X2 flare. Earth directed

Um... isnt the government testing the national emergency broadcast system this week?

The goes x-ray readout is worrying me a bit, I don't know how to imbed the image but there has been a period of very low activity following this flare which leads me to believe a 3rd large flare may be coming today. Anyone else think so?

Lanzerotti points out that as electronic technologies have become more sophisticated and more embedded into everyday life, they have also become more vulnerable to solar activity. On Earth, power lines and long-distance telephone cables might be affected by auroral currents, as happened in 1989. Radar, cell phone communications, and GPS receivers could be disrupted by solar radio noise.

NASA.gov

Generally, terrestrial communication such as cell-phone networks (2G, 3G, and 4G), TV and radio broadcasting, and Wi-Fi aren't affected much by solar storms, if at all. However, if the power grid goes down for extended periods, so too will wireless networks and cell-phone towers. And good luck switching on your TV or radio.

pcmag.com

Assuming that modern technology has fail-safe shielding mechanisms to protect it from extreme, Earth directed CME's, would be a regrettable mistake.

reply to post by Chadwickus


Actually,even if your battery on your ipod died, you could give it a brief charge using an onion and some gatorade

X-class flares can easily induce earthquakes? I didn't know that was accepted fact in the scientific community. This is the first time I am hearing about this.

Here is my $.02

This goes out to ALL of the people posting especially the king of one liners.

Can we all agree that even IF there is a MAJOR earthquake this weekend, the naysayers will STILL
insist that there is NO correlation? I think we can all agree on that, can't we?
It will be chalked up as coincidence and you will be told by the same ol people that flares and CMEs don't cause EQs.

So what's the point?

reply to post by Screwed


I'm in the 'wait and see' camp myself...

It's entirely possible that earthquakes can be caused by different things or events and just because a poster on ATS can't explain exactly how a CME leads to an earthquake doesn't mean that it's impossible either.

The Church vs Science is rather simplistic going into history, scientists can be quite dogmatic themselves. Plate tectonics was derided until much more recently...

reply to post by Jessica6


See, that was about the most intelligent thing I have ever heard someone say.
Wait and see?
What a novel concept!
So, let me get this straight.
Rather than come on here and act like a know it all, and insist that it is one way, or another, you are going to just wait and reserve judgement?

Poppycock!
How do you pull that off?

Thank you for injecting some common sense into a debate that is usually dominated by insecure people who insist that THEY,along with their several Google inspired links, are the arbiters of truth.

Personally, I am of the same mindset but I also SUSPECT that solar flares MAY have a link to EQs.
I am not sure, nor do I have any links, nor do I pretend to be a scientist, it is just a hunch which MAY be totally worng. See, by allowing yourself the space to be wrong by using words like "MAY" and "I THINK", "I HAVE A HUNCH" you save yourself from looking like a complete ASS when you are found to be wrong.

reply to post by KevinB


One of the strongest Solar Proton events in the last 40 years occurred within days of 9/11

umbra.nascom.nasa.gov...

just sayin….

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
X-class flares can easily induce earthquakes? I didn't know that was accepted fact in the scientific community. This is the first time I am hearing about this.

Refer to the comments in this thread. The reason I didn't include evidence of flare/earthquake correlation is that ats has extensive topics/discussions regaurding the issue. Most evidence points to a correlation as indicated in the comments, but the verdict is still out. Wile I agree the word "easily" may not have been appropriate, I did not start this thread to discuss semantics. As for evidence, do a search for sun and earthquakes and you won't be dissapointed, I'd recommend some sources/thread but im on my phone and linking can be a pain. Nonetheless I ensure you the claims are not baseless and the possibility is even discussed on several mainstream sites such as Wikipedia, abiet a non scientific source.

reply to post by KevinB


As far as I can find, there simply is no credible source for the seeming myth that these cause earthquakes. It seems to have been fabricated out of thin air by people not qualified to do so.

Here is a link to the USGS FAQ on this "Myth".

Solar flares and magnetic storms belong to a set of phenomena known collectively as "space weather". Technological systems and the activities of modern civilization can be affected by changing space-weather conditions. However, it has never been demonstrated that there is a causal relationship between space weather and earthquakes. Indeed, over the course of the Sun's 11-year variable cycle, the occurrence of flares and magnetic storms waxes and wanes, but earthquakes occur without any such 11-year variability. Since earthquakes are driven by processes in the Earth's interior, they would occur even if solar flares and magnetic storms were to somehow cease occurring.

(contributed by Dr. Jeffrey Love)

Any sources I find that say otherwise are questionable Blogs or threads on sites all from people not qualified to present this. In other words its like an Urban Myth and simply has zero basis in fact.

reply to post by Blaine91555

There are actually a few published journal articles which attempt to show correlations between solar activity and seismic activity. Some researchers link increased solar activity to increased earthquake activity. Some link decreased solar activity to increased earthquake activity. Some search for a delayed effect. With such a disparity in "results" it's pretty hard to find any true correlation, much less causation.

I wonder, could one of you who believes that solar flares cause earthquakes explain to me the mechanism by which it causes them? How exactly does it occur?

reply to post by Phage


Even though my old Geology Degree is growing mold from never being used since I received it in the 1970's, I'd expect I could come up with some idea how they might be linked. I cannot.

The only thing I can think of would be if somehow a solar flare increased the stress on a fault and I do not see how that could happen. Is anyone who is qualified seriously studying this?

reply to post by beanandginger

Within days? How many?
September 11 of which year?
What do you consider "strongest"?
What's your point?

reply to post by Blaine91555

There does seem to be some study but as I said, the results are mixed.

The only remotely plausible mechanism (to me) I've seen proposed is that induction heating via telluric currents might have something to do with it. They didn't go into a lot of detail on how it would work in the real world though.

reply to post by Phage


13 Days, 2001, 12,900 MeV Proton Flux, and my point is maybe we don't know all there is to know about how these solar events affect plate techtonics OR "human techtonics".

reply to post by beanandginger


Your trying to link solar flares to a Terrorist attack? Please give us all the details?

Originally posted by Vandalour
reply to post by KevinB

 

Bring it on SUN... X2, pshhh I laugh in your direction

My flashlight is brighter then you.. even my candle light

"Your a candle in the sun, the shh dont even out" - Jay-z

no offense

reply to post by beanandginger

"One of the strongest"? It looks like it was a distant 8th place in intensity.

We don't even know that SPEs affect plate tectonics OR "human tectonics" at all.
But are you saying that a SPE which occurred 13 days after 9/11 had something to do with the events that day? Time warp?