Christianity has lost its astronomical roots.for now!

Do you think science could partly be due to the dominance of such
extreme monotheism?
Genesis 1:26 is translated as 'In the beginning God made heaven and earth'
Most biblical scholars will admit, that the word 'Elohim' translated
as 'God' in this context is plural. I've read that Christianity has
roots in older religions from which it arose and all of these were
poly theistic and astronomical.. early beliefs actually reflected this
because spirituality meant interacting with actual spirits!
There are several churches all over the world that have been built on
temples and mystery schools, sacred caves said to lead to the under
earth (interestingly mentioned Exodus 20:1-18)



I found it interesting that all Christian churches are are
astronomically aligned (normally due east on the saints day to whom
the church is dedicated) also look at Notre Dame in Paris and
another called the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona are covered in
astro-symbolism.

as for holidays,
Easter the first Sunday following the full moon that falls on or
follows the vernal equinox, or that Christmas is the the first day
after the winter solstice when the rising sun goes through precession.

and what about Psalm XIX verse 4?? 'He set a tabernacle for the sun,
Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, His going forth is
from the end of heaven, And his circuit unto the ends of it.'
(represents the marriage of sun to venus- Lucifer being symbolically
portrayed as venus, which is a whole new discussion) also i think the
two main reps of evil are not the same entity satan/lucifer look at
Isaiah 14.12 'How thou art fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the
morning.' morning start being Venus. So lucifer=Venus.
The Four Cherubim are some of the most awesome symbols in the Bible
and I believe symbolized by the ox, lion, eagle, and angel..IN
esoteric teachings the Four C's are great spiritual beings behind 4 of
the 12 constellations of the zodiac so why has this been hidden from
us and if it were true what would the implications be?

Biorhythms and astrology

DID you know the ancients like the chinese and egyptians used to view
all biology as astro-biology. So before you discredit them remember
they were not a primitive in these matters... they understood that
Sirius is a three star system- something modern science just
discovered in 1995 when French astronomers used massive radio
telescopes to detect the red dwarf star .They knew on average humans
breathe 25,950 times per day..(the number of years it takes to
complete a full cycle of the zodiac) They saw the sun as spiritual
influence of God into the earthly realm.And so other influences
beamed throught other planets and constellations, as they changed, the
different patterns of influence would give history its shape and
definition..


in the 1980's Swiss pharmaceuticals company Weleda ran some lab
experiments showing how the movements in planets affected chemical
changes in metal salt solutions that you can see with the naked eye!
what is even more mind blowing, is when the solution changes are
observed in relation to the movement of the planet its traditionally
associated with, the patterns are reflected.
So,

the patterns that planets trace in the sky must be important too
right? Saturn which traces a precise pattern in the sky forms the pine
needles of conifers. so is it strange that modern science shows that
pine trees have unusually large traces of lead, the metal believed by
ancients to be inwardly animated by saturn?

reply to post by knightsofcydonia


Did Christianity ever have it's roots in astronomy?...

I think you're making the case that Christianity borrowed/evolved from earlier systems that were grounded in astronomical observations? But you're not too clear on that.

I found it interesting that all Christian churches are are
astronomically aligned

All Christian churches? All? Big claim. Site your sources?

They are making the common mistake of confusing Roman Catholics with Christians.

Its okay, when they investigate Constantine that will be cleared up quickly.

Jesus was a Jew, born after Passover.
Passover is NOT in December.

The December ritual is for Osiris Horus.

reply to post by knightsofcydonia


I totally agree......the roots must not have been planted very well..intentionally or not. Being in tune with Nature and the Cosmos is a must looking out of my eyes. There are many reasons why I do not go to church and this is one of them. My thinking...is much deeper than your "typical" Christian ( I Have found). For this reason I do not want a label for my "belief". I want to BE who I AM.

Good points throughout the thread my friend!! xoxoxo

Jenn

Originally posted by MasterGemini
They are making the common mistake of confusing Roman Catholics with Christians.

Its okay, when they investigate Constantine that will be cleared up quickly.

Jesus was a Jew, born after Passover.
Passover is NOT in December.

The December ritual is for Osiris Horus.

edit on 2-9-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

Ha! Constantine for me was an eye opener in the beginning of my journey...that is for sure. I learned a lot and when I speak to others....most have no clue what I am saying.

To me....Jesus was more than just a Jew. Being a radical Essene he had his "own" views that didn't go with the norm. I like that about him.

Peace and love!!! xoxox

Jenn

reply to post by underspace


The "fish" symbol is to represent that Christianity is of the age of Pisces. Christ said: " I will be with you until the end of the age, then you shall follow that man bearing water. The sign for Aquarius the age we are traversing into is a man bearing water.

I could go on and on. Christianity was very much into astrology.

Originally posted by SeleneLux
reply to post by underspace

 

I could go on and on. Christianity was very much into astrology.

The OP said astronomy though, not astrology. I also said astronomy. Just want to be specific on that point. Sure astrology has its roots in astronomy. Not the same OP topic imo.

reply to post by knightsofcydonia


It didn't, and its based in Jewish tradition its called the Mazzaroth

en.wikipedia.org...


The Mazzaroth is mentioned in the book of Job considered to be the oldest of the books in the bible.

It is also considered by some to be the basis of the modern Zodiac.

Job is considered to be written around 2100B.C. - 1700 B.C. the first appearance of the Zodiac appears to be 1000bc.

Originally posted by MasterGemini
They are making the common mistake of confusing Roman Catholics with Christians.

And in my opinion its a common mistake to view that as a common mistake

The Roman Catholic Church started a movement of churches based in Christianity.

If you wish to distinguish 'Christianity' from the conception of the Church that was formed by the Romans then please explain how you can reconcile the fact that today's Christians use The Bible that THEIR council created?

I am not a religious church-goer btw.

reply to post by underspace


Actually that is included in the protestant reformation, Protestant churches do not use the same bible as catholics, the protestant bible removes several books they consider to be non canon.

reply to post by benrl


Good point

It would be a stronger one however if they didn't just exclude parts from the canon (that the RCC decided on) but then also included parts that the RCC had excluded. There were plenty

Originally posted by knightsofcydonia
in the 1980's Swiss pharmaceuticals company Weleda ran some lab
experiments showing how the movements in planets affected chemical
changes in metal salt solutions

1. It was 1949, not the 1980's
2. Performed by an individual person, not a pharmaceutical company
3. "changes", meaning up or down, more or less, faster or slower, darker or lighter, any variation at all counts as a "hit" in these experiments.

Originally posted by knightsofcydonia
Saturn which traces a precise pattern in the sky forms the pine
needles of conifers.

That doesnt even make any sense.

reply to post by underspace

All Christian churches? All? Big claim. Site your sources?

I'll second that. And also ask, aligned to what?

Saturn = Hexagram (see the storm on pole)

Venus = Pentagram = Lucifer (also associated with Columba goddess)

Mars = Aries (God of War) = Aryans (Hitlers' "Master Race")

Mercury = Hermes = Thoth (Ibis headed god with weasel arms (interesting to note that mickey mouse is a weasel))

Sorry the astronomy is used in the Astrotheology of pagan traditions.

Originally posted by underspace

Originally posted by MasterGemini
They are making the common mistake of confusing Roman Catholics with Christians.

And in my opinion its a common mistake to view that as a common mistake

The Roman Catholic Church started a movement of churches based in Christianity.

If you wish to distinguish 'Christianity' from the conception of the Church that was formed by the Romans then please explain how you can reconcile the fact that today's Christians use The Bible that THEIR council created?

I am not a religious church-goer btw.

No reconciliation needed. The church as an entity existed long before the catholic church came into being. They may be the largest, considering all the blood they spilled to get that way. But they aren't the first or only.

As to the bible. Protestants used and use what is available to them.

reply to post by underspace


Then you do not understand the very basics of the faith.

You shall worship no other gods before me.

Yet Roman Catholics pray to saints and pray the Hail Mary (see Mari aka Ishtar)

Get familiar with the Roman emperor Constantine please.

Even Jesus ( Yeshua for our Muslim brothers) said not to simply repeat litanies like the worshipers of Babylon (Summeria aka Iraq)

As you admitted you are not religious and as such I don't expect you to know what you are talking about.
However, if you don't know what you are talking about you should probably not comment until you are better researched.

Originally posted by SeleneLux
reply to post by underspace

 

The "fish" symbol is to represent that Christianity is of the age of Pisces. Christ said: " I will be with you until the end of the age, then you shall follow that man bearing water. The sign for Aquarius the age we are traversing into is a man bearing water.

I could go on and on. Christianity was very much into astrology.

I agree.

Also, the age before was the Age of Taurus which was replaced by Age of Pisces. Why do you suppose Moses became so angry after coming back to find his people worshiping the the golden calf (representative of Taurus)? That age was over and fulfilled.

All that talk of shepherds, rods and staffs, lambs, and sheep should interest anyone interested in this as well.

reply to post by cry93


Yes, that and they were worshiping the stars instead of the Creator of those stars.

Originally posted by Klassified
No reconciliation needed. The church as an entity existed long before the catholic church came into being. They may be the largest, considering all the blood they spilled to get that way. But they aren't the first or only.

I understand that. That was not the point I was making. Are you sure they are not the first (we are talking about Christianity are we not?) . A reconciliation is needed. A Church as an entity did, but did a Christian Church as an entity? Are you familiar with the history...the Council of Nicea, the formation of the canon? I am not saying they are the only...silly you would say that if you're reading what I wrote.

The majority of Christian denominations today use the same Bible (King James, NIV, etc), a canon decided by the Roman Catholic Church.

Acknowledging that religion or the church existed prior to its formation is not relevant. It was brought up that Catholics are not to be confused with Christians, yet the vast majority of today's Christian denominations use that standard RCC canon.

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by knightsofcydonia
in the 1980's Swiss pharmaceuticals company Weleda ran some lab
experiments showing how the movements in planets affected chemical
changes in metal salt solutions

1. It was 1949, not the 1980's
2. Performed by an individual person, not a pharmaceutical company
3. "changes", meaning up or down, more or less, faster or slower, darker or lighter, any variation at all counts as a "hit" in these experiments.

Originally posted by knightsofcydonia
Saturn which traces a precise pattern in the sky forms the pine
needles of conifers.

That doesnt even make any sense.

I'm sorry but you are wrong.

Ok maybe I can help you understand . Allow me to give you a proper backround of this information. One of the stupid beliefs that we attribute to the ancients is that they worshiped the sun, as if it were a sentient being.if you look at Robert Temples(Visiting professor of Humanities, History, philosophy of science,University of Louisville, USA, and visiting professor of the History and Philosophy of science, Tsinghua University, Beijing) commentary on texts by Aristotle, Strabo and others they saw the sun as a lens in which the spiritual influence of a God beamed from the spiritual to the earthly realm. As did other gods influences come down through planets and constellations. So as the position of heavenly bodies changed, our history would be given a different variety of patterns of influence.
Back to your question... There is an old story told by the ancients where a man is walking through the ancient wood, tells how his limbs moved like flowing mercury, and he felt the spirit of Mars raging in him, and the molten iron that fierce and flowing through his blood...
The state of his kidney was affected by Venus' movements. As you know modern science is just beginning to understand how the kidney's are a part of sexuality. At the beginning of the 20th century we learned the kidney's role to the storing of testosterone. So when the Parmaceuticals giant Weleda started to conduct tests in the 1980's, they observed that changes in metal salt solutions in relation to the movements of planets, note these changes were dramatic enough to be seen with the naked eye..

what is even more mind blowing is that the changes come about when a solution of metal salt is examined in relation to the movement of the planet with which it has traditionally been associated. So copper salts found in the Kidney are affected by Venus, copper being the metal traditionally associated with Venus.

The complex symmetric shapes of plants were believed to be caused by the patterns that the stars and planets make as they move across the sky. So based on the sharp pattern that Saturn traces in the sky as it moves along its path, the image of pine needles of conifers is formed. ( another us Venus forming Pentagram/genesis pattern)