Israel Objects to Palestinian Statehood to Avoid War Crimes Investigations

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by backinblack
Where would you suggest they fire their rockets at Israel from??

Why fire them at all? Apart from the fact they refuse to accept Israel's right to exist....

You mean you also support Israel's breach of the land boundaries, ie. the land it was GIVEN, and which it agreed to respect?

Is that what you mean by their right to exist?

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by blackcube

 

it could also allow Palestine to call in UN Peacekeepers to control the occupied zones currently controlled by Israel..
Maybe even forcing the Israeli settlers out as they are NOT there for any military purpose..

Israel certainly doesn't want that to happen..

edit on 2-9-2011 by backinblack because: (no reason given)

Absolutely. Israel, while meddling everywhere in the world, absolutely does not want peacekeepes there to make sure they are respecting the international law and agreements they signed up to.

While many will see Israel's current actions to avoid the ICC as being immoral, I would have to state that Zionist Atheist have no morals like a normal person of values and morals.

Anyone that does not believe in God such as any declared atheist, do not believe they will answer for anything immoral because of course in their reality, God does not exist and no punishment will be forthcoming.

Israel and Palestine have been fighting each other for thousands of years and anyone who thinks that a lack of morality has anything to do with this continued dispute is ignoring the fact that Zionist atheism does not adhere to morality because of course they don't believe in it.

It is this atheistic status that justifies the immoral actions that the worlds sees and views as immoral, but if you were to ask a Zionist atheist, he or she would tell you that there is nothing wrong with their actions as they see it.

We will soon see later in September as the Palestine state issue becomes more of a reality, that when you deal with anyone who does not believe in God, such as atheist, calling them immoral just wont do anything to dissuade them from what their doing, because of course they don't believe in morality or God's punishment.

Thanks for the thread and for considering these thoughts.

reply to post by buster2010


Then you need to go back and read the articles. When they state that any person who beleives the reports will be considered as working for the US and Israel, and that it would be considered an attack on their movement, doesnt leave much room for ambiguity on the end result.

Hezbollah threatens to cut the hands off of people trying to act on arrest warrants

Hezbollah makes threat to treat tribunal as if it is an Israeli court

What pray tell would be the actions towards those who are thought to be acting as spies for the US and Israel in this part of the world? Tea time and crumpets?

The threats are made, and that threat is anyone cooperating with the probe will be considered as working for the US and Israel.

Apparently denial just aint a river in Egypt for some...

Originally posted by MaxBlack
Anyone that does not believe in God such as any declared atheist, do not believe they will answer for anything immoral because of course in their reality, God does not exist and no punishment will be forthcoming.

No more immoral that perverting a religion in order to kill in the name of God.

Speaking of no morals.

Originally posted by SirClem

Israel doesn't care about war crimes investigations. They are lunatics.
They have robbed and killed the native "Palestinians" for decades...a half century or more.

That is certainly debateable but people who hate israel tend to exaggerate the negative tenfold. Unlike the nazis the jews are not out to exterminate arab and christian palestinians, they simply have a claim to the land and make it known. Those that violently resist suffer the consequences of their actions. Most of the native settlements were sold to jewish repatriots and the natives retreated elsewhere.
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There is no authority higher than Israel. There is NO court that can try Israel. They are all illegitimate.

The USA, russian and china do not recognise the international courts either, only those that have signed the treaty. Does that make them all illegitimate or just independent? Hell I don't trust any UN body because it is a farce to install a one world government. It has proven its ineffectiveness time and time again with selective enforcement of policies anywhere a quick buck can be made and places like sudan/somalia/syria/rwhanda are neglected. It is worst than OPEC and we all know how bad they are............

The only legitimate court is public opinion, and even in that court they can just say "screw you".
And they will.
And there will be consequences.
And based upon the ATS demographics, YOU will see the day when Israel gets their due.
It is coming. It is destiny.

The only destiny I see is the fall of the NWO conspiracy to subvert humanity, the end of most wars and the introduction of alien manipulation in our past/present/future.

Originally posted by backinblack

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by backinblack
Where would you suggest they fire their rockets at Israel from??

Why fire them at all? Apart from the fact they refuse to accept Israel's right to exist....

Do I need to post the maps showing Israel's invasion of Palestinian land??

They have stated they would accept the original borders..

And BTW, so what if they don't accept the jewish state of Israel...
Israel has NEVER accepted a Palestinian state..
Your view on why Israel does that?
Or best to be a hypocrite???

Why should Israel accept palestine? They would be great fools to do so. Arabs have 95% of the entire middle east and judaism is the OLDEST known religion residing in that area. Islam did not exist for another 1000 years so its best to call jews DADDY!

Jews are entitled to live there and it should be their choice if they allow christians and muslims to coexist with them. I think everyone can live and work in harmony there in a secular state. Most arab nations are non-secular so that would be a first in that area. Conversely they can keep it non-secular and make the arabs and christians second class citizens or simply kick them out.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by blackcube


Never had thought about one of primary reasons to the opposition to Palestine statehood could be to avoid International Criminal Court (ICC). But I guess "legalities" is less important the moral issues of inaction.

Other piace of information is about a UAV attack in Gaza that killed 2 militant of Hamas that were next to a mosque... and 16 civilians had been killed because a door was open. What the hell IDF was thinking to attack someone who was close to some place so crowded with civilians. This show how IDF don't give a damn to attack anywhere even if the collateral damage is so obvious.

I don't get why people still say the Wikileaks cables are not important.

news.antiwar.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

What about the innocent civilians maimed and killed by islamic rocket and homicide attacks? Be real. Hamas and the other jihadists hide among the civilians just so people like you will condemn the Israelis for daring to defend themselves.

Try to find a clue somewhere.

You might want to look for a clue yourself. The Palestinians are the defenders here not the Israeli's. Israel is the one that is stealing land and killing families while they are doing so that makes Israel the aggressors.

Palestine never officially existed so how is Israel stealing there land? I don't like how Israel has handled the situation from day 1(60 years and running) but still I think you are jumping to the wrong conclusions villifying Israel for war crimes when all they do is retaliate to arab aggression.

The Franco-British boundary agreement of 1920 clearly defined the boarders of Palestine.
Franco-British boundary agreement (1920) Again the Arabs are the defenders here not the aggressors the land was occupied and Israel had to kill to get it. And when Israel used white phosphorus on the UN SCHOOL they committed war crimes and they should be held accountable for it. White phosphorus is illegal to use in civilian areas, and its use by Israel constitutes a war crime.

edit on 3-9-2011 by buster2010 because: (no reason given)

As far as I am concerned palestine was never an official country with its own flag and any international recognistion. It was a british colony where arabs, christians and jews lived in relative peace and the Balfour declaration turned "palestine" into the official nation of Israel.

It seems arabs cannot tolerate a non-muslim state in the middle east and will go to any length to destory it. They are greedier than greedy and want an absolute monopoly. In fact it seems the holy crusades are still being waged with underground(terrorist) means. If the arabs should be pissed it should be with the europeans and americans who exploited their oil for dirt cheap prices for decades without getting the appropriate cut.

Jews simply want what they always had with peace and quiet.

Originally posted by backinblack

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by groingrinder
than the Palestinians kill Israelis with their home made rockets

Because Israel has a rocket defense and warning system, and spends money on shelters for their population. The arab terrorists use their population as human shields... as they do not care about their own civilians!

LMAO, most of the "piddly" rockets land in empty space..

BTW, I'm still waiting on the damage rate of these 'massive missiles"..

Did gaza not elect hamas, a known militant group that wants all the jews to the sea? Do they not attack Israel FIRST before Israel retalitates? It does not really make any difference if those rockets kill 5 or 5,000 Israel civilians because people HAVE to live with the terrorist threat day in and day out.

Not to mention the blown up busses, nightclubs, shopping centers, cafes, etc. Then you have hezbollah, another arab terrorist group, firring rockets from lebanon. Its a battle of religious extremism regardless which way you look at it. The same religious extremists that pulled 9-11 in the USA and killed 3,000 people!

reply to post by bluemirage5


The UN has plenty of scope to intervene militarily in a conflict to either protect civilians or separate warring groups.

This is from the UN mission (MONUC) mandate in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

A to deploy and maintain a presence in the key areas of potential volatility in order to promote the re-establishment of confidence, to discourage violence, in particular by deterring the use of force to threaten the political process, and to allow United Nations personnel to operate freely, particularly in the Eastern part of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, to ensure the protection of civilians, including humanitarian personnel, under imminent threat of physical violence,

www.un.org...

Since the debacles of the 90's UN missions in Somalia & Rwanda the UN has committed a lot more to 'forcefully' protecting civilians.

Whether that could happen in regards to Israel/Palestine however, seems debatable at this time. The UN vote will be crucial, it needs to be overwhelming in support of the Palestinian application, with support from EU states such as Germany, France and the U.K.

If this happens a U.S. veto in the security council, if it gets that far, could be largely irrelevant. The occupation would have to, inevitably, begin to unravel.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Secondly, all they need to do is the exact same thing Iran, Syria and Hezbullah do, which is to just ignore the UN. Nothing has happened to those countries, so nothing will happen to Israel.

So you're saying Israel should act more like Iran and Syria?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Did gaza not elect hamas, a known militant group that wants all the jews to the sea? Do they not attack Israel FIRST before Israel retalitates?

You need to read up a bit more..
Israel was giving every Palestinian the excuse to attack them by stealing their land way before Hamas was elected..
Decades before in fact.

Hamas is merely the "current" excuse.

reply to post by backinblack


How many palestinian families have been forcefully evicted from their homes versus those selling their properties to jewish settlers? If I sell my property to whomever then I have no right to whine about it later. Jews don't like arabs and arabs don't like jews thus when one religious group "infiltrates" a neighborhood the other more or less leaves.

Much like any american city getting "infiltrated" by various non-white minorities. Its a racial issue to the core!

You could sweep the manure under the carpet...

... but that won't stop the smell.

reply to post by backinblack


You seem to use this same argument all the time, yet fail to understand it yourself.

What reason does Hamas have to continue to attack Israel? Israel withdrew from Gaza. The west Bank is under Fatah control, not Hamas, so Hamas has no standing to continue attacking Israel except for the sole purpose of attempting to wipe them off the map.

Please explain why hamas is continuing to kill innocent people when Gaza is not under occupation?

reply to post by Xcathdra

Perhaps we need to go into Israel, and liberate them...
like we did the Libyans.
Basically, destroy the infrastructure...contaminate the water, send Netanyahu into exile.
But, wait, where would he go???? No one wants a known terrorist except the good old whore that is the U.S.A.
We take all war criminals, hell we make them PRESIDENTS.
Give us a break, we mean well. We are just ruled by a particularly sadistic Mafia at the moment....

reply to post by SirClem


Well being the French pushed Libya and not the US, your comparison is lacking.

Secondly trying to obfuscate the issues in Israel and Gaza with comparisons to Libya and other places just doesnt work since the politics / situation are completely different.

If you want to round leaders up for crimes, then every single leader on this planet will be in jail, including yourself by extension since its all intertwined.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by backinblack

 

How many palestinian families have been forcefully evicted from their homes versus those selling their properties to jewish settlers? If I sell my property to whomever then I have no right to whine about it later. Jews don't like arabs and arabs don't like jews thus when one religious group "infiltrates" a neighborhood the other more or less leaves.

Much like any american city getting "infiltrated" by various non-white minorities. Its a racial issue to the core!

Chinese own huge sections of land and properties in Australia but you don't see the Chinese Military on Australian soil setting up checkpoints and banning Australians from the area..

I don't believe ANY country would put up with that crap..

So what if they bought land, they should be still ruled by local Government...

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by backinblack

 

You seem to use this same argument all the time, yet fail to understand it yourself.

What reason does Hamas have to continue to attack Israel? Israel withdrew from Gaza. The west Bank is under Fatah control, not Hamas, so Hamas has no standing to continue attacking Israel except for the sole purpose of attempting to wipe them off the map.

Please explain why hamas is continuing to kill innocent people when Gaza is not under occupation?

Which part do I fail to understand..

Israel was stealing land and oppressing the Palestinians way before Hamas was elected..
Hamas are Palestinians, not Gazians and have every RIGHT to expel an invader from the borders of Palestine..
There is also still the fact of the blockade and oppression of Gaza..

Though there is still doubt as to who Hamas is working for.

reply to post by backinblack


Israel is not stealing anything. The palestinians were farmers under muslim rule with no identity before israel was created.

The only mistake Israel did was to take simple Palestinian farmers and bring them to the 21st century. The reason the Palestinians are suffering right now is because they let the same primitive terror driven religious voices that plague the Middle Eastern countries to take control.

The Middle East is in turmoil and modern voices in places like Egypt, Syria, and Iran are trying to change things.

Maybe you should try to criticize these muslim governments in Syria and Iran who treating their people like animals.

Or criticize fanatics Muslims around the world for killing innocent people including in their own countries if they don’t agree with their religious beliefs.

Or criticize the way Muslim treat their woman.

Or criticize the corruption; abuse and humiliation Muslim dictators do to their people.

And finally why not criticize Islam like the moderate Muslims do for being stuck in the middle ages and not modernizing...