What it means to be a disciple of Jesus

This is an invitation to all of you that wish to follow Jesus Christ.

There is a cost...


MT 16:24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it. What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done."

Na im good thanks

Im going to carry on believing in Santa....at least he gives me gifts each year

reply to post by XplanetX

if you want to be a true disciple
join westboro

I go to church every sunday, pray the rosery, go to all church events, and get slammed by my boyfriend every night.

The point of this is to say that jesus just wants us to be faithful in him, i don't think we need to go all extremist and say Gays and jews and congress and soldiers and __________ are all going to hell because jesus doesn't like them....

This 'invitation' is one amongst some 34.000 more or less different versions of that invitation (apart from mostly being at odds with rational reasoning). For those having a need to respond to such an invitation (e.g. existential seekers, those searching 'truth' etc.), it's advisable to get some more product-information (extent depending on personal inclination), instead of just blindly accepting a mythological manual resting on circular argumentation and with one specific interpretation.

As an example of the overall premises for such a choice, as it stands, the flying spaghetti monster is as good a bid as any and generally more in accordance with obervable reality, as there are no claims of risky "denyings of oneself" to achieve metaphysically guessed-at benefits.

So on a cost-analysis, there are other Jesuses to follow, and even other 'gods' (or none) should THIS Jesus-version be considered unattractive.

I am imprest... only there is one thing what I missing. There are many Christians to want to do His work, but they have no knowledge about the Scripture. And they pray to God for help but very soon they fall down, because they have not Eph 6! And the devil can pick 'm up easy and destroy.

And that have to change in this movie, otherwise it is a movie made by the devil... it looks good, it sounds good, but it brings you knowhere.

Make them also understand that reading the Bible is not from interpretation of our own mind, but be guided by the Holy Spirit... and I do not know what kind of Christian you are... but if you are the same like the person in the field like what you show on that movie, than I dare to say that you walk just in front of Jesus, not doing His work, but stand Him in His way!!

Sorry if I made a few mistakes, but English is not my mother's tongue.

Originally posted by bogomil
This 'invitation' is one amongst some 34.000 more or less different versions of that invitation (apart from mostly being at odds with rational reasoning). For those having a need to respond to such an invitation (e.g. existential seekers, those searching 'truth' etc.), it's advisable to get some more product-information (extent depending on personal inclination), instead of just blindly accepting a mythological manual resting on circular argumentation and with one specific interpretation.

As an example of the overall premises for such a choice, as it stands, the flying spaghetti monster is as good a bid as any and generally more in accordance with obervable reality, as there are no claims of risky "denyings of oneself" to achieve metaphysically guessed-at benefits.

So on a cost-analysis, there are other Jesuses to follow, and even other 'gods' (or none) should THIS Jesus-version be considered unattractive.

Please forgive this man of his faithless attitude, he is under the false impression that his intellect and knowledge is greater than his Creator's. He is his own god. His argument's would be entirely logical in a Godless universe.

He is currently under therapy through intercessory prayer and hopefully he will be cleansed in a short period of time.

Originally posted by OldHag
I am imprest... only there is one thing what I missing. There are many Christians to want to do His work, but they have no knowledge about the Scripture. And they pray to God for help but very soon they fall down, because they have not Eph 6! And the devil can pick 'm up easy and destroy.

And that have to change in this movie, otherwise it is a movie made by the devil... it looks good, it sounds good, but it brings you knowhere.

Make them also understand that reading the Bible is not from interpretation of our own mind, but be guided by the Holy Spirit... and I do not know what kind of Christian you are... but if you are the same like the person in the field like what you show on that movie, than I dare to say that you walk just in front of Jesus, not doing His work, but stand Him in His way!!

Sorry if I made a few mistakes, but English is not my mother's tongue.

I am glad that you have entered into the discussion and I agree with you, the video is but only 10 minutes long and gives people a peek behind the curtain. For people that have no faith in Christ it is a starting point.

I do not walk in front of Jesus, not do I walk behind him.

Jesus carries me upon his back.


MT 11:28 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

Curtain? What curtain? (Mat 27:51)

It's even good behind Him... I ever heard from a American woman that God is lorrydriver, He can see far out in the distance, and than it's better to ride behind Him.

I put "What it means to be a disciple of Jesus" on my blog, thanx for it, bro!! See you soon in heaven!

Originally posted by OldHag
Curtain? What curtain? (Mat 27:51)

It's even good behind Him... I ever heard from a American woman that God is lorrydriver, He can see far out in the distance, and than it's better to ride behind Him.

I put "What it means to be a disciple of Jesus" on my blog, thanx for it, bro!! See you soon in heaven!

Amen.

reply to post by XplanetX


You wrote:

["His argument's would be entirely logical in a Godless universe."]

Logic is logic, with or without any 'gods', and it's generally rather trustworthy. A theist 'invitation' (as it's euphemistically called here) is on the other hand a lottery, even if a person has a need for theism. It would do well to include a minimum of rational reasoning/logic in the choosing of a 'god' and consider some pragmatic implications also.

But the present product is apparently not of such a quality, that it can take any consumer's scrutiny, but must be pushed through irrelevant and evasive maneuvers.

Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by XplanetX

 

You wrote:

["His argument's would be entirely logical in a Godless universe."]

Logic is logic, with or without any 'gods', and it's generally rather trustworthy. A theist 'invitation' (as it's euphemistically called here) is on the other hand a lottery, even if a person has a need for theism. It would do well to include a minimum of rational reasoning/logic in the choosing of a 'god' and consider some pragmatic implications also.

But the present product is apparently not of such a quality, that it can take any consumer's scrutiny, but must be pushed through irrelevant and evasive maneuvers.

edit on 12-9-2011 by bogomil because: spelling

By your measure we are deceived and deceiving others, denying the possibility that you have deceived yourself.


Let's play a game of logic.

I have a question:

Do you believe that the universe always existed (in some form of matter)?

reply to post by XplanetX


You wrote:

["By your measure we are deceived and deceiving others, denying the possibility that you have deceived yourself."]

And the moon IS possibly made of green cheese (or not).

Quiote: ["Let's play a game of logic. I have a question:

Do you believe that the universe always existed (in some form of matter)?"]

This has nothing whatsoever to do with 'logic' (at least not the standard version).

But to try to relate to what I suspect is semantics on your part, the answer is: "It depends on the perspective".

In my case this perspective could be the Big Bang theory, which I find to have some good truth-probability (though I wouldn't consider it an 'absolute', as there still are uncertainties).

And in a Big Bang scenario "always" (in the context you put it) is meaningless. So I hope, you're not trying to be 'clever' and arrange an 'intelligent design' 'trap'?

But I guess, that no approach to the wishy-washy (no disrespect, but it's just a 'guru'-claim) content of the OP bible-citation is more topic-relevant than any other, so let's see where you want to go.

reply to post by bogomil


Bogomil, Arguing with a christian is a fools errand. Especially one who has a grasp on their faith, and has actually studied the manual. I speak from experience(Having been one). The only ex-christians I've ever met de-christianized themselves.

No offense intended XplanetX.

Originally posted by XplanetX
Let's play a game of logic.

I have a question:

Do you believe that the universe always existed (in some form of matter)?

I LOVE this game!

There is no proof outside myself that anything in the universe exists. What one calls the universe is merely a picture painted in my mind.

Who is the painter?

It isn't me.

The question then becomes, do I trust the painter or do I trust the picture being painted?

I am without the picture, but I am not without the painter.

Trust the painter my friend.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by bogomil

 

Bogomil, Arguing with a christian is a fools errand. Especially one who has a grasp on their faith, and has actually studied the manual. I speak from experience(Having been one). The only ex-christians I've ever met de-christianized themselves.

No offense intended XplanetX.

You are ofcourse completely correct, and in a context with the 'saved', especially on a web-forum, there will never be any 'winners', 'loosers' and probably no converts.

But I'm not here for any such reason, and it's kind of fun to participate. And believe it or not, I have learned a lot from it.

reply to post by bogomil
The Big Bang theory means a firecracker thrown in a manure-heap and it will discover a Swiss watch!

Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by XplanetX

 

You wrote:

["By your measure we are deceived and deceiving others, denying the possibility that you have deceived yourself."]

And the moon IS possibly made of green cheese (or not).

Quiote: ["Let's play a game of logic. I have a question:

Do you believe that the universe always existed (in some form of matter)?"]

This has nothing whatsoever to do with 'logic' (at least not the standard version).

But to try to relate to what I suspect is semantics on your part, the answer is: "It depends on the perspective".

In my case this perspective could be the Big Bang theory, which I find to have some good truth-probability (though I wouldn't consider it an 'absolute', as there still are uncertainties).

And in a Big Bang scenario "always" (in the context you put it) is meaningless. So I hope, you're not trying to be 'clever' and arrange an 'intelligent design' 'trap'?

But I guess, that no approach to the wishy-washy (no disrespect, but it's just a 'guru'-claim) content of the OP bible-citation is more topic-relevant than any other, so let's see where you want to go.

A very long winded response to a straight forward question.

You would make a good politician Bogomil.

So in a nutshell your answer is yes (but in a roundabout way)?

Originally posted by OldHag
reply to post by bogomil

 

The Big Bang theory means a firecracker thrown in a manure-heap and it will discover a Swiss watch!

I can see, that you must have quite much competence concerning science and logic, considering the depth of your comment. Not everybody could give such an informed opinion.

reply to post by XplanetX


You wrote:

["A very long winded response to a straight forward question. You would make a good politician Bogomil."]

That was not a straight question, and my talent for politics are irrelevant.

Quote: ["So in a nutshell your answer is yes (but in a roundabout way)?"]

My answer is, that your initial question (from the perspective of Big Banging) is nonsense, and it's impossible to answer nonsense-questions.