Enough with the dishonest behaviour Truthers - I'm calling you out.

Originally posted by babybunnies

Originally posted by deadmessiah
What I want to know is why we didn't just give the Taliban proof that Bin Laden was behind the attacks so they could hand him over to us? Could have adverted a decade long war and saved millions of lives

Americans didn't need proof Bin Laden was behind the attacks. He ADMITTED that he was behind the attacks.

Would you mind providing a link for that? Or did you just made it up(as it appears to be...)? Because, as far as the real world goes, OBL was never charged with anything 9/11 related.

reply to post by martiendejong


In no way shape or form has anything been "debunked" by now. Nice try shill.
I guess the experts in the film "9/11 experts speak out" and the professionals who agree with them are kooks as well. Yup. Sure. Chemists, physicists, structural engineers, architects, pilots, firefighters, etc, yup, they're complete wackos.

And you post a video of Joseph's opinion on the nwo, when we are talking about 9/11. Good job. I think you should think before you post.

delete, wrong thread....

2 .The building looked like demos/ There's no other explanation a rational, intelligent person can reach - NOT TRUE:

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yet for this point, you try to prove how it is possible for the buildings to 'act' how they did by providing us with contolled demolitions. therefore the buildings did look like demos otherwise you would not be linking them, therefore that part is true.

if they look like demos then it is totally understandable why some people ask questions in that direction.
i think you made a mistake trying to prove the buildings could fall in the way you mentioned by using demolition footage rather than something that was caused by something more along the lines of fire.

i am unsure your video proved anything, if anything it just made me go hmmmm, that looks exactly how the towers fell, and the building in the video were done on purpose.

Originally posted by lifeform11

2 .The building looked like demos/ There's no other explanation a rational, intelligent person can reach - NOT TRUE:

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious

 

yet for this point, you try to prove how it is possible for the buildings to 'act' how they did by providing us with contolled demolitions. therefore the buildings did look like demos otherwise you would not be linking them, therefore that part is true.

if they look like demos then it is totally understandable why some people ask questions in that direction.
i think you made a mistake trying to prove the buildings could fall in the way you mentioned by using demolition footage rather than something that was caused by something more along the lines of fire.

i am unsure your video proved anything, if anything it just made me go hmmmm, that looks exactly how the towers fell, and the building in the video were done on purpose.

Nah he had that pointed out since the first page of the thread, still he loves his rant so let him enjoy it. As some poster said on the first page, if anything, it pulls more people to the "truther" side, and we should thank him for that, nah not really...

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


You have the unmitigated gall to accuse ME of deception?

The fact that the attacks of 911 was a false flag operation done with the specific pre conception that it would be used to anger the American people against a whole religion in order to enable an unjust war of imperialism in the ME, at the same time convincing these same Americans that we need draconian laws to protect us. it is obvious to us now when it is too late that these laws were directed not at Muslim terrorists, but at Americans
The fact that 911 was a false flag is not in question by anyone of moderate intelligence who has debated long on the subject, raising the question in my mind, WHY ARE YOU LYING AND WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH? The simple physics involved precludes the official story from having any possibility of being true. You know that don't you?
Common sense? Do you have any?
Do you really believe buildings a 1/4 mile high could collapse in lower Manhattan doing very little collateral damage? That would have to be the most well planned controlled demolition ever attempted , otherwise a large section of lower Manhattan would have been flattened. Lucky larry Knows, i bet you do too.

reply to post by InterdimensionalWarrior


Honestly, thank you for that.

A note to the OPie here:

As I have pointed out repeatedly in the past, anyone working to cover up the truth about 911 is an active conspirator in the crime, the mass murder of over 3000 Americans.There are people who are noticing , too.

reply to post by InterdimensionalWarrior


Now you almost rant as he does, dont let them beat us, we are not just much better human beings but much more intelligent, remember that.

Dont get me wrong, you are 100% correct, I just want to keep your integrity. And you got a star for the rant nonetheless, but dont go down to their level.

reply to post by Saltarello


True, we as the bearers of truth should endeavor to maintain a level of decorum which gives us the moral high ground, but there are limits to even limits.

Jesus was wrong when he said turn the other cheek. When someone attacks you, it is your duty to stand and deliver before God and country. If I have to die standing up for the truth , I'd rather do that than live on my knees to these bastards.

These people are systematically working to destroy my heritage and my way of life, they are a corrosive and deadly influence that must be met with an overwhelming intellectual attack. Our whole future rests on our ability to get our point across, and the unfortunate truth is these techniques I use are what works on people who have been programmed to accept that the winner of a conflict not only prevails, but is RIGHT.

I once used to believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy but a National Geographic documentary put that notion to rest. It is hard for me to bring up that I was wrong about a 9/11 conspiracy to my friends, but I still try. However, there is no excuse on the Internet.

I suspect some people here are too ashamed to admit they were wrong and just want others to take on the responsibility of continuing to do their own research. This is what happens when one descends into the madness of trying to raise your post count.

reply to post by InterdimensionalWarrior


I would simply make a QFT and go with it, but guidelines are clear so...
I was utterly outraged last sunday morning, the spanish newspaper, parroting all the OBL/al-CIAda nonsense, and yes, using the "dont ask for the truth, it hurts the victim's families" bullpoo. Still, I know, not because I know per se, but because it has been made clear over and over again, steel frame structures dont fall simmetrically due to scattered fires, no matter how you call it, truther facts, ideas, whatever. Together we will stand.

Yeah, I wish I could watch a tv program and just not question anything whatsoever.

Originally posted by Asheliate
I once used to believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy but a National Geographic documentary put that notion to rest. It is hard for me to bring up that I was wrong about a 9/11 conspiracy to my friends, but I still try. However, there is no excuse on the Internet.

I suspect some people here are too ashamed to admit they were wrong and just want others to take on the responsibility of continuing to do their own research. This is what happens when one descends into the madness of trying to raise your post count.

LOL, National animal and kiddy pornographic channel said it wuz muslim terra-ists, so it must be true!

The media is not to be believed and is being used to brainwash you. both consciously, subliminally, and psychotronically. You may not realize it, but the 'program' you watched was just that.

A close friend of my dad was in the pentagon at the time something hit it.

He said himself and everyone that surrounded him heard a plane fly over the building.

Originally posted by Saltarello
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I would simply make a QFT and go with it, but guidelines are clear so...
I was utterly outraged last sunday morning, the spanish newspaper, parroting all the OBL/al-CIAda nonsense, and yes, using the "dont ask for the truth, it hurts the victim's families" bullpoo. Still, I know, not because I know per se, but because it has been made clear over and over again, steel frame structures dont fall simmetrically due to scattered fires, no matter how you call it, truther facts, ideas, whatever. Together we will stand.

The victims families need justice, and there is more at stake than just them and their interests here. I think it is far more disrespectful and hurtful in the long run to keep the real perpetrators isolated from justice, than it is to allow the killing innocent people in their stead. The victims dies for a lie, the only way to justice for them is by exposing this lie.

I am absolutely certain that a large percentage of surviving first responders KNOW that the official story of 911 is false. I have seen their interviews and their statements.
As for how we fight...
All of our interests are being threatened, and it is all of our duties to resist using whatever tactics they make necessary. If it takes humiliating them by pointing out their own ignorance and stupidity graphically and undeniably, all while reminding them that what they are doing is a REAL, traitorous crime against the nation and it's citizens that you could be hung for if convicted, then that's what I will do..

Originally posted by Asheliate
I once used to believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy but a National Geographic documentary put that notion to rest. It is hard for me to bring up that I was wrong about a 9/11 conspiracy to my friends, but I still try. However, there is no excuse on the Internet.

I suspect some people here are too ashamed to admit they were wrong and just want others to take on the responsibility of continuing to do their own research. This is what happens when one descends into the madness of trying to raise your post count.

Tv said it so it must be true! I believe tv over internet it makes me smart!

This thread was a riot.

I especially loved people starring the hell out of responses they agree with as if that'll change anybodys mind.
I don't completely buy the OS version but I have to say there are too many truther members here who respond with absolutely no class.

Originally posted by e11888

Originally posted by Asheliate
I once used to believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy but a National Geographic documentary put that notion to rest. It is hard for me to bring up that I was wrong about a 9/11 conspiracy to my friends, but I still try. However, there is no excuse on the Internet.

I suspect some people here are too ashamed to admit they were wrong and just want others to take on the responsibility of continuing to do their own research. This is what happens when one descends into the madness of trying to raise your post count.

Tv said it so it must be true! I believe tv over internet it makes me smart!

I am hoping you are being sarcastic. The difference between the internet and the tv is that on the tv only one side of the debate is truly and fairly represented, while the other is vilified, marginalized and lied about. On the internet , both sides of the story are presented and the truth is obvious to anyone who accesses the information available. It is also noteworthy that the internet truth and the tv truth are never the same thing when it comes to any sort of politics.

Originally posted by deadmessiah
What I want to know is why we didn't just give the Taliban proof that Bin Laden was behind the attacks so they could hand him over to us? Could have adverted a decade long war and saved millions of lives

Because that proof was obtained through intelligence sources and methods. You don't give classified intelligence information to unrecognized foreign governments, especially those that are generally hostile. "Here you go, Mullah Omar, these are all our intercepts and agent debriefs. Oh, it doesn't meet the evidentiary standards for your Islamic court? Sorry, let me un-redact our SIGINT capabilities and pencil in our agents' real names. Yes, we'll certainly provide our NSA personnel and CIA case officers to testify. Happy to help!" Before the IRTPA, we could barely move intel from the intelligence community to the law enforcement community, the idea that we'd give it to an unrecognized government that is intimately connected to the target of that intelligence is absurd.