Link between Lucid Dreaming and OBE's

Hey all, I�m posting this to receive some feed back on these crazy Lucid dreams I�ve had. I�m going to try to make this a short post. I�ve been traveling a lot and it seems that every time I go somewhere I have some type of weird experience. Ok my very first OBE was about two months ago. I had just woke up from a dream. I laid in my bed for about 10 to 15 sec then just closed my eyes. There was this weird popping sound then next thing I knew I was floating above my body. I tried to leave my hotel room then I was sucked back into my body.

I haven�t been really trying to do it again because there are these �creatures� that I have been running into during my lucid dreams. They try to impersonate people I know like my mother or movie stars, but I can sense that they are not them plus one tried to trick me to take it on an OBE. I have a feeling that during an Lucid Dream if you just keep flying up you will eventually fly out of your body.

I have been having some really weird dreams lately and I feel that in each one I am not alone. At first I was kind of scared but now I�m annoyed at these creatures. I�m just waiting for my next Lucid dream so I can confront them and find out why they are trying to trick me

Another reason I think there is a link between lucid dreaming and OBE is because of this experience I had a couple of weeks ago. I had met this girl and she came over to my hotel room.(I�m going to warn you right now this dream in kind of explicit so you can skip over this paragraph if you want to) That night I had this dream where I was in an airplane. But the whole plane was just the cockpit. The pilot was about to take off but there were trees in the way. So he hops out of the cockpit (there was no covering on this plane) and starts to cut this tree with this chain saw. He cut the tree down and it falls. When I look down at the ground I see my genitals laying on the ground and a tree stump in place of were my genitals were supposed to be. I pick up my genitals up off the ground. Then I wake up, or so I thought. I was getting ready to leave my body. I looked next to me and I saw the girl I had met laying next to me. I grabbed her and she rolled over out of her body and kind of laid me back in mine. For some reason I got a feeling that she didn�t feel like leaving. When I got back in my body. She woke up and said � are you for real!!!� twice. I rubbed her on her head and she went back to sleep. When we woke up in the morning I asked her if she remembered anything form last night and she said no. I told here that she woke up and started talking but I didn�t tell her about the OBE or my weird dream.

What is weird is that for the past year I have been trying to be spiritually open, but in the process I don�t think I knew what I was in for. I feel that there is no turning back now and that I can only go forward in advancing my �abilities�. There are a lot of question that I have but I feel that in due time they will be answered. I�m not really in a rush anymore. I think that in due time everything that has happened to me will make since. This post was just me expressing what I�ve been going through theses past couple of months. If you feel like commenting on it feel free to. I just felt I had to share. Peace

Edit: I have a feeling that during an OBE( ment to say lucid dream) if you just keep flying up you will eventually fly out of your body.

[edit on 10-9-2004 by DaTruth]

Hi DaTruth,

You are quite right. There is a link between lucid dreaming and having an Out Of Body Experience (OOBE). The one time that I received the Gift of Astral Projection and almost got entirely out of my body (and was forced back in by a large Group Entity who subsequently destroyed itself), stemmed from a lucid dream. This was back in the early 1990s.

Not trying to say the same thing over and over again, but since all dreams are channeled from people on the Other Side, and most of those are not on a spiritual path, then it is safe to assume that the vast majority of those that one will meet during an OOBE will not be of a spiritual nature.

As far as I am concerned, the best use of an OOBE is to Ascend to a rarefied dimension of energy after one has reached what we term stable First Stage Mastery. However, the problem is that many are opposed to any single person being able to unite with The Light to a high extent and have telekinetic abilities -- which is why since the 1980s, despite my best efforts and despite the best efforts of many progressive spirits on the Other Side, I have not been able to completely Astral Project.

What is weird is that for the past year I have been trying to be spiritually open, but in the process I don�t think I knew what I was in for. I feel that there is no turning back now and that I can only go forward in advancing my �abilities�. There are a lot of question that I have but I feel that in due time they will be answered. I�m not really in a rush anymore. I think that in due time everything that has happened to me will make since. This post was just me expressing what I�ve been going through theses past couple of months. If you feel like commenting on it feel free to. I just felt I had to share. Peace

As you spiritually progress, you will find it harder and harder to Astral Project. My suggestion to you is to pursue Remote Viewing or Intuitive Intelligence in general, without an OOBE. This is a safer route.

Secondly, learn how to do Chakra Radiance (www.chakraradiance.com) and do it on a daily basis henceforth. You are already open psychically. As you progress in Radiance, this will only increase and with better spirits than those common spirits you are encountering in your lucid dreams.

I will be offline from the forum after tonight until Saturday. Regardless, feel free to e-mail me on this and related issues as I will still check my e-mail every night.

WOW! That has got to be the most interesting thing I've read in AGES! I've had plenty of lucid dreaming but was never able to Astrally project! I have a question though. I heard you can astrally project over long distances if you do it properly right? Well the other day I was chatting to my mother and she says that she keeps dreaming about one particular house.She says shes dreamt about it ever since she was a child and she knows every nook and cranny like the back of her hand. Lots of people have repeat dreaming....but get this.....she says she knows when she's gonna visit the house before she's even entirely asleep. She knows the house so well that when somebody moves a painting in it, she gets very irritated and annoyed. What do you guys think?

Hi Seeking Soul,

Being able to AP is a Gift of the Spirit, so don't take it hard in not being able to get out via a lucid dream.

You would improve your chances of AP in a lucid dream if you prayed for the Gift to be given to you in your sleep.

Yes, once you are out, you can AP over vast distances.

One possibility about your mother's "dream house" is that she lived in it in a former incarnation. That is why she is so attached to it and that is why she is irritated when something within it is changed.

The other possibility is that the "dream house" is in the Spirit. It is the dwellling of thought that she and her friends lived in before she entered her current body.

Thats an intreresting theory. Both my mother and I are uniform christians so technically we dont believe in re-incarnation, but I'm starting to doubt a little because of things my mother (who has always been a very strict christian) says. She told me once that she had a strange feeling that the house was in Germany, and on a seperate occasion she told me that, for some reason, she had eerie feelings of familiarity when she watched programmes or read articles about the holocaust. I know my mother has always identified very strongly with the Jews and I'm starting to wonder whether maybe, in a past life, she was a Jew that died during Hitlers reign in Germany?
Its all just speculation though, if I told my mother these things she'd be likely to die of horror

Hi Seeking Soul,

TSOL confirms that your mother's last life was as a persecuted Jew in Germany during Hitler's reign of terror. So the first possibility that I mentioned appears to be the correct one.

Many if not most early Christians believed in the doctrine of reincarnation.

In 533 AD, Roman Emperor Justinian decided to order all references to a belief in reincarnation erased from the Bible. Henceforth, anyone who espoused reincarnation faced governmental persecution. That is why the doctrine of reincarnation is not part of current Christendom as it was among many if not most early Christians. Despite church censorship, some groups continued to believe in it and teach it secretly.

There are a number of really good reference books on the topic that you might want to investigate:

Lifetimes: True Accounts of Reincarnation, by Frederick Lenz, Ph.D.

Life Between Life by Joel L. Whitton, M.D., Ph.D. & Joe Fisher

Reincarnation And The Interim Between Lives by E. Arthur Winkler, Th.D., Ph.D.

The last author was a Bible scholar, Christian pastor, as well as the founder and President of St. John's University in Louisiana. To get his book you need to call the University directly: (225) 294-2129.

Sorry, but what's TSOL?
I had no idea about the censorship thing! I shall definitely try and get hold of one of the books you mentioned Paul_Richard, thank you.

DaTruth: One thing though, that worries me about your OBE's is all these creatures that are trying to trick you! Surely that cant be good!Do you think they're evil?

I'm terribly curious abot AP, and generally I'm very receptive to dreams. I always remember them, and I lucid dream quite often. I think I may even have been on the brink of actually doing it once. I woke up in the night and went back to sleep, I was beginning a lucid dream when i heard sounds in my head like that of an untuned radio or TV. I remember getting irritated by the sound cos I was trying to focus on directing my dream. Then it felt like someone had put a weight on my ribcage. I knew I was sort of asleep and I'd never had that before so I got a fright and woke up. I figured I was just dreaming, or that perhaps the weight was due to a spot of sleep apnia. I thought no more of it until I came across this site where it made me start to wonder.

Do you think I was just dreaming, or was it real?
If it IS real I'm terrified that something'll go wrong and I'll be stuck outside my physical body in a kind of limbo forever. Is this possible?

Hi Seeking Soul,

Originally posted by Seeking Soul
Sorry, but what's TSOL?

The Spirit Guides for Solist Mystics. It stands for The Society Of Light.

Originally posted by Seeking Soul
I had no idea about the censorship thing! I shall definitely try and get hold of one of the books you mentioned Paul_Richard, thank you.

You're welcome. There is a specific reference to Roman Emperor Justinian omitting reincarnation from the Bible in the book, Life Between Life.

Originally posted by Seeking Soul

If it IS real I'm terrified that something'll go wrong and I'll be stuck outside my physical body in a kind of limbo forever. Is this possible?

You can't be stuck outside of your physical body indefinitely. Either your body dies and you go into The Light or you go back into the flesh.

I'm curious. If you are lucid dreaming, then how do you know if you are suddenly doing astral projection? Are you like a ghost when you are doing astral projection? I mean can other people see you as if you were a ghost? Do you feel awake or feel more like it's a dream?

Is it possible to do astral projection and not even realize what you are doing? I'm a bit unclear of what the difference between OBE and AP are.

I cannot do any of them



Oh well, have to keep trying

Originally posted by orionthehunter
I'm curious. If you are lucid dreaming, then how do you know if you are suddenly doing astral projection? Are you like a ghost when you are doing astral projection? I mean can other people see you as if you were a ghost? Do you feel awake or feel more like it's a dream?

Is it possible to do astral projection and not even realize what you are doing? I'm a bit unclear of what the difference between OBE and AP are.

Lucid dreaming, by definition, is when you are awake and your body is asleep. You may feel a floating sensation, a feeling of flying, the energy of ascension, etc., but it is unmistakable when you Astral Project from the body.

Spirit, entity, discarnate, etc., are all synonymous. I avoid using the word, ghost, because it is more a fabrication of fiction than an accurate conception of people on the Other Side. A discarnate is generally optically invisible to those in the flesh, unless an image of it is telepathically projected (channeled) into someone inhabiting a body. We are all constantly surrounded by discarnates. Once in a while they may make their presence known. There are more people in the Spirit than in the flesh at any given time.

When you are truly Astral Projecting, the experience is as real as being awake. This is how you can tell the difference, along with the incredible freedom, The Light, meetings with people on the Other Side, etc.

Hey, this is the experience that all of us will have when our bodies shut down. But it is nice to occasionally contemplate going home to the primary reality.

It's humorous, but many on the Other Side consider those in bodies to be the truly "dead" ones -- not the other way around.

Is it possible to speak / be seen when in Astral Projection by people who are in their bodys

Is this a will feature or not?

Also is it possible to speak and people hear you (I hear it works the same way as a ghost does which is a no)

The universal language of Spirit is telepathy. For those in the flesh, the ability to hear telepathic messages, called clairaudience, stems from the 5th or Throat Chakra.

In order to be "seen" when in the Spirit or "speak" to someone in the flesh, you have to project your energy into the incarnate person. This takes practice and if you are on an evil path it will be difficult to gather enough energy to do this unless you combine your soul energy with others into a Group Entity -- which occurs constantly in the Lower Realms.

The best approach is to first venture into The Light to a comfortable level of energy, then carefully use that energy for telepathic communication to someone in the flesh. The more advanced the soul, the further it can Ascend into The Light.

Those in bodies cannot see spirits/discarnates unless discarnates project to them the energy of that higher awareness.



[edit on 7-9-2004 by Paul_Richard]

I�m new to this forum and am interested in whatever you can tell me regarding my experiences with OBE.

This has happened numerous times, with no particular reason as to why. As I lie in bed I seem to drift off to a loud noise in my head. As the noise gets louder I feel myself being torn (for lack of a better word) from my body. I become aware of my surroundings and realize I am outside of my body and am able to go it seems anywhere in almost no time.

Several times I�ve ended up at the home of a particular friend. While all of the visits are similar I�ll describe one trip. She was in her kitchen getting things ready for the following day. I see her and begin getting pulled toward her. Next thing I know I�m looking down at her hands fixing a lunch box. I hear her voice say �Oh my gosh� which is funny because it�s what I was thinking.

Realizing something is amiss I walk down the hall to her bathroom and look in the mirror. It�s her looking back at me. Now I�m a normal heterosexual male with no desire to be female. When these dreams first happened I�d panic and end up back in my bed. Now I just think, �Ok get me out of here� and slowly I return. Once I even took her dog for a walk before returning. There is nothing sexual about this, I never �look� at her or anything.

Now here�s the really strange part. Without telling her she collaborates much of this. We�re were all talking once and with regard to the above example she was saying how she was in her kitchen and the next thing she knew she was in her bathroom in front of the mirror having no idea how she was there. When I walked the dog she told us the next day of how she had �lost time� and during the evening and a neighbor asked why she had walked the dog twice the previous evening.

I have no knowledge of anything like this and I�m not joking about this. Anyone have any idea what�s going on?

Hi Brawlie,

That is a most unusual OOBE you are describing.

Two things right off...

One, you are given a Gift to Astral Project by a group of people on the Other Side.

Two, you are being manipulated by them to do what you do when out.

Suggestions:

Pray daily for Protection, Guidance and Healing.

Pray also that your Gift of Astral Projection, when it is given, is utilized for the greater good.

When you do leave your body, Radiate White Light and sincerely ask for helpful, higher awareness that you can bring back with you to those in the flesh. Higher awareness like warnings about upcoming events, health concerns, natural disasters, etc.

Keep a log of everything you learn about on the Other Side.

I suppose I am still wondering how you can tell if you are lucid dreaming or doing astral projection if both seem real to you. I know with lucid dreaming you can do pretty much whatever you want to do but I suppose with astral projection you are just sightseeing around.

I remember having one dream where I was looking around inside someone else's house and I'm not sure why but I think I remember walking inside of a dark bedroom. I think of this as nothing but a dream but there was a woman in the bedroom who acted like she saw a ghost (me) and screamed and that made me wake up. That scream was enough to wake up the dead. I suppose because of that dream I was wondering if it's possible to be seen and appear as a ghost. I don't usually have that happen in my dreams and was wondering if it's considered possible within the astral projection world.

orionthehunter,

It is possible to be seen as a ghost, but someone on the Other Side must be projecting that awareness of you into someone in the flesh. If that were not the case, then all of us, all the time, would see spirits everywhere. My bet is that those who gave you the Gift to Astral Project also enabled the woman to "see" you in the Spirit.

Generally speaking, the way you can tell between a lucid dream and an OOBE is because the latter feels as real as waking consciousness is in the body. Additionally, there is much more freedom. You can soar into the clouds and even into outer space if you so desire and see the world from afar. Not so in most dreams. Furthermore, dream vision is generally not as clear as during an OOBE.

Next time you are out, try to get information that you can validate when you are back in. For example, there are cases of OOBE's whereby those who are astral projecting venture to a house party of someone they know, and then describe in detail what was said there by the incarnate attendees, to then have those details validated after they have come back into the flesh.



[edit on 7-9-2004 by Paul_Richard]

Geez thats fascinating, but then astral projection could be a very powerful tool indeed. YOu could venture into the white house and find out all of their secrets and nobody would know. It would mean no privacy or secrecy of any kind.

One nore question. I've heard sometimes you encounter creatures/beings on the astral plane. Is this true and if so, doesnt it freak you out?

Hi Seeking Soul,

It is not so easy to spy on governmental facilities, as there are many people on the Other Side who block such endeavors, for obvious reasons.

The "creatures" one finds when projecting are no different than the common spirits one bumps into in the normal course of incarnate life here.

Originally posted by Seeking Soul
DaTruth: One thing though, that worries me about your OBE's is all these creatures that are trying to trick you! Surely that cant be good!Do you think they're evil?

Sorry I wasn�t clear in my post. The reason I said that there was a link between lucid dreading and OBE's is because the OBE's happened after the dreams.