Aliens are not intergalactic they are demonic.

Originally posted by itsatrap
Bible verses and youtube videos do not constitute proof.....

Unless it has to do with Elenin, UFO's, 9/11 and things of that nature...

reply to post by Inerrancia


Are you agreeing with me? LOL

I can't tell.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
The 2 top researches of UFO's in the last centurary are Dr. Josef Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallée. Dr. Josef Allen Hynek orginally set out to refute what he orginally thought was nonsense, but then became a believer and one of the top researchers into the subject. Those of you who have seen the movie close encounters of the third kind will have seen Josef Allen Hynek whether you realize it or not as an extra. Both of these respected researchers came to the conclusion that there not galatic, but these things, what many people now call aliens are infact demonic. These beings show some phsycall propertys but on the other hand they break all phsycall laws. This can be explained if they were hyper-dimensional.

A hyper space is a space of more than 3 dimensions. You and I do not live in 3 dimensions, we live in atleast 4, time itself is a physical property. Einstein recognized this when he discoved General Relativity. Scientist's now believe we could live in more than 10-Dimensions. The point being the 3 dimensions most people are familar with, is not all there is, there is more.

There is lot's of confusion as to whether aliens are physical or not.

Here's the problem. While they seem to be tangiable on the one hand, they exbit behavior they cannot possibly be physical. As the following observes.

Paradoxical Behaviour:

Multiple competent witnesses
Plotted on radar
Leave tangible traces on ground
Photographed
Excesss of 6,000 mph w/o sonic boons
Right angle turns @ 16,000 mph
Materialize/dematerialize w/o traces

Want to know REAL truth? Watch what highly educated and top researcher Chuck Missler has to say in his video series. He uses wisdom and science to explore these things and he also covers Roswell, crop circles, the nephilim, and more.

Before writing this off as another fundamentalist religious thread (which this is not) i suggest you atleast watch watch the videos there is 12 in total that can be found on youtube.

First let me remind you about avoiding truth.

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument and which cannot fail to keep man in ever lasting ignorance. That principle is condemnation before investigation. - Edmund Spencer.

This sounds to me what ATS is all about "denying ignorance". So before posting let us remind ourselves of that.

Jesus Personal Warning

"Take heed that no man deceive you."
Matthew 24:4

edit on 12-9-2011 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)

I think what you are trying to say is that when angels and demons are referenced in the bible they are referring to what most people know as aliens now.

Understand that the confusion is OURS. Not people from the past. What a lot of people have a hard time understanding is that MAN has not increased his capacity for understanding. The average person is as stupid as the average person 2000 years ago. Maybe more so. The average intelligent person is as intelligent as a the average intelligent person 2000 year ago. We have different languages and nomenclature. It is stupid to read ancient texts and assume they were written by ignorant caveman. If we assume that we misunderstand the depth of their understanding and misunderstand their language and nomenclature because it doesn't match ours.

Anyway, it's quite possible that we say alien and they say angel/demon. I just don't see where the hang up or revelation/epiphany is. Read the bible and other old texts with an open mind. Assume their is insight and understanding in there and that is what you will find.

Ask yourself when the study of aliens began.. and when the study of demons and angels stopped...

Read the Nag Hammadhi if you are truly interested in making some connections between etheral beings and what we call aliens.

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Right but the Op only consideres them demons non Angelic?

There is truly no way that all the races came from Adam & Eve. So what you are saying is that races such as Chinese, blacks are demonic and I say no they have been seeded by advanced civilizations that built the monolithic stones in such a way that early original earth man could not do.

I will accept that the bible is partly true, But I really do think that Genesis was taken and from earlier Sumerian transcript and was truly dumbed down.
You really are making a mistake if you think the old testament is infallible.

There really is much more to Eve came from adam's rib, Adam made of clay.
It will come out eventually that Moses's writing have been dumbed down from earlier transcripts from the Sumerians.

I am not saying that Ernest L Normans view is correct that there really is a mars civilization underground and that they are the originators of the Chinese people. But I do think there really are some in Nasa (a few) that are very scared of facing the truth about what is underground.

Again, moses did not have revelation when it came to his Genesis writings, he brought it out of of Egypt from early Sumerian transcriptions. The earlier Sumerian transcriptions has more truth than all the Genisis writing have in the bible. That truth will come out one day.

Again though I am a christian, and do believe in Jesus being a very great being. The christians that believe that the Genesis is totally accurate are greatly mistaken.
There are some in Nasa that are scared of religions breaking down because of the races being seeded by other planetary civilizations. There is just too many photos of Mars to show that there really is an underground civilization up there.

Originally posted by WickettheRabbit
reply to post by Inerrancia

 

Are you agreeing with me? LOL

I can't tell.

In the bottom of the filter we found something like what you've said with humor. Yep, there's a big amount of "casuistic" about UFOs, and a lot of "testimonies" and folklore about their tripulants. And we have a big amount of spiritual, esoteric and religious traditions and topics. Is there some kind of "unified field theory" for all that jazz, mixing all the stuff??? Really, it is an byzantine disquisition, like the sex of angels... (but it's funny!!!)

When we have first contact, then we'll have actual information to discern. At this point, there is nothing to examine for proof. The bible does not exclude life throughout the universe in any way, nor does it exclude us being misled by demonic forces. The visitors will reveal themselves. If they come as our saviors- beware, use your mind and heart and soul to discern. Pray for discernment. Be prepared for any visitors (not demons) to be as flawed and mercenary as we are, but they could also be as loving as we are- we just don't know. The possibility exists that demons may present themselves as ETS and deceive us and lead many souls astray, but it is a possibility, not a certainty. Only time will tell.

Originally posted by Donahue
if your not from this planet your from satan, lol. so if we went to another planet and made contact, they would think we were demons too?

Do evil see good as evil.

I believe that "aliens" are both angel and fallen angel. We'd know the day it stands in front of us which one we are dealing with.

People see things through the filter of their personal beliefs. If you are of a scientific bent, UFOs are aliens from other planets. If you are religious, they are seen as demons. My own research proves to me they are extraterrestrial, not demons flying around trying to get us to... what Are they trying to do? The alien aspect at least makes more sense. They are here to observe, much as we do when we find a more primitive culture. Our planet would make an excellent refueling stop also. I've noticed the churches, sooner or later, jump on every bandwagon and try to turn it to a religious framework.

Originally posted by DAVID64
People see things through the filter of their personal beliefs. If you are of a scientific bent, UFOs are aliens from other planets. If you are religious, they are seen as demons. My own research proves to me they are extraterrestrial, not demons flying around trying to get us to... what Are they trying to do? The alien aspect at least makes more sense. They are here to observe, much as we do when we find a more primitive culture. Our planet would make an excellent refueling stop also. I've noticed the churches, sooner or later, jump on every bandwagon and try to turn it to a religious framework.

Yes - I think that the church has cottoned on to the old addage that "God fills the spaces that science can't explain". They finally twigged that they need to catch up with some of this science stuff - so the pope comes out with his little speach about God creating all the heavens, and anyone else who might be living inn it too. Who knows, when the aliens land, they might greet us with wafers and wine

Is this a monthly thread from the TS?

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Am I blind or do i really not see where they said they had "proof"?? seems like some ppl are trying so hard to refute what the OP is saying is making up things and whats worse some ppl are just going along with it asking Where's the proof you said you had?? when I dont see where the OP claimed they had proof. also, who really thinks that someone is going to provide "proof" of UFOs being Demons? Its speculation, one i am more inclined to believe than benevolent aliens who really just want to save the earth WHAT A CROCK! If that was the case they might as well be demons because without divine intervention the only way to save the earth would eb to get rid of us all or atleast most of us....(oh wait isn't that one of the plans for the NWO!) Either way there aint nothin good bout no aliens/UFOs. whoever believes that-I am suspicious. Ppl believe the things that don't keep them awake at night, out of sight out of mind.

The word alien is a relative term anyway.

Originally posted by DAVID64
People see things through the filter of their personal beliefs. If you are of a scientific bent, UFOs are aliens from other planets. If you are religious, they are seen as demons. My own research proves to me they are extraterrestrial, not demons flying around trying to get us to... what Are they trying to do? The alien aspect at least makes more sense. They are here to observe, much as we do when we find a more primitive culture. Our planet would make an excellent refueling stop also. I've noticed the churches, sooner or later, jump on every bandwagon and try to turn it to a religious framework.

OBSERVE???? What "primitive cultures" are you talking about? We observed them alright, we pillaged and raped and dissected and enslaved and indoctrinated them. Yep we are real observant! I don't care to be "observed" thank you very much, especially if its compared to how we "observe". Are you for real?

REFUELING STOP?! huh?? Not here my friend and what do we do? sell them fuel? suppose they use dead babies as fuel? heh?

Originally posted by firekoral

Originally posted by DAVID64
People see things through the filter of their personal beliefs. If you are of a scientific bent, UFOs are aliens from other planets. If you are religious, they are seen as demons. My own research proves to me they are extraterrestrial, not demons flying around trying to get us to... what Are they trying to do? The alien aspect at least makes more sense. They are here to observe, much as we do when we find a more primitive culture. Our planet would make an excellent refueling stop also. I've noticed the churches, sooner or later, jump on every bandwagon and try to turn it to a religious framework.

OBSERVE???? What "primitive cultures" are you talking about? We observed them alright, we pillaged and raped and dissected and enslaved and indoctrinated them. Yep we are real observant! I don't care to be "observed" thank you very much, especially if its compared to how we "observe". Are you for real?

The philosophical point of view about the "aliens" is really interesting (and funny). While we try to bring some light about "The Others" from "Other Realm" finally we are projecting ourselves and speaking about ourselves. It's very hard to make an absolute abstraction about another kind of "Humanity" or "alien rational specie" hidden over there. Even all the alien & UFO folklore is a big amount of projections about very-very human fears and hopes, and actually about human condition, human history, human beliefs, human imagination. One of the interesting or importants issues from the UFO & Alien Myth is that it is a compelling way for introspection and taking new points of view about ourselves, our responsabilities in this planet and our place in the universe. Not bad for a myth.

Originally posted by l_e_cox
Who says there is a huge difference between the concepts of "intergalactic" and "demonic?"

I see them as very similar concepts.

Where does God come from anyway? Where did "his angels" come from? And the devil? And his angels?

God didnt come from anywhere, he has always been, which is why i said "I AM", because it doesnt matter what he looks like or where he is, he is what he is, and what he is, is beyond our imaginations and saying God is an alien is putting human limitations on him. God is what you can imagine, he is also what you cannot imagine, and he is so far beyond human understanding that unless he reveals himself to you, you are never going to know.

His angels were created by him, and fallen angels also, as was "the devil" whom was named Lucifer but was stripped of that name and became Satan. Genesis says the the "heavens" meaning the sky and everything beyond it are for his angels, and he gave us the earth.

So in a sense you could say the angels are intergalactic, but thats putting human limitations on something that can traverse different dimensions.

In WWII fighter and bomber pilots saw giant orbs of light they called "foo fighters", they didnt look like craft they were just big balls of light that danced around aircraft in flight almost like they were playing games with them. Well, in my opinion they were angels because thats what they do, they get curious about mankind and come to explore. They don't need the Lord's permission to come to earth, they have jobs to do such as protecting certain people that are a key part of God's plan. I suppose you could say they are "aliens" in the respect that they are other worldly, but again youre limiting them to human standards.

I like all these "aliens are demon" threads that have been popping up here lately, and from reading them it seems that a lot of people on here don't like them. I find it interesting that people who don't believe in religion, or God, like to claim that these so called "aliens" are not demons at all but living beings from another planet. That's not to say that there are those who are religious who believe the same thing. The key word here is BELIEVE. The UN-believers of the demon theory want proof they are demons. Really? How would one go proving an alien is a demon? How does one go proving an alien is from space? Last time I checked there was no PROOF for either argument. I used to believe aliens were real, from other planets...until I realized it is a complete fraud. For one, why would another species come here? Observation as so many people claim? Ok, well after thousands of years I think they would have what they need and leave. Are they here to save humanity?? Probably not, because they had many chances to intervene and change our world in to a great utopia, and so far they have not. Thanks alien friends for letting us kill ourselves and destroy our planet. Not only that but they take people from their homes without consent, do tests against our will, and strike fear into many people. Does that sound like someone who wants to help you? All the while they remain hidden in the shadows, and that shows nothing more than deceit. Why the government coverup? They must be cooperating together for some higher agenda. There is definitely an occult connection with aliens and our government, and has been going on for thousands of years. By the way, I'm no "holier than thou" bible thumping Christian either. In fact I'm pretty wary of organized religion in general...but yet I'm leaning toward the demon theory because when you put all the pieces together it makes sense.

Now...where is my proof? Don't have it, any more that those who think I'm wrong and think aliens are from space. Take it from Socrates: "I know nothing" because all the proof you seek is based on nothing more than beliefs and assumptions. "The arrogant man believes he is always right, while the wise man knows that that he could always be wrong."

There seems to be a push from somewhere (alphabet agency, religious group, disinfo agents, think tank) to get people to start hopping on the "Aliens are really demons bandwagon."

First off, this is a complete misconeption that ties in to vaslty different occult "memes," with the danger to misinform, scare, or frighten people.

Demons do exist, but they are certainly not manifesting craft or masquerading as aliens. Demons want to control individual humans and cause as much grief, pain, strife and mischief as they can. They do not have the energy or the dimensional power to manifest seemingly metallic craft, or balls of light that fly in formation. Demons are only let in by rituals, Oujia boards and other dangerous occult tools.

As for UFO's, there's no tangible evidence that they are anything outside of extremely advanced, highly expensive man-made aerial projects.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

You have to always consider that you may be misinterpreting the data. This is an essential part of my workweek and free time. I often have to change my mind based on reevaluation. For instance, I don't think I see in your lion/guy background picture what you want me to see. I'd tell you what I see, but I might violate the ATS code of decency. I have to change my mind to see what's actually there.

I'll say this again. Although I have posted it in another thread I believe I should state my beliefs again. The word alien itself is extremely broad. It can mean pretty much anything that is not human. So to keep things simple you can say that all demons are aliens, but not all aliens are demons. Some aliens may be demons, some may be angels, and yet others may be other sons and daughters of the universal consiousness, which I believe is God.

People are entitled to their faith and beliefs. It is when that faith becomes criminal and malicious that it becomes a problem. Most religions practice peace and love. Most people prefer good over evil. It is not up to us as humans to judge others, but to accept them. We have the power to forgive not the power to condemn. That power resides with God alone. I'm not telling you to accept what I have said. I am merely stating what I believe to be the truth that I feel in my heart and my soul. I choose to share this so you may know what I have known.

Originally posted by DocEmrick
Demons do exist, but they are certainly not manifesting craft or masquerading as aliens. Demons want to control individual humans and cause as much grief, pain, strife and mischief as they can. They do not have the energy or the dimensional power to manifest seemingly metallic craft, or balls of light that fly in formation. Demons are only let in by rituals, Oujia boards and other dangerous occult tools.

As for UFO's, there's no tangible evidence that they are anything outside of extremely advanced, highly expensive man-made aerial projects.

You are saying that you know demons exist and that you know all about them. How do you know these things? You speak of tangible evidence for UFO's. Where is the evidence of demons?