Jeffrey Dahmer is in heaven right now and you could be too!!!

Originally posted by CaDreamer

Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by CaDreamer
reply to post by sonofliberty1776

 

you couldnt be more wrong...sin is sin...nope the bible says there are indeed sins that are "unforgivable" 7 deadly sins from which there is no redemption...

What bible do you read?

MK 3:28 I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

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i agree with what you posted but the scripture in mark that you qouted says specifically "he is guilty of an eternal sin" not The eternal sin" denoting that there is more than one eternal sin.

The word 'an' does not necessarily indicate more than one in this case. Jesus specifically states 'ALL' sins and blasphemies will be forgiven, with the one exception.

It is my view that Satan is an example of someone (an angel in this case) that has blasphemed the holy spirit and is beyond redemption.

reply to post by Josonic


We grade on a curve, God doesn't. You're either perfect, or imperfect. We're all imperfect. Accepting Christ doesn't make you perfect, it only means your debt to God is paid in full. There quite often is still a debt to pay to society for our mistakes, however God is quite a bit more forgiving than society.

Originally posted by Josonic

Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by Josonic

Originally posted by CaDreamer
reply to post by sonofliberty1776

 

you couldnt be more wrong...sin is sin...nope the bible says there are indeed sins that are "unforgivable" 7 deadly sins from which there is no redemption...

I sort of agree, the Bible does not say sin is sin, and it does say there is an unforgivable sin, but I believe you are confused as to what they are. Actually there is only one unforgivable sin, and that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

This is what really irks me, that God (the Christian God, not the one Ghandi references) believes disbelief in him is worse than murder and rape and other horrifying deeds.

It only irks you because you believe that your own sins are not as grievous as others.


LK 18:9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: `God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

LK 18:13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, `God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

LK 18:14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

It irks me because I know my own sins are not as grievous as others, certainly Jeffrey Dahmer's sins.

You can't argue in favor of the Bible using the Bible. It's like saying the definition of radically is something that is radical.

You have just placed yourself in the position of the Pharisee in the parable that I just quoted. In a way, you are forced to deny the divinity of Christ's teachings.



2CO 4:1 Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Josonic

 

We grade on a curve, God doesn't. You're either perfect, or imperfect. We're all imperfect. Accepting Christ doesn't make you perfect, it only means your debt to God is paid in full. There quite often is still a debt to pay to society for our mistakes, however God is quite a bit more forgiving than society.

God does grade on a curve. His curve is whether or not we believe his existence.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Josonic

 

We grade on a curve, God doesn't. You're either perfect, or imperfect. We're all imperfect. Accepting Christ doesn't make you perfect, it only means your debt to God is paid in full. There quite often is still a debt to pay to society for our mistakes, however God is quite a bit more forgiving than society.

That may be your personal opinion.
I don't know what debt you are talking about.
There is something we must do that God knows and that we would know through the Spirit.
Whatever that may be is not something someone else does for us.

"Take care whilst in the pursuit of monsters, lest you, yourself, become one."

There are no more witches to burn, humble Christians, you can at last, take your rest. Religion is a hate monger. Religion is a war monger. Religion is for those who fear the confines of their own mind. Let any fool dispute these facts, and find undying truth, to be the most "grievous" of obstacles.

Do not mistake oppression for freedom.

Originally posted by toxicblud
"Take care whilst in the pursuit of monsters, lest you, yourself, become one."

There are no more witches to burn, humble Christians, you can at last, take your rest. Religion is a hate monger. Religion is a war monger. Religion is for those who fear the confines of their own mind. Let any fool dispute these facts, and find undying truth, to be the most "grievous" of obstacles.

Do not mistake oppression for freedom.

2PE 2:18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity--for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.

reply to post by Josonic

God does grade on a curve. His curve is whether or not we believe his existence.

What existence would that be?
Like in a fire on a mountain top?
Were you there, at Sinai?
Something happened or will happen in your own life and how you choose at that moment will judge you.

reply to post by XplanetX


How about falling back on your own words and attacking my post directly with your own intellect and not someone elses. It never surprises me when Christians fall back on someone elses words for lack of more intellectual response. This just goes to show you how numb a person can become by throwing himself beneath the wheels of his shephard.

p.s. only the first part of my post was a quote, ya know, the part that is "quoted".

Originally posted by godWhisperer
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

surely you're not implying ghandi was referencing the christian god. ghandi was a hindu.

God is God. Jesus was the Son of God as the second person of the trinity. The Holy Spirit (Consciousness) is the third person of the Trinity. God is all and one. If you believe in Jesus, you believe in God. If you believe in God, you will naturally realize the trinity of God. There are many aspects of each person of the trinity. In physics, we can easily see that we are also the trinity from a creation standpoint.

God is light (Father). Jesus is Wave (Word from John 1 that Created the image of reality). The Holy Spirit is Consciousness. In physics, light is both a particle and a wave. All particles have an associated wave. The Father is carried to man from the wave (Word). Creation was spoken. God is one. God is projected into reality by particle and wave as an image for us to see. We see the image with consciousness and reside in the image.

Genesis 1:27
1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Humans are particle and wave making up the body with consciousness. The Son is the Living Word among men. This was a human named Jesus who possessed something we didn't--A Holy Consciousness. His blood (DNA) was the first fruit of the Holy Spirit. We partake of His blood in rebirth. You must be born again. We were baptized into this world of water. Read John 3 again and see that the rebirth comes through Jesus into the spirit realm when we gain union with the spirit within. That's God's spirit. Our soul gains union with the spirit and we are born again into the spirit realm. Lovers gain union and give birth. When you find agape love for God, then your soul gains union with the spirit and gives birth in the tree of life above. This cannot happen until the flaming sword (consuming fire form Genesis 3) has cut your pride away. Love remains.

Is this the only aspect of the Trinity? No, just one.

Was Ghandi saved? He had great faith in God. God is Jesus and the Holy Spirit and they are all one. No one is saved apart form faith. A fundamentalist Christian will tell you that Jesus is the one and not just God. To say this is not using common sense. Jesus was the second person of God. They are one. People were saved, according to Hebrews 11, by faith before Jesus. There has never been another way. After Jesus, many more were able to come to salvation through faith in his name (Character). It's not works that save you. It's faith, hope and love for God. God and Jesus are one. I don't know how many more times I would need to say it so I'll just let Jesus say it.

John 10:30 I and the Father are one."

John 14

1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

Jesus the Way to the Father

5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

If you love God, you love Jesus. They are the one God. In the Bible, a person's name is their character. When it say, don't take the Lord's name in vain, it means, don't take His character in vain. When Jesus says that salvation is through His name, it means that Salvation is through His character. He was the first fruit of the Holy Spirit. We are cleansed by His blood. His character was holy faith as evidenced by His walk on earth.

The name above all names.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by XplanetX

 

All of those sins will be forgiven of someone if they repent and turn to Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.

Paul was saying that if someone does these things after confessing Christ, they will not be saved.

Really?

Please read the whole bible, not just the select parts.


1JN 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

1JN 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.




PHP 3:12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.


To add further, Paul discusses the ramifications of somebody that continues in sin with an unrepentant heart:

HEB 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

reply to post by XplanetX

Really?

Did you actually have a point or did you just want to quote more verses?

Originally posted by toxicblud
reply to post by XplanetX

 

How about falling back on your own words and attacking my post directly with your own intellect and not someone elses. It never surprises me when Christians fall back on someone elses words for lack of more intellectual response. This just goes to show you how numb a person can become by throwing himself beneath the wheels of his shephard.

p.s. only the first part of my post was a quote, ya know, the part that is "quoted".

edit on 31-8-2011 by toxicblud because: (no reason given)

So you admit that Christ is superior in intellect?

So do I.

He is LORD of all.

reply to post by XplanetX


I admit nothing. Try using your own words instead of quoting a bunch of hogwash the next time you're trying to make a point. Christians are notorious for quoting scripture when they have no valid backing. Lose the B.S. and grow up.

reply to post by XplanetX

Although most English translations of the Bible don’t employ the term “unpardonable sin”, there is one sin frequently considered “eternal” and that is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit; however this phrase is rarely taken to have its literal meaning. Some sins that are frequently considered eternal include deliberate rejection of the mercy of God, and ascribing the work of the Holy Spirit to the Devil.

Catholics commonly give a list of six specific sorts of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, to wit, with St. Thomas[2]
despair: which consists in thinking that one's own malice greater than Divine Goodness, as the Master of the Sentences teaches,
[3] presumption: if a man wants to obtain glory without merits
[4] or pardon without repentance[
5] resistance to the known truth,
envy of a brother's spiritual good, i. e. of the increase of Divine grace in the world,
impenitence, i. e. the specific purpose of not repenting a sin,
obstinacy, whereby a man, clinging to his sin, becomes immune to the thought that the good searched in it is a very little one.

en.wikipedia.org...

so thats at least 3 "eternal sins" not counting the Catholics...

But the Bible is right, Jesus is the messiah, the son of God himself....How do I know this you ask? the Bible says so of course.

Originally posted by toxicblud
reply to post by XplanetX

 

I admit nothing. Try using your own words instead of quoting a bunch of hogwash the next time you're trying to make a point. Christians are notorious for quoting scripture when they have no valid backing. Lose the B.S. and grow up.

I will receive your comments as a blessing.


MT 5:11 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.


Your insult was quite tame. Maybe you could dig a little deeper?

Originally posted by CaDreamer
reply to post by XplanetX

 

Although most English translations of the Bible don’t employ the term “unpardonable sin”, there is one sin frequently considered “eternal” and that is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit; however this phrase is rarely taken to have its literal meaning. Some sins that are frequently considered eternal include deliberate rejection of the mercy of God, and ascribing the work of the Holy Spirit to the Devil.

en.wikipedia.org...

so thats at least 3 "eternal sins."

All of them tie in with blaspheming the holy spirit.

Originally posted by Josonic
But the Bible is right, Jesus is the messiah, the son of God himself....How do I know this you ask? the Bible says so of course.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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You're quite an amusing individual, I of course use the term "individual" extremely lightly here, but I think instead of this entertaining cyber pissing contest I'll be off to better prospects.

Yawwwwnnnnnn.....