Turkey navy to escort aid ships to Palestinians in Gaza

reply to post by backinblack


What a complete joke your statements are. Aside the nuclear power Israel is one of the most war-experienced armies in the world.

They fought and beat the Arab and Muslim countries 4 times in an all out war. Usually it’s been 4-5 Muslim nations against 1 (Israel). And israel was outnumbered 10/1 in army personnel and soldiers.

Here is just one example:
Six-Day War (June 1967) - Fought between Israel and Arab neighbors Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The nations of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Algeria and others also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces. Following the war, the territory held by Israel expanded significantly ("The Purple Line") : The West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, Golan Heights from Syria, Sinai and Gaza from Egypt.

As for Turkey if they even try to attack Israel or interfere they will loose and Israel will wipe the floor with them just as they do with all the Arab and Muslim countries in the Past.

It will take surrounding Arab countries 100 years to be even close to Israel in military strength, technological and social modernization. Most of the countries around them are third world, dictator ruled primitive religious nations.

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by circuitsports

 

What other Jewish states besides Israel are there?

Ahhhh Thats Simple

United States of America (unofficial that is )

Dont Believe Me ! Right from themselves !

( www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org)
Roots of the U.S.-Israel Relationship
By Mitchell G. Bard
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...

America's Support for Zionism
Endorsing The Balfour Declaration
The Campaign for Partition
A Historical Commitment to Israel

The Index to the Site !

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...

U.S.-Israel Relations: A Special Alliance
By Mitchell Bard
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...


U.S. Cooperation with Israel by State
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...

And so it begins. Turkey is just one of the growing number of countries to join the ranks against Israel. China and Russia top the list! Man I don’t think any country has ever done a better job at spreading hate for its citizens.

reply to post by stumason


It really depends on who the aggressor is i think.

Israel will probably be true to type and be the aggressor in a situation like this, so i would assume they would have to propagandise their part in starting the fighting to the hilt to gain support from the UK or US, or they will create a home grown false flag operation on their own civilians to attempt to garner sympathy and military support that way.

NATO will remain neutral, unless it escalates beyond a skirmish.

The Arab nations would never look at Europe with a view to war, Israel yes, Europe no.

What’s turkey going to do? Send over a pontoon boat or two? I’m so very scared for that region. (Sarcasm)

reply to post by Haxsaw


Uh huh... The dual nature of the Israeli... cry foul and invoke the law whilst holding a loaded pistol behind their back (just in case). They been duping Americans forever with that same dual nature. You see, here in America, we are taught to believe that we are not all equally created human beings. They are the chosen race (Jews), and we are the undeserving (Gentiles) . We think that Jesus was the messiah and dismiss that they don't. We have to defend them against all comers no matter what they do or else we won't get to Jew heaven. What a crock.

Kinda like having a big brother to hang back while you bully all the other kids on the block. The rest of the region knows this and keeps their distance. I think this is the only reason they do. a billion sworn enemies surround that tiny nation and just mostly watch as Israel flails like a punk kid at their charges like a spoiled little brat. They are going to get it sooner or later if they keep it up. Nobody likes a brat. Good riddance...

reply to post by CountDrac

What a complete joke your statements are. Aside the nuclear power Israel is one of the most war-experienced armies in the world.

Which ones would they be??

As usual you are vague and misleading...

reply to post by Vitchilo


The issues between Israel and Palestine are about the fact that when Yasser Arafat died the disgusting gangs of murderous callous dogs took over the country. The Hamas and Hezbollah became the ruling parties and their leadership stems from the Muslim Brotherhood which was started in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood has always hated Jews and the way in which extremist Muslims hate the Jews actually comes from Nazi, Germany. During World War II the Nazis pretended to have peace with Muslims by attempting to unite them against the Jews by paying Muslim radio show hosts to portray Jews as blood drinking baby killers. Even in America there was a lot of anti-Semitism and that is how far reaching the Nazi propaganda was at that time, and is still alive today through Muslim terrorist gangs. The old leader of Afghanistan, Mohammed Atta, is considered to be the leader of the Anti Jewish and Muslim religious domination of the world. And world domination is his goal. The president of Iran has repeatedly called for the Jews to be completely wiped off the face of the earth and that is why it is important for them to not have access to nuclear weapons. If you think that anyone after all the Jews have been through will stand by and watch them be killed again you are an idiot. The Jews will not be bullied ever again. Trust me. Since the death of Christ the Jews have dealt with major persecution at the hands of many different peoples. Did you know that after Yasser Arafat died the Hamas lined up all of his followers and marched them down the streets with their shirts pulled over their heads and hung them one by one? Have you not seen the video of the Hamas murdering everyone attending an outdoor wedding in Palestine simply because they were playing music and dancing in public? Do you not take Mahmoud Ahmadinejad threats towards Israel seriously? Those threats don't stem from Israel not allowing aid into Palestine they stem from the hate that the Nazis started. So when you talk about other countries putting Israel in danger you need to consider the facts. This war is an age old war and the people behind both sides have their own agendas. The agenda of the extremist Muslims is obvious if you listen to the words that come out of their mouths. Their intent is to wipe Jews off of the planet and so they disrupt every chance at peace they can get their dirty bombs on. If Turkey thinks that the Jews can be pushed around and that they are supposed to just accept the terrorist threats and attacks and pretend they never happened. Then they will find themselves at war with a for they cannot defeat. I've been reading Above Top Secret since the beginning of 2001 when I had a contract job with Boeing and spent most of my time on the internet due to the lack of work. Until now I have never had an account. I cannot stand to see all of this Anti-Jewish crud that many of you believe. I don't understand how a website like this one that purports to stand on freedom of information has so many users that ignore the rhetoric that the Iranian government and other extremist Muslims have been pushing for years now. Again I say that hate doesn't come from the Jews not allowing aid into Palestine. It comes from the Nazis and you are aligning yourselves with their propaganda hopefully without realizing it. This great war has already been started in the economic world and soon it will go beyond economics. I suggest you make sure you do your research and decide which side is associated with true evil and which side is not blameless but also at least stands for freedom. If Canada or Mexico were firing missiles into the US do you think our government would allow that without firing back? Would not you yourselves feel called to protect our country? Grow up and start reading what is really happening instead of spreading lies and more hate of the Jews. For thousands of years the Jews have been persecuted and even at the hands of the Christians along the way. So please I beg you. Read about the Muslim Brotherhood and the hate and lies they spread about the Jews. Please do as this website says and deny ignorance. Don't get mad at me for doing the reading and studying for you. If you believe differently do your research and come back to me with your answer instead of simply denying what I have told you without having at least looked into it. Trust me when I say to you the Jews will not be bullied again. Ever. Not by Turkey, Not by Iran, not by Mohammed Atta, and definitely not by the misinformed. It is not all Muslims that hate the Jews or America. It is the extremists. I am not anti Muslim and I am a follower of Christ. I do not call myself Christian because Jesus was not a Christian. Jesus did not come here to promote hate. He promoted forgiveness and love and taking care of widows and orphans. Jesus would forgive the Lockerbie bomber if he asked.

reply to post by Gorsebeacon

The Muslim Brotherhood has always hated Jews and the way in which extremist Muslims hate the Jews actually comes from Nazi, Germany.

Wheeeewww.

I thought Muslim hate for Jews was around a lot longer that Nazi Germany.

I am not anti Muslim and I am a follower of Christ. I do not call myself Christian because Jesus was not a Christian.

Wheeeewwww !!!!

reply to post by CountDrac


Israel was never outnumber 10 to 1 (military personal) in any war. That is a completely baseless lie. You are openly lying. I suggest you read this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com... and stick your propaganda where it belongs.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


Gee, I don't think they like facts..

But also, it was 50 years ago...
Things DO change...

Am I the only one that finds it funny that on all these forums where its someone vs Israel, you all of a sudden have a plethora of diehard Israeli supporters that are newly registered coming to defend the Israeli war machine?

Ah gotta love the Israeli propaganda machine.

Its like they have a daily newsletter going out to rally people to defend the motherland against forums that give Israel a bad name.

O wait they do

Proof of Israeli propaganda

reply to post by demoncleaner


Between now and the Palestine vote expect to see a LOT more..

Funny how that happens..

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
reply to post by CountDrac

 

Israel was never outnumber 10 to 1 (military personal) in any war. That is a completely baseless lie. You are openly lying. I suggest you read this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com... and stick your propaganda where it belongs.

No the number was actually 5 to 1 during the Arab Israeli war. Israel managed to get 100,000 troops deployed reservists would have been activated but they ran out of time. Egypt: 240,000 troops and Syria, Jordan, and Iraq another 307,000 for a total of 547,000 vs Israels 100,000. Now its not 10 to 1 but the odds didn't look good for Israel throw in tanks and the numbers got even worse for them.

This is real bad.Turkey forcing a confrontation with Israel.These warships off their coast will drive the israelis crazy.Of course they will be attacked and sunk.

Turkey has already started their ``Plan B``...

40 Israelis detained, questioned in Istanbul airport

Forty Israelis passengers were detained for questioning by Turkish police in Istanbul's Ataturk Airport on Monday morning.

The Israelis had their passports confiscated after landing on a Turkish Airlines flight from Tel Aviv on Monday morning. They were questioned for more than an hour and subsequently released.

Harassing Israeli passengers... sending a message to the Israeli government.

SAY YOU'RE SORRY ALREADY NETANYAHU.

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Yeah and under International law Israel was not onlu justified in boarding the vessel, they have every right to defend themselves from armed attacks.

Who was armed

Israel's Netanyahu says won't apologize to Turkey

................The report said that Israel had used unreasonable force in the raid of the Turkish vessel Mavi Marmara, but added that pro-Palestinian activists onboard mounted organised and violent resistance.

From the security cameras on board the Mavi Marmara


Facts

• The Gaza Flotilla was organized by IHH, an organization that supports suicide bombers and Global Jihad, including Al-Qaeda.
• According the the Law of Maritime Neutrality, Israel had the full rights to board any ship trying to enter it's naval blockade, even while in international waters.
• Israel repeatedly offered to transfer the humanitarian aid to Gaza, but the protesters refused.
• Mavi Marmara's passengers prepared for a bloody, violent fight with caches of weapons.
• The IDF Navy commandos were armed only with paintball guns (!) in order to minimize any injuries. They had pistols as sidearms only to be used in case of clear and present danger to their lives.
• Upon descending into the top deck of Mavi Marmara, the IDF commandos were immediately surrounded and attacked with knives, clubs, slingshots, a fire bomb and pistols the violent mob wrested from them.
• One soldier was carried by the mob and thrown from the top deck to the bottom one - a 30 feet deep fall.
• Since Israel left the Gaza Strip in 2005 in hopes for peace, it only received thousands of rockets aimed at civilian centers in response.
• Israel enforces a naval blockade on Gaza in order to prevent the smuggling of more weapons and explosives into the hands of terrorists.
• Every week, Israel transports 15,000 tons of supplies and humanitarian aid to Gaza.
• Any country in the world has the right to protect it's borders, and the right to stop attempts of illegal entry into it's waters.
• All activists are receiving proper medical treatment, including the ones that tried to murder the Israeli troops.

Hamas and their merry band of morons have created the humanitarian crisis, not Israel. Apparently the government of Turkey is assisting the region into a war by escorting the vessels. Under International law, the moment those vessels sail under Turkish protection, they are no longer considered neutral vessels, and will be subject to attack, and if Israel goes that route, Turkey wont have a leg to stand on.

I suggest you do some more research before believing what PressTV and the terrorist group Hamas claim.

How does the pro-israeli posters explain the executions ?

Several of the killed have had bullets to their head from a close proximity .

On a side note , I see some pro-israeli posters talking about Kurdish being oppressed by Turks so Turkey should mind it's own business .

For the record majority of those who were executed on Mavi Marmara were Kurdish Turks .

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
reply to post by CountDrac

 

Israel was never outnumber 10 to 1 (military personal) in any war. That is a completely baseless lie. You are openly lying. I suggest you read this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com... and stick your propaganda where it belongs.

Never ???
I see it didn't work for you on the previous thread, so now you need to rely on people's lack of knowledge or short memory.

let's take a look at the Yom Kippur war for example. Look at the table to the right:

en.wikipedia.org...

read some more:

www.historylearningsite.co.uk...

so tell me, who is the liar now?