an electrical force

regardless, without an atmosphere ice will not melt, so what causes a comet tail? Could it be some form of electrical interaction between the sun and the comet?

reply to post by Xcalibur254


I stand corrected and a bit wiser, thnx

still 1/3rd is the same odds of winning a poker hand with pocket aces.

Pretty high i'd say.

reply to post by Highlander64

Temperature is not transferred through a vacuum but radiation is. The same radiation from the sun that heats the atmosphere is absorbed by and heats the body of the comet. The surface of the Moon is essentially in a vacuum but in the solar day the temperture of rocks on its surface reach temperatures of 138º C.

You're right though, ice in a vacuum will not melt. It will sublimate, go directly from the solid state to the gaseous state. The lower the pressure, the lower the temperature at which it will occur. In the vacuum of space sublimation occurs when the ice is raised to a temperature of 175K (-98ºC). Direct sunlight can raise the temperature of the comet to that temperature (and higher, as it does the rocks of the Moon) as it enters the inner solar system.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Phage


thanks Phage

so if the comet's tail is ice that has moved to gaseous state - when the comet next comes close to the sun would there be an ice left to form another tail - if the comet is composed of a substance that is not ice, and ice was present on it's surface

reply to post by Highlander64

It is not just water ice which forms the tail(s) of a comet but I understand what you are asking.

Each time a comet visits the inner solar system it loses some of its volatile materials. Eventually everything that can sublimate away, will. This is one reason comets break up, the material binding them together evaporates. Eventually though, what happens is the inert material of the comet is all that's left, it has become a "dark comet" orbiting the Sun.

reply to post by Theophoros


I may not be an expert on astronomy, but I do know that if a planet as large as Nibiru is supposed to be was as close as Elenin is, not only would we be feeling severe gravitational disturbances (i.e., our atmosphere stripping off), but it would be very visible. Even if it was absolutely non-reflective, we would see it by the occultation of the stars it was passing in front of.

If Nibiru exists at all, it is not within the recognized solar system or its effects would be seen by every professional and amatuer astronomer on earth.

If you don't agree with me, that's fine, but stop the fearmongering, we have enough to fear here on earth already, we don't need things from outside to fear.

reply to post by Masterjaden


Fair enough, but even still would the rings still not be distrupted?

reply to post by Phage


are you saying ice melts at -98 degrees?
and anyway where did all this ice(water) thats in space come from.