Geoengineering Trials Get Under Way

Geoengineering Trials Get Under Way

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FIELD trials for experiments to engineer the climate have begun. Next month a team of UK researchers will hoist one end of a 1-kilometre-long hose aloft using a balloon, then attempt to pump water up it and spray it into the atmosphere (see diagram).

The water will not affect the climate. Rather, the experiment is a proof of principle to show that we can pump large quantities of material to great heights. If it succeeds, a larger-scale version could one day pump sulphate aerosols into the stratosphere, creating a sunshade that will offset the greenhouse effect.

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And so it begins!

Well, here we go. I never thought I would see this day in my lifetime,
however it looks like the mad scientists are hell bent of messing up this plantet in everyway they can!

And they are robbing is in the process! Milk the Climate Cash Cow!

"I think it's a little reckless." The most interesting result will be how the public reacts

These men are mad! I hope the public gets wind of this,
and reacts! They want a reaction? Lets give it to them!

Dont be fooled - The Pipe To The Sky is not the only experiment under way!

In 2009, a team of Russian scientists sprayed a small amount of sulphate aerosols into the atmosphere and found that they blocked between 1 and 10 per cent of incoming solar radiation (Russian Meteorology and Hydrology, DOI: 10.3103/S106837390905001X).

What's more, even long time proponents agree-
in the long run delivering sulphates to the stratosphere with a hose are a bad idea!

Spraying aerosols locally allows the particles to clump together, making them less effective at
reflecting sunlight and more likely to be swept down by rain.

Its bad enough that they have taken nearly all of the grains and engineered them, GMO poision and insecticides in our food!

First the food we eat, and now the air we breath!

Nooooooooooo! Just no!

Even though very little is understood about the long term
effects Geoengeering would have on Earths atmosphere,
they are proceeding with these trials...and whats more
concerning is they admit right now there is a 50 50 chance
they will "end up doing it"!

"I'd say there's a 50-50 chance we'll end up doing it, because it'll get too warm and people will
demand the planet be cooled off,"

And remember, it was not that long ago they admitted that the most promising
delievery method of aerosol injection was via a fleet of 747s!

But the option that is taken most seriously is altogether grander in conception and scale. The scheme proposes nothing less than the transformation of the chemical composition of the Earth's atmosphere so that humans can regulate the temperature of the planet as desired. Like volcanic eruptions, it involves injecting sulphur dioxide gas into the stratosphere to blanket the Earth with tiny particles that reflect solar radiation.

Various schemes have been proposed, with the most promising being adaptation of high-flying aircraft fitted with extra tanks and nozzles to spray the chemicals. A fleet of 747s could do the job. www.guardian.co.uk...

Before I close with the steps that The Spice Project will undertake,
I would like to leave you with one last thought.

Remember, Global Warming hysteria is just a way to Milk The Cow.

Lets revisit the beginning :

The First Global Revolution
which is " A Report by The Club Of Rome" in which the quote is found...

"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself."

page 84 of the PDF, page 75 of the actual document.
ia700408.us.archive.org...

The SPICE project will investigate the effectiveness of stratospheric particle injection. It will address the three grand challenges in solar radiation management: 1. How much, of what, needs to be injected where into the atmosphere to effectively and safely manage the climate system? 2. How do we deliver it there? 3. What are the likely impacts? These questions are addressed through 3 coordinated and inter-linked work packages:

Evaluating candidate particles: What is the 'perfect' particle, that maximizes solar radiation scattering, minimizes the greenhouse effect and the impact on the stratospheric ozone layer and has minimal impact on climate, weather, ecosystems and human health?

Delivery Systems: What are the various options for delivery of particles? What is the feasibility of using a tethered-balloon pipe to inject particles and/or gases into the stratosphere in a more cost-effective and sustainable way than alternative methods? gow.epsrc.ac.uk.../I01473X/1

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Very well put together.
From what I read, it sounds like a wonderful way to spend reckless amounts of money for something they claim aren't sure what the final results will be.

Taking a giant hose and spraying it in the sky via a pump? Why am I picturing a Simpsons or Bugs Bunny cartoon image in my head?

Originally posted by JibbyJedi
Very well put together.
From what I read, it sounds like a wonderful way to spend reckless amounts of money for something they claim aren't sure what the final results will be.

so how would you find out what the results might be, if not by trialing a small version of it??

reply to post by JibbyJedi


Well, believe me when I say they have spent billions on this. Just the U.S. budget alone
is in the billions!

Yeah, it sounds wacky, but I think they are going to end up using the 747 idea,
sometimes truth is stranger than fiction!

U.S. Global Change Research Program.
With its 2 billion dollar a year budget for 2011, its sure to be a game changer.



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And just for the record, here are a few of the non funky ways they have been scheming up to inject
aerosols into the air. Courtesy of ATS member Pianopraze!

Originally posted by pianopraze


Here are a few common geoengineering suggestions from the CFR symposium:

1. Add small reflecting particles in the stratosphere.
2. Add more clouds in the lower part of the atmosphere.
3. Place various kinds of reflecting objects or diffraction gratings in space either near the earth or at a stable location between the earth and the sun.
4. Change large portions of the planet's land cover from things that are dark and absorbing, such as trees, to things that are light and reflecting, such as open snow-cover or grasses.

1. Stratospheric aerosols
Adding more of the right kind of fine particles to the stratosphere can increase the amount of sunlight that is reflected back into space. This is not hard to do, nor all that expensive. David Keith has suggested that it should be possible to create microscopic reflecting composite particles that would be self- orienting and self-levitating, and thus might not have to be replaced very frequently. Sources: NASA; Boeing; www.carlstumpf.com A single nation could do these within it's national boundaries

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2. Add more clouds
John Latham of the National Center for Atmospheric Research has proposed that salt from seawater could be effectively used as cloud condensation nuclei.
Stephen Salter of the University of Edinburgh has designed an "albedo spray vessel" which would put the Latham theory into practice.

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3. Reflectors or diffraction gratings in space

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4. Change land cover
For example, when the boreal forests were removed in the NCAR coupled ocean- atmosphere climate model, air temperature fell 12°C at 60°N in April and were still as much as 5°C colder in July.

He provides no pictures for this one but I provide it particularly chilling. Since when was deforestation a good thing???

All of this is predicated on man-made global warming. A still unproven postulate. Climate-gate has shown the they were cooking the books. It was warmer in the middle ages than now, all the planets are currently warming suggesting unknown solar or galactic influences we do not yet understand.

This presentation is indicative of most discussions on global warming. The injection of aerosol particulates seems to be the one most discussed and relatively inexpensive:

The cost of geoengineering
As noted in the briefing paper: A National Research Council 1992 report estimated the undiscounted annual costs for a 40-year project to be $100 billion.
Teller, Wood and Hyde have suggested that well designed systems might reduce this cost to as little as a few hundred million dollars per year.
If we take cost to be between $100 million and $100 billion per year

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Alright then, here's my reaction:

Dear scientists,

Don't you dare, DONT YOU #ING DARE!!!

Who the # do you arrogant scientists think you are with your paper degrees and self serving theories??
Mother nature??

There's an old adage, fool around fool around and soon you won't be around. I can't wait to watch Mother nature, mother# you.

I propose we start this experiment by pumping this aerosol directly into the scientists and their families homes to first test the effects. Then maybe you will think twice of ruining my home, EARTH!

Sincerely,
A concerned citizen

They're going to spray water into the air?
Horrors! A small scale feasibility test.

Originally posted by Phage
They're going to spray water into the air?
Horrors! A small scale feasibility test.

PHAGE says it's ok everyone, WHEW! I can now feel safe.

reply to post by Deafseeingeyedog

Do you see something scary about spraying water into the air?

Its a small trial of WATER. Just water, people. How else are we going to test it?

And I thought people wanted solutions to global warming?

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I am going to go out on a limb and say I think most people are going to
strongly reject this plot to engineer the climate with harmful chemicals.

The problem I see here is that most of us did not want GMO food either,
and were getting them rammed down our throat!

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Deafseeingeyedog

 

Do you see something scary about spraying water into the air?

No, I see it as pointless and a gateway to more nefarious substances being injected into the air.

Does the extra heat in our climate not melt the icecaps and produce water vapor? Nature will find it's equilibrium, when we start pretending to be smart and add things she can't counteract so easily, she will do unpredictable things.

'the scientists' if you can really call that a group, already nuked the atmosphere to see if it would set the planet on fire or not...go figure.

on another note the same scientists as you will see in many a documentary also feared global cooling a few years back, and this would be caused by aformentioned dulling of the sun, or we could go at it bluntly and link the classic simpsons clip with mister burn's sun blocking device, but I don't think thats entirely nessicarry.

The water will not affect the climate. Rather, the experiment is a proof of principle to show that we can pump large quantities of material to great heights. If it succeeds, a larger-scale version could one day pump sulphate aerosols into the stratosphere, creating a sunshade that will offset the greenhouse effect.

in order, and in my opinion, in responce to exactly the above quoted.

bs. you can already pump the atmosphere with quantities of materials with aircraft and comes of rockets weather you want it to or not. IF it suceeds thats your green light for a multi million dollar grant. why the hell would you intentional put suphur in the atmosphere? and finally, if you didn't expect a public responce from blocking out the sun, YOU, are crazy.

i've said my peice, there are supposed to be treaties against this kind of insanity, and as always mother nature is going to be, well nicely put, karma will eat you.

specifically to phage, no water does not worry me, the most it will cause are cloud formations if that, if not only a cooling effect with instant rain, the thing that worries me and I am guessing others are the secondary phases to this plan.

reply to post by whatsinaname

As you point out, there is a UN moratorium on large scale testing of geoengineering proposals.
This is not large scale testing. It is a small test using a harmless material.

Originally posted by Phage
They're going to spray water into the air?
Horrors! A small scale feasibility test.

And if the feasability test "proves" its feasable?

Horrors!

Haha Phage, your arguments are getting pretty weak these days.

Are you sure your name is not Dr Strangelove?

Yeah, lets coveniently ignore this part?

If it succeeds, a larger-scale version could one day pump sulphate aerosols into the stratosphere

reply to post by burntheships

If it succeeds, a larger-scale version could one day pump sulphate aerosols into the stratosphere

You mean like volcanoes do?

Any such large scale operation is far from being implemented or even considered a good idea by most.

reply to post by burntheships


I wouldn't worry about it too much..

first of all..

that hose is going to weigh around 10,000 pounds..

before water....

gonna need one really BIG balloon...

Is it reasonable to spend that kind of money testing "water" sprayed up that high Phage?
Harmless? Maybe on us physically, but what about the harm of the endless waste spending like this in the budget?

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by burntheships

 

If it succeeds, a larger-scale version could one day pump sulphate aerosols into the stratosphere

You mean like volcanoes do?

Any such large scale operation is far from being implemented or even considered a good idea by most.

edit on 9/12/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Then why try it at all?

reply to post by JibbyJedi

Who's budget?

Funded by two UK research councils

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