people are infringing on my copywritten ideas do i have recourse from ats

Originally posted by imitator

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

this is not a clear cut case of plagarism,
the main ideas are reworded and represented with the same conclusion drawn by me,
there is no direct evedence of plagarism, except key concepts and ideas.

xploder

Do you not believe many people have the same concepts and ideas?

I used to hang on a forum with a new evolving subject... it was amazing how people thought alike. I would be careful to accuse people of infringing your ideas. If you have no evidence, then no one is copying you.

i have been very careful not to acuse anyone of plagerism, as it is not a clear cut case,
i recognise that in my threads here alot of people have had similar ideas, and they express that in there replies,
not all of my work is "original" and others have had the same ideas,

but there are things posted by me here that have not been seen by anyone, anywhere on the net because i searched for a very long time to be sure that this topic was a new idea and even went as far as looking at published science papers to ensure that there was no on going debate in the science world.


some of this stuff is highly specific to perticular fields of reasurch,
and it is my humble opinion that credit and links should be provided "even to a conspiracy websight"
if specific original content or original ideas are expanded upon.

i free and understandingly give this information to the world from ATS
i am protected by my countrys copyright laws on original works and agree by posting here that the terms are
"free and fair use" meaning that anyone can use the work for "fair" purposes like education.

but it is required that if a substantial and original idea is reproduced that the links are provided,
not only is this important for ats, it is important to allow my other works to be explored.

xploder

there is now a very real disconnect between copywrite and patent law,
from this point forward any copyRITTEN material may be prayed upon for patentable inovation without mentioning the orginating inventor or author or designer,
this causes smaller inventors to try and patent on there own ond not publish to a wider audience,
the larger companies come along and "PRAY" on the smaller companies and litagate them to death.
this also kills the idea that open source science is "PROTECTED" from people taking your Interlectual Proerty or IP
this stifiles inovation and science on the web, how does that work when the net is supposed to "ALLOW" the free exchange of information?

how can i open source my ideas in this new environment?

please answer as i am stressed on this issue

xploder

a mans ideas are no longer his own,
if someone files first, you no longer own your own idea

and no thats no typo

xploder

no motors named after the inventor eg wenkal
no units of measure named for the discoveror eg tesla
less "free" litrature avaliable without cost

does nobody see this effects the IP of abovetopseceret?

xploder

how can america change its patent laws like this without looking at the larger world patent structure without forseeing the implications to the internet comunity,
this allows people to "mine" your IP for adeas and then beat you to the punch with filing with more lawyers than the individual can ever afford and effectivly "take" the idea and profit from it.

how can i publish here under the understanding that my ideas are free game with no originating reference?

will we end up with units of measure like the toshiba?
or omnicorp?

who wants to give any "free" information only to be litagated out of innovation profits?
it is now not in my best interest to "share" my ideas,
insteed i am forced to try and "patent" innovation myself and not explain the larger context of "how" it works

so science is a seceret now and i am forced to do a costly leagal process before i can publish my ideas as to protect any innovation contained within.

knowing this how do i continue to post here?

xploder

My mother wrote a book. The knowledge is paid for when the book is bought. I guess what goes on here is
talking. If someone reads something pertaining to your ideas and wants to know the whole idea or story they will buy the book. This web site then has promoted your book. Free Advertising! Wow!

Copying anything is the sincerest form of flattery. Consider that a pat on the back, what you discovered or dreamed up is worthy of talking about. I agree people should try to mention the author's name when presenting your idea, unless that other person thought up the same idea?

Check your copy write too, in USA you have to pay and renew it at some point in time. When my mother passes on I may develop a new cover for her book, one that is more modern, and edit the book for easier reading for the masses. Some of the battle scenes in her historical fiction are just too long and overwhelming for some people.
She should do this herself but is tired of the whole thing. Anyways, best of luck with your publishings!

reply to post by frugal


all forms of electronic comunications are protected under the new zealand copyright laws
email, oringinal electronic thought, electronic documents ect,
in fact we have some very useful and forward thinking IP laws in new zealand

xploder

Originally posted by XPLodER

no units of measure named for the discoveror eg tesla

Tesla

The tesla (symbol T) is the SI derived unit of magnetic field B (which is also known as "magnetic flux density"). One tesla is equal to one weber per square meter, and it was defined in 1960[1] in honour of the inventor, physicist, and electrical engineer Nikola Tesla. The strongest fields encountered from permanent magnets are from Halbach spheres which can be over 5 T.[2]

reply to post by yeahright


that is an example of what could disapair tesla

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

this is not a clear cut case of plagarism,
the main ideas are reworded and represented with the same conclusion drawn by me,
there is no direct evedence of plagarism, except key concepts and ideas.

xploder

Copyright does not protect an idea. It protects a presentation.

Originally posted by XPLodER
this is to the owners of ats,
i have produced a large body of oringinal work that is has copy write protection from my countries laws on ats,

if some one uses my posted copy written material do i as author of the original material have any recorse to ask for compensation?
i ask this because i have read the copywrite attached to the ats threads and have found some of my oringinal ideas are being used in part to design systems and inventions directly from threads found here.

no credit is given and no mention of the copywrite is shown
would ATS uphold my rights as the author of original work or does ats hold the copywrite under their trading name and would the owners use their copywrite to enforce credit and copywrite notice.

as a contributing member to ats who beleives in open source science,
i am greatly troubled by the use of my work for financial benifit without credit or mention,

in my country nz all of my original work is protected by the copywrite laws,
does posting on this sight negate my copywritten protection,
and if i can show that my material is being used for comercial purposes would ats help me to do anything about it?

xploder

edit on 12-9-2011 by XPLodER because: (no reason given)

I assume you've looked for fine print somewhere in the site. Perhaps whatever is put up on here is owned by ATS.

Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

this is not a clear cut case of plagarism,
the main ideas are reworded and represented with the same conclusion drawn by me,
there is no direct evedence of plagarism, except key concepts and ideas.

xploder

Copyright does not protect an idea. It protects a presentation.

What about intellectual copywrite there is such a thing. And you can pattern an idea by the way.

That is why I do not post anything that is currently being worked on by myself for instance. You just have to be very careful until you have a full patent on your writings. If you have done so then contact the patent office with your worries and the party responsible warning them of such infringement. That way if you decide to pursue you have your bases all covered. I am sorry someone has done this to you though it's BS if what you say has happened.

Originally posted by XPLodER
without costly legal fees how do i protect my IP from being effectivly taken with no originating metion of its source?

I'm not altogether sure I understand your concern. If you think you need legal advice, you need to consult an attorney. Whatever free information about that you can obtain here is going to be worth exactly what you pay for it, as free legal advice always is.

Everyone here is for all intents and purposes, anonymous. We don't vet for identification, except for unusual circumstances where we'd need to verify someone claiming to a "celebrity" or at least of some renown, is in fact who they claim to be.

The most we could ever do is tie a post in with an account, and the person behind that account could be anyone.

If you're looking for some sort of legal protection for some earth shaking idea, you should no more post it here (or anywhere else where you're anonymous) than write it on a wall on a busy street corner. You need a lawyer, not sketchy commentary from other anonymous users.

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by 12m8keall2c

 

i have no "direct" evidence to present to you such as web site addresses or reprinting more than just "snippets",
or taking the information and reformatting it and representing a very similar idea with the same conclusions

Copyright covers the expression of an idea, not the idea itself. If someone else copies your EXACT WORDS and makes money off them, you might have a case, but if, for example, you write about a new concept, such as space travel powered by bird poop, and someone else writes about traveling through space with the excretement of birds, that is NOT a copyright violation.

See the difference there? You might be able to patent the concept of a particular rocket ship powered by bird poop, but you can't copyright ideas.

Originally posted by XPLodER

and no thats no typo

xploder

I am curious why you insist on using the term copywrite instead of copyright.

Both words are very clearly defined in the english language
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

Simply ...if you post on a forum...don't expect to own your words.
Dr expired has probably given established writers scores of story ideas, hey Iam generous.
We live connected to a great collective subconscious...we do not own anything, if you want to make a buck , by conning the public you thought of something first ...when a caveman , probably thought of it a long time ago, but had no crayons to record it, then travel on, have that big house, that shiny car, the perfect wife, the robot dog,a couple of exotic servants, but hey man ...know you don't deserve any thing from collective subconscious creativity?

Parasites...all over this Earth.
Wanting more than they can swalow , thinking they actually created something?
Yeah be creative(sic) but do not think you were the first on any subject.
Just money grabbers.

Originally posted by steveknows


I assume you've looked for fine print somewhere in the site. Perhaps whatever is put up on here is owned by ATS.

Well spotted!

Innovative (and commercial) Ideas and a public Forum are a big No, No, No!

But stay Idealistic!

reply to post by XPLodER


lol copyright

why don't you just write a book with your amazing thoughts and ideas , then copyright it that way ?


nobody cares about your work , and it will be copied weather you like it or not ..


this is ATS a place to share information with others , not be bound by copyright bs


Go write your self a book that way it will be copyright forever

till then please mm2

reply to post by XPLodER


Are any of your research that of your own or a collection of other people's works or ideas? If it's the latter then it's plagiarism even if you were to change some words or re-edit it and pass it off as your own.