What if I am just a DREAM

Originally posted by nusnus

Its a dream compared to the reality you're going to face when your physical body dies and your soul wakes up in the other side.

edit on 7-9-2011 by nusnus because: (no reason given)

exactly!
i think that our dreams is just a small manifestation of how life is altogether...
i understand that there is a difference between living and dreaming...
but, for what i know is that life could be a kind of a more vivid "dream" than the usual dreams we have while we sleep

"as above... so below"

peace

I think everyone has played with the idea of non-existence one time or another. It's amazing how deep ones consciousness can get sometimes.

Originally posted by EmilNomel
i don't know if he ever made a song out of it but, that was over 19 years before the movie "Inception"

You might have grounds for a lawsuit there

I had this same idea years ago when I was maybe in my teens, just another fleeting dream but I knew it would make a good movie.

by the way... this is my very 1st thread (besides the introductory one)

thank you all for the replies

so many replies yet, there is no single flag or star


thanks for the support thought

bless you.

Well for one thing. Dreams are very illogical. Things happen in them that don't make any sense whatsoever. Walk through a door in Nebraska and end up in New Zealand. See a banana walking down the street. Then a puppy floats by and attacks the banana which turns into an old lady with curling irons in her hair. Then she takes a broom and whacks the puppy, and it cries and jumps into the ocean only to turn into Sonic the Hedgehog.

If life was a dream we'd see stuff like this happening everywhere. At least if reality was anything like some of my dreams...

reply to post by Xaberz

i know what you are saying mate...
but, life is a different kind of dream... life is real to us!

think of dreams representing the afterlife if you will...

just as in shakespeare's hamlet says:

to die, to sleep-
no more.
to sleep, perchance to dream-
ay, there's the rub.

reply to post by EmilNomel


“I dreamed I was a butterfly, flitting around in the sky; then I awoke. Now I wonder: Am I a man who dreamt of being a butterfly, or am I a butterfly dreaming that I am a man?”

if you think about it it always feel like were the dream of another, am i dreaming them or are they dreaming me?? are the people i see just my imagination yet others only notice them because i believe they are real and talking to other people, when i go to bed, is my dream what is happening in my life, then im the dream of the other me, a double cast reality of a turning world, lol i always think like that and once you think it it feels real doesnt it??

reply to post by TheElementCentiary

what i see as "red" you maybe seeing it as "blue"... yet, we both agree that this particular color is called "green" because that's what we were taught that this particular color is called... this has nothing to do with "colorblindness" do you see what i mean?
no one can ever see your point of view... even if they step up beside you and look at the picture from the same angle and point that you are looking it from!

reply to post by EmilNomel


If your serious about this question then learning to meditate and going within will greatly help in giving you your answer. It will aid you in "waking up from the dream".

Life is illogical just like dreams.

It's illogical that thousands of people die every day from no food or water when we have abundant amounts of it.

But I've mentioned this in my own thread and in my belief dreams are real at least to a point. Reality is something that is or has existed at any time. So if you have a dream, your imagining it. At least at that very moment you're counting sheep, it exists. S&F.

Originally posted by EmilNomel
have you ever had a dream that you are dreaming?

have you ever waken up from a dream and yet, you find yourself still dreaming?

have you ever experienced feelings inside a dream... such as physical pain, touch, and smell?

we forget 99% of our dreams as soon as we awake or shortly there after...
but, there are dreams that we do not forget even many years after we have dreamed them!

what if i am a dream...
a passing thought forgotten about...
or about to be forgotten as soon as the entity who dreams awakens?

What if I am just a DREAM?

then dream me again and again...
for in that dream i am happy and sad, excited and scared, preoccupied... peaceful... and HOPEFUL
then dream me AGAIN and again...

for in that dream... i do EXIST!


- Emil Nomel 7-9-2011 where is life?

I had a lucid dream in my teens. I could fly, travel to the planets, anything I could imagine. Being a teen I decided in my dream that I would create a beautiful woman for myself and I did, phwoar she was gorgeous. Anyway five minutes into my lucid fantasy the woman looked at me and said'' its ok but you will never wake up again,you will be in a natural coma for ever'' so I woke up and I could not speak, move. I panicked and woke up again, I ran into my mothers bedroom ,and woke up again. This happened about 10 times and to this day I'm an not entirely certain that I ever woke up at all. So you all may be a part of my dream and there is no way I can prove otherwise. I may still be in that ''natural coma'' lol

reply to post by allintoaccount


That reminds me of Synecdoche, New York. I'm not entirely sure what the movie is supposed to be about, but I have the impression that it is mostly a dream. But after mid-way through the movie, I was constantly trying to figure out if everything was real, or if it was all a dream. I suppose it was a dream, but I wasn't sure because yes it was ridiculous, but a Woody Allen or a Leslie Nielsen movie can be just as ridiculous and you don't assume it's all a dream. There are also points in the film where things don't appear natural, but even in life there are times where you think you see something in the corner of your eye, but you look again and it's not there. So maybe the film was playing off that. Something might seem very real in the mind, but later it turns out not to be real at all.

It's a pretty weird film and gets you thinking. But your dream reminded me of that.

reply to post by EmilNomel

Yes, I've had a dream where I was dreaming.
Yes, I've had a dream where I woke up yet I was still dreaming.
Yes, I experience my senses in dreams.
Yes, I've remembered some dreams for years and years.

But we can't compare dreams to reality unless we know what dreams are.

One view is that they're random impulses fed into our brain that're 'filtered' by our dream conscience such that the results appear less random and more identifiable. This has always made sense to me because dreams do seem very random and distorted, yet my dream mind always tries to categorize and sort the mess. It's still very unpredictable and even random at times.

Is life like that? I am not sure. I would have to deem that life is a filtered kind of randomness. Things that I identify would have to come from somewhere else - where? (where is hte source) In dreams, the things that I identify come from my waking reality/life. But if reality is a dream then things I identify must be coming from somewhere other than this random reality. I must have a waking self with memories to identify things. Is there a higher dimensional self or DNA memory?

But anyway, we can't compare them until we know exactly what each of them are.

(btw, is emil a finnish name?)

many times while dreaming i'm aware that it's is just a dream but, i enjoy the dream so much that i don't want to wake up even when it's time to get up and i hear the alarm clock going off... then i would just hit the snooze button on the alarm clock and i go back to the dream that i was dreaming... thinking to myself i don't really want this dream to end even if it was not "real"...

similarly, i have had the experience when my heart was stopping to work and paramedics were reviving me with electroshock back to life... at that time i struggled to come back to life even if that life was not "real" i didn't really want to stop "living" for i had unfinished things i wanted to do in life (like say "goodbye" and "i love you" to family and friends... etc.)

for all i know is that life is real while you are living it... and dreams are real while you are dreaming them!

the difference between living and dreaming is infinitesimally small (if any)

reply to post by EmilNomel


You can't be someone else's dream. If you were then there would be no 'you' to ask such a question. There would just be the dreamer. In that case, you would be the dreamer. Maybe you should focus more on the dreamer and less on the dream.

I wake up from a dream in a dream all the time, it's only when I finally actually wake that I think "0h I could of swore I was awake" sometimes I will aake in the dream more than once.

The other night I had the realest dream I had ever experienced, I was just walking around my house yet it was laid out correctly and I was sure I was awake because I even said to myself something along the lines of "this is how clear it is when you are awake" or something like that. Then when I actaully woke up I was confused (as usual).

But yeah after that extremely realistic dream I did think well if i was so certain that was real, how am I so certain this is real.

Originally posted by TheFlash
reply to post by EmilNomel

 

You can't be someone else's dream. If you were then there would be no 'you' to ask such a question. There would just be the dreamer. In that case, you would be the dreamer. Maybe you should focus more on the dreamer and less on the dream.

ok, then... so, what you are saying is that you are the "god's" dream and you are "god" so it is your own dream...
it makes sense!

Originally posted by EmilNomel
for all i know is that life is real while you are living it... and dreams are real while you are dreaming them!

the difference between living and dreaming is infinitesimally small (if any)

I think that you nailed it right here!

Originally posted by EmilNomel

Originally posted by TheFlash
reply to post by EmilNomel

 

You can't be someone else's dream. If you were then there would be no 'you' to ask such a question. There would just be the dreamer. In that case, you would be the dreamer. Maybe you should focus more on the dreamer and less on the dream.

ok, then... so, what you are saying is that you are the "god's" dream and you are "god" so it is your own dream...
it makes sense!

The one-who-is-aware of the dream / the perceiver / the dreamer is the only one who is sure to exist. It's the old "Cogito ergo sum (French: "Je pense donc je suis"; English: "I think, therefore I am")" - a philosophical Latin statement proposed by René Descartes. If you are not familiar with it go back to Philosophy 101. Start by reading this:

en.wikipedia.org...