Whats with these arrogant people who think aliens are demons?

reply to post by Chrysalis


Except I did not use the Bible.

I used the historical documentation of REAL people and their beliefs and practices.

I did not come in here quoting scriptures.

If you trace the current image of an "alien" it goes back to the mystery schools.

Not just Crowley, but also the former vice president of America under FDR.

VP Wallace
en.wikipedia.org...

Eye Of The Phoenix : Secrets Of The Dollar Bill
video.google.com...

Masonic President Franklin Roosevelt, aided by his Secretary of Agriculture/Vice President Wallace, ordered these Seals to be placed on the back of the Dollar Bill in 1935, having been urged on and advised by the Russian channeler/mystic, Nicolas Roerach.

Even the UN and heads of state in the USA believe in this.

If you don't, no one is forcing you to.

Maybe you should attack the facts and debunk the facts.

OR present evidence to the contrary because I have yet to see much of anything other than rhetoric an insults thrown at me personally.

Have a nice day.

the grey aliens are "biological robots" that were created by demons, the watchers, using a combination of human dna and reptilian technology, as a portal into our world, like a space suit that they wear, a way for them to gain entry into our material reality. a half living, half machine, that they posess and inhabit to escape from out of their hell dimension, where they were banished to long ago,imprisoned by the victors in the long forgotten war of the gods and into our presence they arrive. the demons animate these biological exo skeletons, the greys with their own disembodied spirits from within, then inside their flying saucers, their inter dimensional craft, which are also human abduction, soul harvesting machines, they fly, they voyage into our reality and the final war between good and evil has begun...

I can believe that these b*stards from the Pit come here dressed in a silver-suit
and speeding along in their fancy Saucer.
I can believe they invented a 'skin' so has to make their filthy tasks easier.
I'll go further, I'll wager... (although it's a sin)... they'd be playing this type of
music on their craft's PA system.

The DEVIL'S Music...

To all those who are asking for proof(both sides):

If we had proof that any of these creatures existed we wouldn't be here discussing it.We would hang out with them.

We live in a huge multiverse that we know nothing about.We still trying to figure out our own planet.Maybe both type of beings exist.The names we give them don't matter.

Demons as described in the bible and other religious texts are spirits and as far as i can remember,there are 2 types:
a)the angels that fell with Lucifer
b)those created afterwards by them/him.

I know for a fact that there are certain black magic spells and rituals that can turn a human into a demon.So we can assume that demons (IF they exist) can also be from Earth.


Now has anyone ever considered what the aliens think of us?To them we might be the evil beings that must be studied,so they can understand what makes us evil and eliminate it.
Or they might propably try to create the perfect soldier.Human DNA mixed with theirs could create a killing machine.Maybe they are afraid of what we are capable of,more than we afraid of them.

I cannot prove any of the above,i just speculate.

I suppose the question is, if there are other civilizations out there, are they
being interfered with like us? The Universe is vast and that's a lot of souls to
reap, Satan and his hunch-backed cronies will have their work cut out if these
species don't appreciate the Bible too.

How would other aliens see these Devils, though?... looking like us?

Firstly, The Title of this Thread is Very Arrogant.
But, thats been pointed out already.

Secondly, i think it is dangerous to confuse aliens with demons.

An alien would be a lifeform, from a planet, that would have evolved like us, with a mind, body, and soul.

The idea of a demon, would then bring about its counterpart, the angel, which universally, is just energy channelled in either a good way, or a bad way, but as i say, it is dangerous, can make you ill, or pretty much send you insane.
Demonic possesion is not to be played with.

Also...Alien, really just means foriegn to us, that could include demons, and angels. So if anything, your theory would be vice versa...Making you arrogant.
However i know you mean extra terrestrial, as opposed to alien. So i wont insult you.
Just try and follow your own advice, and be more open minded.

Personally, i feel that E.Ts would also have paranormal activity to deal with.

Im Intrigued by Space, aswell as InterDimensional Issues, but i try not to put them together.

The Greys, Demons and Reptillians are all different units of the same army. And Vampires...and maybe Zombies - not sure about Werewolves though. Anyway, the dark forces are of great depth and breadth and are always trying out new things.

P.S. Wasps are probably part of it too.

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Zombies and Vampires... aw heck, I had no idea of the scale of this.
Their guises are many and I think it would be prudent to carry a St. James'
Bible on one's person at all times.

I know for the younger members, and the fact that weekend is coming up
-this may be a little inconvenient, but hell, it's your soul we're talking about
here.

Nice heads-up on the Wasp-thing too.

i know, how can we be soo stupid to beleive in beings that come from other planets, it makes sooo much more sence that they come from a mystical fairy world that we cannot observe in any way at all

Originally posted by DaveNorris
i know, how can we be soo stupid to beleive in beings that come from other planets, it makes sooo much more sence that they come from a mystical fairy world that we cannot observe in any way at all

We cant even "observe" the bottom of the oceans trenches. Nor the Dark side of the Moon.
So, by your logic neither exist.

P.S...How Many Beings from other planets have you observed?

Your a Troll...And Not a "Mystical Fairy World" Troll from under the bridge either.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
How can Jesus be a zombie if he's alive?

1. They don't believe in a resurrection. 2. Someone who has died but yet remains alive is a "zombie" by our modern culture. Forget that real zombies are severely drugged living people. 3. Cannibalistic behavior is a trait of zombification. Catholics and others insisting that bread as body and wine as blood instead of metaphor are "insisting on cannibalism". 4. It's far more fun to go with it. Egged my husband to mess with his Atheist buddy and run up too him glass eyed, growling "Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaainssssssssssssssalvaaaation!" That shut him up more than any other arguement out there. Which proves that it's not if you are right, or even argue logically, but that people are mollified by disarming humor than they are by proof.

Bible clearly states his body physically ascended.

They question the Authority of the Bible to learn anything from. The only time to use this phrasing with those who SEVERELY don't believe is when they WANT a Biblical discussion. Like if they say the phrase, "The Bible says this, and yet this happens!" or something like that. You have to place your words in a different manner. Most, if not all, of my Bible referencing in here (when I bother), has either been to people who have started with the use of the Bible, or when they start saying "Christians believe xyz!" Sorry, if all Christians can pick up their Bible and read it, then Bible can be used to argue a point on what Christians believe, some Christians believe, what they ought to believe, et. al.

To the rest: If you DON'T wanna talk Bible, DON'T bring up the words Christian, Moral Majority, et. al. and what they supposedly believe. YOU started all this Biblical talk by mentioning BIBLCALLY RELATED THINGS. Since you did, it is NOT OFF TOPIC to talk BIBLE. This is called SELF FULFILLING PROPHECY.

Christianity is based on historical facts. It is impossible to separate the Christ of faith from the historical Jesus. He is one and the same. The Christ of faith is the Jesus of history. He lived a perfect life on this earth in Jerusalem and was crucified on a Roman cross, and rose from the dead. These are historical facts.

The body of evidence for this and how reasonable it is requires a whole thread. Asserting this doesn't phase them. In fact, the assertion automatically biases them against what follows, even when you are right.

Originally posted by TheSandMansExecutioner

Originally posted by DaveNorris
i know, how can we be soo stupid to beleive in beings that come from other planets, it makes sooo much more sence that they come from a mystical fairy world that we cannot observe in any way at all

We cant even "observe" the bottom of the oceans trenches. Nor the Dark side of the Moon.
So, by your logic neither exist.

P.S...How Many Beings from other planets have you observed?

Your a Troll...And Not a "Mystical Fairy World" Troll from under the bridge neither.

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funny, we have managed to see images of at least 8 planets, 3 dwarf planets, several moons and numerous comets and thats all in our solar system. given the fact that we can see hundreds of billions of stars in the sky, why is it so hard to beleive theres life circling one of them. no, instead people want to beleive in a mystical man with a beard sitting on a cloud and another man surounded by fire with a goatee and a pitch fork.

oh and ps. How Many Beings from heaven and hell have you observed?

how do u know im not under a bridge lol

Originally posted by DaveNorris

Originally posted by TheSandMansExecutioner

Originally posted by DaveNorris
i know, how can we be soo stupid to beleive in beings that come from other planets, it makes sooo much more sence that they come from a mystical fairy world that we cannot observe in any way at all

We cant even "observe" the bottom of the oceans trenches. Nor the Dark side of the Moon.
So, by your logic neither exist.

P.S...How Many Beings from other planets have you observed?

Your a Troll...And Not a "Mystical Fairy World" Troll from under the bridge neither.

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how do u know im not under a bridge lol

I may disagree but this was hilarious!

Originally posted by DaveNorris
funny, we have managed to see images of at least 8 planets, 3 dwarf planets, several moons and numerous comets and thats all in our solar system. given the fact that we can see hundreds of billions of stars in the sky, why is it so hard to beleive theres life circling one of them. no, instead people want to beleive in a mystical man with a beard sitting on a cloud and another man surounded by fire with a goatee and a pitch fork.

oh and ps. How Many Beings from heaven and hell have you observed?

how do u know im not under a bridge lol

See any life on those Planets, and Satellites? (The Moon is Our satellite, it is a Brand Name, like Phobos of Mars.)

I cant say i have seen any beings from heaven nor hell, but i dont actually believe in heaven or hell, per se...Heaven and Hell are what give Credence to Forgiveness of Sins, and to be forgived means Hell would not exist, and Heaven, therefore over crowded with the undeserving who confess and repented...
...however i have witnessed what would be described as "paranormal activity"...personally i would call it supernatural. Paranormal gives the idea of something unnatural.


Also i have seen U.F.O's, which i believe to be government projects, aswell as extra terrestial. So i believe in life outside of earth just as you do...not to accept that would be quite naive?


Because The Bridges Are Mine to Troll!!

Originally posted by SplitInfinity

Uh....NO...Christianity is a RELIGION....as religion is defined in any dictionary.

Let's back off this particular subject for a moment and look at the word Urination.Urination Wiki To the Layman, urination is peeing. To an EMT, Urination is the process of making Urine, not passing Urine. To an EMT, the process of micturition is voiding the bladder. This is an example of Jargon-or job specific language that is not used in the same manner as the layman. The Bible is FULL of self-defined words (as in, by context, the word means something FAR different than what non-believers, and often believers who never go through an in-depth study are used to it meaning in their everyday life). This is not talked about all that much. For instance, Biblically, HOPE:
I Corinthians 8b-12

8b Or does not the Law also say these things? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, "YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING." God is not concerned about oxen, is He? 10 Or is He speaking altogether for our sake? Yes, for our sake it was written, because the plowman ought to plow in hope, and the thresher to thresh in hope of sharing the crops. 11 If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? 12 If others share the right over you, do we not more? Nevertheless, we did not use this right, but we endure all things so that we will cause no hindrance to the gospel of Christ.

A Ploughman or thresher works for his wage. A farmer doing his own ploughing does it for a new crop, you thresh for already gained grain, to seperate what you can eat. The Biblical definition of hope is EXPECTATION. But to non-Christians, the word hope has as much strength as wishing. Now, you plough for something you don't have, you thresh because you already have it. Generally, hope, with concerns about spirituality has 2 parts. Hope for the future, and hope for what you already have. It's rediculous to WISH for what you already have, but you can have expectiations surrounding it.

Religion means 2 seperate things to a Religious person and to a non-religious person. It's best to define exactly whose definition is being used for what argument. Or maybe those of us with as more technical definition, instead of a broad term, should have some pity on the laymen.

Don't get me wrong....if people actually followed some of the things that Christ was purported to saying.....then we wouldn't have to be bombarded by a Religios Freek on a Alien Topic. [/qote]1. No, you're bombarded by a religious freak on an alien topic because people started this out accusing CHRISTIANS of CLAIMING that ALIENS ARE DEMONS merely BECAUSE they are blind JESUS FREAKS. I've had to repeatedly state that I'm a Christians who doesn't give a rat's pa-twoi about what aliens are or are not, who's had to go to the Bible, like above, to explain things that should be obvious, but are not, and do deal with FALLACIOUS LOGICAL STATEMENTS. *sigh* The majority, if not all, alien/demon believers actually didn't start trying to prove that they were until SEVERAL PAGES IN. ( I nominally get placed here because I'm a Christian who believes it's plausible.) Cause and effect wins over accusation. Start paying attention to WHEN this turned on people. There are things that you are doing and saying that are triggering this converstation. Own up, sir. Now, does that mean that every single conversation in this particular forum starts with your side? Not necesserily so, but the other topics are seperate from this topic, and ought to be treated so.

The person would be meek and modest and try to listen and understand people of different views...opinions and experiences....rather than force their ideals upon others.

Meek braided a cat of nine tails and drove people out of the temple with it. 1. Meek is not weak, it's the choice to submit your strength when apropriate--literally means contextually: gentle--and is translated as that in more recent versions. Like Andre, the gentle Giant. He still pounded people into the mat, but the man was not arrogant about it. 2. Modest is not the sole defining characteristic of being humble, but rather is about knowing your capacity and not claiming further. It also coincides with boasting being useless.

Besides....what good or values are ideals that need to be EVANGALISED? If they had any real merit....people would be more than happy to find out for themselves...without any help.

What good is it to teach math? Can't that be figured out on it's own? Why do we have to teach kids that you don't touch a hot stove? Its obvious that humans have to LEARN a lot of what they do. Our instincts are quite low, compared to most animals--animals still have to learn.

Do animals have souls?
I would've thought a goat's soul would be easy to wrestle from it, a handful of
oats would do the trick.
Or is it that only we are burdened with the knowledge of protecting our 'life-after'
by being good?
Eve has a lot to answer for... women, heh!

Originally posted by blocula
the grey aliens are "biological robots" that were created by demons, the watchers, using a combination of human dna and reptilian technology, as a portal into our world, like a space suit that they wear, a way for them to gain entry into our material reality. a half living, half machine, that they posess and inhabit to escape from out of their hell dimension, where they were banished to long ago,imprisoned by the victors in the long forgotten war of the gods and into our presence they arrive. the demons animate these biological exo skeletons, the greys with their own disembodied spirits from within, then inside their flying saucers, their inter dimensional craft, which are also human abduction, soul harvesting machines, they fly, they voyage into our reality and the final war between good and evil has begun...

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and to realize that these ^^^ sinister and intelligent beings control their flying saucers with negative psychic energies from within, as they pilot these mysterious machines that are sometimes hoovering right in front of you and i ,as we walk along outside on a bright sunny day, or star filled night, totally oblivious to their presence, untill they need another human soul and then they will suddenly appear and make themselves known.

Originally posted by Zeer0According to the Bible he died on the cross then he rose from the dead. What is a Zombie? Someone who gets bit by another Zombie dies and RISES FROM THE DEAD. So in terms your Lord is a Zombie Jew. Worship that.

Absolutely NO evidence inside or outside the Bible that he was ever bit by a zombie or a vampire, or plain bit even. Real zombies, like is done in voodoo aren't dead, but drugged and made to believe that they died. It is funny to call Him that, I'll give you that, but there's no logic behind it because too many steps needed are missing.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
First of all...if you believe that GOD created us....then by logic...it also means GOD created our FLAWS....thus GOD....is RESPONSIBLE....for any SINS!

1. Assumption: that what we are NOW is what God created. 2. It is possible to be RESPONSIBLE for something without being the CAUSE. Any manager can tell you that...in detail. So can a Captain, when he goes down with his ship. 3. He assumed responsibility, (when you pay someone else's debt, you've assumed the responsibility of paying their debt), but the burden can still be all ours.

You oversimplified again.

Originally posted by yaluk

Originally posted by Zeer0
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Did i ever say he ate brains? I dont believe so

all zombies eat brains that is common knowledge. It is one of the pre requisites to be a zombie. I fear you may not even know what a zombie is.. I would bow out of this discussion if i were you .

It would have been far simpler to say: To call someone a zombie is to call them a brain-eater.

Originally posted by SplitInfinityAGAIN....your logic is FLAWED! GAVE us freewill.....GAVE....US....get it? It's GODS FALT for providing the conditions to SIN!

1. Assumption: giving someone the ability is the same as MAKING THEM DO IT. Illogical. We don't send people to jail for LEGALLY SELLING A GUN TO A POTENTIAL MURDERER. We send the murderer to jail because he kills. 2. Assumption: That we know what God wanted out of the situation, in the first place. Even scientist will set up a test for failure, and still be totally right for doing so.

Originally posted by annella

The Sulphur Enigma seems connected with high energy phenomena. The similarity of ball lightning and UFOs has been noted by researchers. Also plasmoid energy and electrical discharge have sulphuric qualities in common with the full range of paranormal manifestation. Transmutation of oxygen into sulphur, by high energy discharge, can't be discounted.

Hmmmmmm...I dunno, seems some would disagree with you maybe.

Considering that Demons are supposed to be "high energy spirits" it still fits with the whole concpet of Demons smelling of Sulphur. And I happen to agree with you on this one.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
While I have nothing but respect for your beliefs...as I do for anyones...I am also well educated and...."Trained"....and am familiar with T.A.'s concepts of natural law and ethics. Thing is....philosophy....and theory from people as historicly prominent as him....are of the same real life value as any person on EARTHS opinion....everyone has one and they are akin to....well you know.

Many scientist are out to prove that some, if not all, ethics are unnatural, but taught. This is still a wide randge of b.s. in this field.

People who study, teach or write about these things are simply performing a type of MASTERBATION.

Antagonising. Many Christians have NO moral disgust with Masturbation. Quit tring to incite arguments by intoducing words that REQUIRE debate.

Originally posted by SplitInfinityThe ONLY WAY that lower ATOMIC NUMBER ELEMENTS.....can change into higher number atomic number elements.....is either in the Gravitic Created furnace of a star....hydrogen to helium.....or in the case of heavier elements....byproducts of SUPERNOVA.....an E.T. craft can't do this. Split Infinity

1. Assumption: that there will never be technology that can produce heavier elements. 2. Assumption: heavier elements are only caused by a supernova. It may be the only way we've found, or that may even be a figment of some random Scientist's imagination (not saying it is folks), but we find new discoveries all the time that change how we view reality. So being this way, thinking this way, does not leave you open to the possibilities. Yes, have some skepticism when this is brought up, but don't automatically jump in with the dogmatic approach. I understand that later posts reveal you to be a bit more open than this, but the way this was stated was not open at all. If you can come across as closed minded, but not be, so can others.

Originally posted by annella
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

Really need a 'shaking head in disbelief' smiley here. Truly.

So this is the man you are on about huh?

Parsons had always been interested in occultism, but his path to notoriety really started in 1941, when he joined the California-based Agape lodge of Aleister Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis. Parsons threw himself into the Eastern-inspired mysticism and hormonally inspired sex magic of Thelema, the religion Crowley had either devised or channeled from beyond, depending on your point of view.

SOURCE

Another sociopath and sex addict. Nothing like getting it for free and on tap.
The fact that you people ( ETs are demons) have to resort to mentioning/quoting these kinds of poor excuses for humanity is rather sick.
There is absolutely NO PROOF that Crowley and his cohorts summoned the devil, cavorted with demons, etc. A wee piece from the screeds Crowley wrote you have all leapt onto. Nothing more than a coincidence.

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ETA: Ooops, forgot something important. Seems your rocket scientist was a mate of Ron Hubbard. Figures.

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*sigh*
1.Assumption: being crazy makes you wrong. Being Crazy does not automatically make you wrong on your life's work. The poor man in A Beautiful Mind proves that (based fairly accurately on a real story). He comes up with thoerums and whatnot that are worldview changing, but will have to get proof from others that new people he meets are real.
2. Assumption: Lying makes you wrong. 2 seperate subjects. A.) there are times to lie. Situational ethics, little or nothing to do with this conversation. B.) You telling a lie, something that you believe is wrong, and it turns out to be true, or even partially true has no bearing on the fact that you lied.
3. Assumption: being evil makes you wrong. Some pretty evil people out there tell the truth about themselves. To lie about your evil generally requires shame. Having studies about this mess is rather shameless.
4. Assumption: lying in one subject means you lie on them all.
5. Assumption: Having odd motivations automatically extends those odd motivations to what you work on. While Bias is a FACT, some people work past their Bias to reason through things.
6. Assumption: crying wolf never means the wolf comes. The reason that the alien visitations increasing so quickly after this man getting into the crazy stuff he was dealing with is so interesting is because IF this is not merely coincidence, these people called for their wolf, and he came in the form he chose.
7. Assumption: Who you associate with automatically makes you wrong. Orly, you associate with someone you argue against in this thread.

This can go on, but you should be getting the point. You have a dispostion to assume some things due to your core beliefs (called a paradigm). Now, am I even dealing with your dispostion being rational or not? No. In all honesty, I don't trust a crazy liar, who practices evil, with ulterior motivations, who instigates things with beings from other realms (if Demons are real, merely studying them should draw their attention), who happens to be linked to more like-minded crazies. But, all of this together is some pretty hefty circumstantial evidence against the man being right in his studies. But it's jsut that circumstantial. So we ought to look at what his studies are about, and not who he is, but still keeping in mind what and who he is. I.e. keep the grain of salt handy but don't automatically dismiss him.

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My point was people claim they see Reptilians all the time or that one of them was caught on Camera but none of that is true. Just claims. What makes Christianity or any other Religion different?