people are infringing on my copywritten ideas do i have recourse from ats

this is to the owners of ats,
i have produced a large body of oringinal work that is has copy write protection from my countries laws on ats,

if some one uses my posted copy written material do i as author of the original material have any recorse to ask for compensation?
i ask this because i have read the copywrite attached to the ats threads and have found some of my oringinal ideas are being used in part to design systems and inventions directly from threads found here.

no credit is given and no mention of the copywrite is shown
would ATS uphold my rights as the author of original work or does ats hold the copywrite under their trading name and would the owners use their copywrite to enforce credit and copywrite notice.

as a contributing member to ats who beleives in open source science,
i am greatly troubled by the use of my work for financial benifit without credit or mention,

in my country nz all of my original work is protected by the copywrite laws,
does posting on this sight negate my copywritten protection,
and if i can show that my material is being used for comercial purposes would ats help me to do anything about it?

xploder

*Copyright*

Where is this material being used?

Your posts on ATS are bound Only by a mere Non-Exclusive Rights agreement.

What you choose to do with your efforts here or elsewhere is entirely up to You.



[TO ADD]

Please forward links to the site(s) where your content here is being replicated and/or reproduced without proper attribution or permission per the ATS T&C and Creative Commons.

[email protected]

I think you could only get money out of it, if you lost
money over it.

I didn't read all the replies, and I know I do not speak for the website. But I will say that many people go to forums for ideas, so people are taking things they read here and trying to apply them to their lives. Most of your posts have to do with astro-physics and while I definitely have enjoyed reading many of your posts. I would have to say that anyone using your work for the betterment of that field should be taken as an honor. Who really cares if some moron is passing your stuff of on another site as their own. That is pretty petty to even worry about. Copy and paste is easy. Personally, I think you should take it as a compliment that you have found your stuff elsewhere, trying to confront these people will only make you mad, angry, and depressed, and take away from your talent and future prospects. Why waste your energy focusing on that stuff when if you continue to focus on the stuff that seems to matter a lot to you, you may author the theory that gives us the ability to travel ans see farther in space.

For Instance it is my intent to write a fiction novel, I have gotten most of my ideas for a general story line from many forums, links. I am not planning on making a bunch of money through a fiction novel, but you don't usually get considered a terrorist if you apply modern day conspiracy to a fiction novel. It one way to get some points across that don't land you on the no fly list.

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
Your posts on ATS are bound Only by a mere Non-Exclusive Rights agreement.

What you choose to do with your efforts here or elsewhere is entirely up to You.



[TO ADD]

Please forward links to the site(s) where your content here is being replicated and/or reproduced without proper attribution or permission per the ATS T&C and Creative Commons.

[email protected]

edit on 9/12/2011 by 12m8keall2c because: (no reason given)

In simple terms this means, contact ATS and show them where your work has been copied... They will contact the site and have them take it down.

reply to post by 12m8keall2c


i have no "direct" evidence to present to you such as web site addresses or reprinting more than just "snippets",
or taking the information and reformatting it and representing a very similar idea with the same conclusions,


at this point i am trying to understand what protections i have for future work that may have some value if not correctly protected. and what recourse is avaliable to me as the author with my posts on ats

thanks
xploder

reply to post by XPLodER


Since I have given this some thought, I'll throw out what I decided to do.

If I have something really good, and I think, "Hey, I could publish this and make some real money!" Then that does not go on the Internet, but to either a "here's some hamburger and beer money and maybe we'll publish it in next month's issue" or to a rejection slip company.

If I have something really good, and I want people to read it more than I want to make money for it-- I put it on my own blog, under my name, with copyright notices made clear on each and every page.

If I have something really good that occurs to me in a discussion on ATS, I'll post it anyway because, I can't help it, everything I write is, well... really good.

However, if anyone wants to compensate me-- arrangements can be made!

Most of your posts have to do with astro-physics and while I definitely have enjoyed reading many of your posts. I would have to say that anyone using your work for the betterment of that field should be taken as an honor.

i do feel honoured that i can make a contribution to science and to the people who read my threads and i really am humbled by the responces i receive.
after all for me its about the science,
i have asbergers and my freinds and family are concerned that i am easly taken advantage of,
and i have produced some work that i beleive is worthy of credit,
while it is not in my nature to see attension it is something that i am told i deserve for my hard work.
my intention is open source science in a "laymans" format to enable for a wider viewership,
i would like to open source some ideas that i beleive would benifit the science community,
but would like to know that any credit for that work is attributed to me and ats

with that in mind i would like to know if the changes in the patent law in america effects concepts and ideas expressed here on ats that i post for open discusion,

xploder

reply to post by no time


after contemplating your reply, and asking for other opinions
i now understand that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery,
and you are right why focus on the copy pasters,
after all the idea is to get the science to the people,
my time should be focused on exploring the data required to answer questions
not on people who dont respect what i do

thank you for reminding me,
science isnt about the money or the fame,
its about wonder and curiosity
and im still very curious

xploder

Originally posted by XPLodER
i have produced a large body of oringinal work that is has copy write protection from my countries laws on ats,

How about linking us all to this original work?

reply to post by XPLodER


If you are talking about plagiarism then it shouldn't be hard to find if someone is ripping it off. Art work, it would have to be very similar, not just rip off composition, or parody. If you are just talking about ideas, well, when you put them out there they are free for anyone to snatch up and reiterate or elaborate on.

I am really curious as to what you think constitutes infringing on your material. Without knowing hardly anything though, I'm going to say you don't have any recourse especially since you have no evidence that this is even happening.

Two words are very relevant here.... "Fair Use"

It is the sword that cuts both ways....

The "copyright" weapon should only be pointed at those who, without informed consent, are profiting from the material they did not create.... except for "Fair Use."

reply to post by spoor


all of my original work gets posted here on ats,
you can find my work in my profile under threads

xploder

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


this is not a clear cut case of plagarism,
the main ideas are reworded and represented with the same conclusion drawn by me,
there is no direct evedence of plagarism, except key concepts and ideas.

xploder

Originally posted by Maxmars
Two words are very relevant here.... "Fair Use"

It is the sword that cuts both ways....

The "copyright" weapon should only be pointed at those who, without informed consent, are profiting from the material they did not create.... except for "Fair Use."

you bring up a good point as i refer to others work in my threads and link to source,
if the work is being used for education i have no problem with that,
as i post under the fair use for educational material so anyone doing the same is ok,
BUT
if no links or acknowlkedgement is given to me or ats then i dont concider it "fair"

i am worried that as more of my material gets "represented" it will become difficult for me to show authorship
if ever required to do so, for any reason.

i do not wish to stop debate and conversation only to give people the entire body of work as a whole not just indivdual threads, as taken together the information has more power to inspire,
without a link back to ats how will people know the larger picture that encompasses my work.

and max i read your thread about the changes in patent laws in the usa,
if i inadvertantly publish comercially sensitive desgns or processes and someone esle patents it before i can they are the finacial benfactor from my work,

dont get me wrong i have no problem with people expanding my work for the benifit of all people,
but if i get "beaten " to file do i then loose the right to deceminate that information,
or to make it "open" and public knowledge so that all may know,
if someone esle patents from my work can i still openly post the information here?

xploder

You have protection rights so long as you do not willingly and freely put those protections out into the public domain to be consumed by those wanting them. To overcome copyright and patent protections all one has to do is show that such work was done independently of the offended. A case in point was the M. Jackson song beat it, which was identical to another persons song. Because the words were dis similar it was ruled there was no offense. If one can make changes to any works, usually three improvements, the new design becomes independent of the original patent. You see this with exercise devices sold on TV etc.

Bottom line, if you share it, you are giving permissions to use what is shown. Don't put design plans on the web for all to see. That way if they take it, you can sue them. It's not theft if you give it away. You should at least state that it may not be used or reproduced in any public display..

xploder, are you telling us someone is building a solar system sized gravitational lense to communicate with other planets (or something similar) ?????

If so then let them continue, we could soon be a Type 1 Civilization!









(I love your threads BTW)

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

this is not a clear cut case of plagarism,
the main ideas are reworded and represented with the same conclusion drawn by me,
there is no direct evedence of plagarism, except key concepts and ideas.

xploder

Do you not believe many people have the same concepts and ideas?

I used to hang on a forum with a new evolving subject... it was amazing how people thought alike. I would be careful to accuse people of infringing your ideas. If you have no evidence, then no one is copying you.

Originally posted by Signals
xploder, are you telling us someone is building a solar system sized gravitational lense to communicate with other planets (or something similar) ?????

If so then let them continue, we could soon be a Type 1 Civilization!

(I love your threads BTW)

i like you thinking
if i contine to open source the ideas to ats other people with a less narrow focus may be inspired to make advancements for us all
it feels strange to have my thoughts and ideas turning up in others work,

i would give up all rights to my ideas if we could achive a type 1 civilization
after all to me the science is whats important.
i will continue to post on ATS with your point in mind
mabey the greater good i can do is what is important,

i guess if enough people see the science then it doesnt matter where or how they see it,
i do intend on posting some very interesting ideas very shortly that im sure you will enjoy

thank you for your support
xploder