X2 flare. Earth directed

reply to post by MamaJ


Ignorant is often mistaken for stupid......but it simply means the direct opposite of privy....meaning, not in the know bro

reply to post by woogleuk


Yep you're correct.

Long span transmission/power lines and steel pipelines are what's at risk, and countries like the USA, Canada, China and Australia have a lot of these long distance lines.

Although with enough warning, grids can be shut down to prevent damage to the transformers.

Originally posted by radpetey
reply to post by MamaJ

 

Ignorant is often mistaken for stupid......but it simply means the direct opposite of privy....meaning, not in the know bro

Oh thanks for defining the word for me. I have NO idea what I would have done without this information today. I may have been in a corner somewhere rocking back and forth with my thumb in my mouth....just never know.

reply to post by MamaJ


Check my previous post.

Electrical grids could go down....but your Ipod will still work...until the battery runs out.

reply to post by Chadwickus


I did see your previous post and I also checked out your thread. Did you read my link? I think it is noteworthy and would like your opinion . Here is a sample of the read....

National power grids could overheat and air travel severely disrupted while electronic items, navigation devices and major satellites could stop working after the Sun reaches its maximum power in a few years. Senior space agency scientists believe the Earth will be hit with unprecedented levels of magnetic energy from solar flares after the Sun wakes “from a deep slumber” sometime around 2013, The Daily Telegraph can disclose. In a new warning, Nasa said the super storm would hit like “a bolt of lightning” and could cause catastrophic consequences for the world’s health, emergency services and national security unless precautions are taken. Scientists believe it could damage everything from emergency services’ systems, hospital equipment, banking systems and air traffic control devices, through to “everyday” items such as home computers, iPods and Sat Navs. Due to humans’ heavy reliance on electronic devices, which are sensitive to magnetic energy, the storm could leave a multi-billion pound damage bill and “potentially devastating” problems for governments

www.telegraph.co.uk...

reply to post by KevinB

What worries me about this type of flare, while it may not actually be strong enough to affect power grids, and will only have a minor impact on radio signals, it could easily induce more large earthquakes and I think we all can agree that we don't need anymore of those.

No.....no it couldn't. Earthquakes are caused by things happenning underneath the earths surface, solar flares and their effects occur above the earth's surface thanks to our magnetic field. Besides, even if they made it through, how could the particles interact with tectonic plates to the point that it causes an earthquake?

reply to post by TupacShakur


Some Scientists would disagree and I think there is a debate within the community. To say there is absolutely no correlation is just not true...not yet anyway. There is discussions and theories that prove both ways. I tend to think we still do not have enough data to say either way.

Here is another link and quote from the BBC that says otherwise ....

The BBC pointed out in 2008: Nasa scientists have said they could be on the verge of a breakthrough in their efforts to forecast earthquakes. Researchers say they have found a close link between electrical disturbances on the edge of our atmosphere and impending quakes on the ground below. Just such a signal was spotted in the days leading up to the recent devastating event in China. They have teamed up with experts in the UK to investigate a possible space-based early warning system. Many in the scientific community remain deeply sceptical about whether such signals are indeed indicators of an approaching earthquake. But Minoru Freund, a physicist and director for advanced aerospace materials and devices at Nasa’s Ames Research Center in California, told BBC News: “I do believe that we will be able to establish a clear correlation between certain earthquakes and certain pre-earthquake signals, in an unbiased way.” *** The ionosphere is distinguished from other layers of Earth’s atmosphere because it is electrically charged through exposure to solar radiation. On a significant number of occasions, satellites have picked up disturbances in this part of the atmosphere 100-600km above areas that have later been hit by earthquakes. One of the most important of these is a fluctuation in the density of electrons and other electrically-charged particles in the ionosphere. One study looked at over 100 earthquakes with magnitudes of 5.0 or larger in Taiwan over several decades. The researchers found that almost all of the earthquakes down to a depth of about 35km were preceded by distinct electrical disturbances in the ionosphere. The analysis was carried out by Jann-Yeng Liu, from the Center for Space and Remote Sensing Research in Chung-Li, Taiwan. Though full details have yet to be released, the BBC understands that scientists also observed a “huge” signal in the ionosphere before the Magnitude 7.8 earthquake in China on 12 May.

www.prisonplanet.com...

In my opinion it is not clear. There is a lot at work and the Magnetosphere is indeed weakened so I would not give all the glory to it just yet.

This is an excellent thread because it discusses the solar flares and CME's that our sun is currently generating.

While very little thought or discussion goes into why such CME's are being generated, I thought I would briefly discuss what these massive solar flares and CME's mean to me in the bigger scheme of things deemed important.

A while back, here on ATS in some previous Comet Elenin thread, I posted lengthy discussion about my concerns involving Comet Elenin and or whatever else is out there when such massive and or magnetic and electrically charged objects eventually get close to our sun.

I specifically mentioned and discussed that on or about Sept. 10 or Sept 11th during Comet Elenin's perihelion with our sun that such a close proximity to our sun would generate huge and massive solar flares and CME"e of the X class that would endanger earth and even humans.

While many of the naysayers and the scoffers were still arguing that comet even existed, many did not fully understand my concern mentioned in those previous Comet Elenin posts and so in an effort to clarify once again what I was getting at, I will briefly explain once again why such a close proximity to our sun is going to create many problems in addition to massive solar flares and CME's of the X class.

When Comet Elenin reaches perihelion on Sept 10 or 11th, our sun is going to already be showing signs of increased solar activity.

This is being evidenced right now, so when such an object gets even closer is when even bigger things could take place.

I had already stated that our sun will begin reacting to the polarity and mass of such a huge object and when that happens, I stated that huge massive solar flares and CME's would be generated towards earth.

Those CME's of the X class have the potential to do many things from frying our electrical grid, creating solar winds, and exposing many to increased levels of solar radiation. Based on the scale such events, the impact to earth and humans is going to be very immense and possibly for sustained periods.

With so many contrived dangers and disasters that have been planned for some time now, I have often pondered when and how TPTB could find a way to destroy our electrical grid because in such an action, all communications and most importantly the Internet would be brought down at a time when people around the world are going to be clamoring for information about what just happened if indeed our entire electrical grid goes down.

Imagine if you will that such an event actually takes place. While such an event would be critical to America and all other nations that suffer the same electrical outage, it would be a slow process whereby other events also begin to manifest.

Martial law would most likely be declared and then slowly social systems would begin to fail, social unrest would begin and without any power or lights or ability to call anyone, this is when being prepared to defend yourself and your family is going to be critical.

Water systems would probably stop sooner or later and without lights and water, soon there would also be no food to be had anywhere. This is when I suspect that survival and the chaos that comes with thousands of hungry and panic stricken citizens are going to become everyone's worst nightmare.

X class solar flares and CME's have the potential to do much more than just fry our electrical grid and this is why understanding how the sequence of disaster events could start is important to understanding that it is much more than just power outages that we as a nation have to be concerned with.

During such a time of martial law, social unrest and with no means to communicate, no cell phones, nothing but word of mouth , this is when I fear that the FEMA Death Camps will become an additional item of concern that many will not stop to consider are only being provided to the masses not to provide shelter and relief from all the problems that a nation wide power outage would create, but to begin the purge of all those deemed useless and or enemies of the state.

We have much to concern ourselves with, and in no way am I down playing CME's and X class solar flares, but if on or about Sept. 10 or 11th such massive solar flares get generated, then this is when the danger to our way of life could begin.

Think about it and consider that any national or global power outage is also capable of generating military action in the form of some attack or a new WWIII during such a power outage because during a long term outage, many nations not just America would be subject to being attacked during a period when no means of reporting that such attacks our under way.

We as a nation should at least think that any major power outages brings with it many concerns and many dangers. Some social and limited to America and some global with the prospect of some type of military attack during a period of great weakness to any nation.

This is what I wanted to share. Thanks again.

reply to post by Phage


"The researchers found that almost all of the earthquakes down to a depth of about 35km were preceded by distinct electrical disturbances in the ionosphere."




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couldn't POSSIBLY be from the sun. could they?

reply to post by MaxBlack


That's brilliantly written. While I agree with parts of it, I definitely don't agree with the whole thing. I don't think it would be that bad. It would be bad, but not quite as bad as you describe. But I enjoyed reading it immensely.
Star from me.

Originally posted by Froggy55
Ok... I just have one question about CME's and Solar flares. At what point should I be building a Faraday cage for my Iphone and PC?

u can actually use your microwave oven as a small faraday cage in a pinch.

Originally posted by gunshooter

Originally posted by Froggy55
Ok... I just have one question about CME's and Solar flares. At what point should I be building a Faraday cage for my Iphone and PC?

u can actually use your microwave oven as a small faraday cage in a pinch.

Why not just use your car or buy a car wreck, it also acts like a faraday cage and a lot bigger than a microwave oven.
And you can fit into that yourself

Originally posted by gunshooter

Originally posted by Froggy55
Ok... I just have one question about CME's and Solar flares. At what point should I be building a Faraday cage for my Iphone and PC?

u can actually use your microwave oven as a small faraday cage in a pinch.

Very, very bad idea unless you cut the power cable off said microwave. The power cable will conduct electricity during a solar storm and turn the microwave on.

reply to post by Gwampo

Originally posted by Gwampo
reply to post by Phage

 

"The researchers found that almost all of the earthquakes down to a depth of about 35km were preceded by distinct electrical disturbances in the ionosphere."




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couldn't POSSIBLY be from the sun. could they?

edit on 7-9-2011 by Gwampo because: oh I duno

Does the article explain how solar activity could affect only a small region of the ionosphere directly over the earthquake area? Does the artical make any connection between the "distinct electrical disturbances" and solar activity? Does the article say anything about solar activity at all?

You would think if there was any correlation with solar activity the scientists involved would have gotten pretty excited about finding it. You would think that the scientists (who seem to be pretty familiar with ionospheric characteristics) would be able to recognize solar activity in the "distinct electrical disturbances". Nope.

wasn't quantum physics and fact earth revolved around the sun things the "scientific community" shunned or refused to study at 1st as well????

reply to post by SuperTripps

Actually it was the Church that didn't like the idea that the Earth wasn't the center of the Universe. The scientists of the time (granted, there weren't many of them) could see that the idea made sense, that there was good evidence for it. There were things that were really hard to explain if the Sun, planets and Moon all revolved around the Earth.

Pretty much the same thing with quantum physics. Pretty hard to argue with the math.

Einstein was a little different and he ran into some resistance but his math, and Eddington's experiment got rid of most of it pretty quickly. But people are still trying to prove him wrong.

I hope the power grids do go out.

Ever move into a new appartment or house... first thing you notice is the calm.

Why? No power, no internet, no TV.

Just calm.

Then you add the TV, turn on the power, add the internet, computers... then your house/appartment feels stressed out again.

No power, candlelight, very calming.



Maybe the bees will return and people return to normal civilised attitudes.

Very interesting stuff, but it leaves that one question in my head again... Is there ever a flare that is NOT directed at Earth? Seems like everytime I hear of such flares, the sun has a target for Earth.

Predicted to cover Earth by Thursday or Friday? Neat-o. Let's hope nothing else happens around the weekend.

reply to post by NeoVain


So are you saying the only threads on ATS should be ones that bring about fear and disruption? Maybe the thread is here to educate those (like myself) interested in things like this.

Originally posted by FreshNugget
Very interesting stuff, but it leaves that one question in my head again... Is there ever a flare that is NOT directed at Earth? Seems like everytime I hear of such flares, the sun has a target for Earth.

Predicted to cover Earth by Thursday or Friday? Neat-o. Let's hope nothing else happens around the weekend.

www.pcmag.com...

Apparently flares miss too. No the sun isn't angry at us.