Iraqi Soccer Players Slam 'Criminal' Bush

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by AceOfBase
the mass graves they spoke about had less than 10 thousand bodies instead of the hundreds of thousands we were told they had.

Are you insane, or have they given Saddam internet access?

I'm not saying that less than 10,000 isn't bad, I'm just saying it was far less than we were told about.

It's also far less than were killed during this war.

Way back in April 2003, Tommy Franks said that 30,000 Iraqis had died so far in this war. Defenselink.mil
What do you think the total is up to now?
There's been close to a thousand just in August.

I bet we could fill those hypothetical MASS GRAVES now. We did exactly what we went in to prevent. GENIUS!!!

Originally posted by dgtempe
Grady- You are in the minority- way below the minority.

Do you think I care about being in the minority? I'd rather die than be an apologist for Saddam Hussein. In due time, the Iraqis will realize that democracy beats a brutal dictatorship any day of the week. When the misanthropes and malcontents are properly dealt with, the majority of Iraqis will live in peace.

You should be ashamed of yourselves turning on your own nation and the ideal of liberty. That is if all those who claim to be American actually are. I've already exposed one fraud.

Cowards make me sick.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
You should be ashamed of yourselves turning on your own nation and the ideal of liberty.

Remember people, "turning on your own nation" translates to "opposing the neo-con agenda". I dare say you are un-American for inferring that these people should be denied the right to their opinions.

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How dare these soccer players call Americans invader??
Can�t they see Iraqi people through flower on US troops everyday?

Originally posted by cargo
the neo-con agenda". I dare say you are un-American for inferring that these people should be denied the right to their opinions.

You wouldn't say that to my face, cargo.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
In due time, the Iraqis will realize that democracy beats a brutal dictatorship any day of the week. When the misanthropes and malcontents are properly dealt with, the majority of Iraqis will live in peace.

You should be ashamed of yourselves turning on your own nation and the ideal of liberty. That is if all those who claim to be American actually are. I've already exposed one fraud.

Cowards make me sick.

Ah yes, another one that actually thinks we are spreading Democracy over there....get real....we are spreading Capitalism and using a puppet government to do it. As soon as the western world sucks every bit of that black drug out of the ground we will care less about what happens over there. Funny thing that the US only seems to get involved in countries that we have or could have investments in? Hmmmm....

You sir, are scary...by your own words you would blindly follow your country to whatever perils might lie ahead. People that follow this mentality are the very reason that our liberty is being threatened, and they don't even know it.

These people would be the same that would allow the persecution and discrimination of African Americans, the killing off of the Native Americans, discrimination of homosexuals, the Spanish inquisition.... Need I go any farther with this....

Typical mentality of a follower. Bush follower that is

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by cargo
the neo-con agenda". I dare say you are un-American for inferring that these people should be denied the right to their opinions.

You wouldn't say that to my face, cargo.

Are we upset now? I'd say you invite more than your fair share of harsh criticism on these boards.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
You should be ashamed of yourselves turning on your own nation and the ideal of liberty. That is if all those who claim to be American actually are. I've already exposed one fraud.

Cowards make me sick.

And the debate over whether or your not your intimidation tactics would work any better in person than they do here is irrelevant.

astroblade... got a question for you. An Iraqi defected to the US in 96. What do we call it when an American moves to another country for any reason? If an American moves to Canada for a better job is he/she a defector? If Hillary Clinton gets elected president and I decide I don't want to live in a country run by this woman and I move to Germany would that make me a defector? Or is defection something that only happens to countries we don't like?

Originally posted by AceOfBase


Guess what, Iraq competed in many Olympic games prior to this so how can you say they would not be at the Olympics in 2004 if it weren't for Bush?

Yes, but this is the first time in many many moons they haven't had to shower Uday's excrement and urine off themselves prior to donning their uniforms...that's got to count for something.

But the man's opinion is noted here, and I do believe Americans WOULD feel similar...even if they had been being crapped and wet on prior to the invasion.

Originally posted by Jazzerman
we are spreading Capitalism

What's wrong with capitalism, Karl.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
What's wrong with capitalism, Karl.

Ok, by that statement alone I believe I have proven what I have believed about you all along. I won't even give you the enjoyment of letting you know what it is, because I think its about time I do exactly what this site is designed to do...

DENY IGNORANCE

...and this is why I am denying you! Good night, and have a happy life....

You are batting a thousand today Grady. lol. What is wrong with capitalism? In itself nothing unless you mix it with our system of government that turns it more into a corporate communist type system. A system designed to be absolutely anti-competitive. Our intellectual property laws are a joke and a serious problem when it comes to free enterprise. Of course mixing capitalism with human nature is bad as well. Greed takes over. Unless of course you think greed is good.

Originally posted by RANT
And the debate over whether or your not your intimidation tactics would work any better in person than they do here is irrelevant.

I stand by my convictions regadless of the situation. I'd die for the things I believe in. Integrity and liberty are the most important things to me. I have gone to war to defend the liberty of those whom I had never met in a war most could find no justification for, even though the US was bound by international treaty to defend S. Vietnam from communist aggression.

I do not beleive that you can produce any example of a post in which I employ intimidation. No one would call me un-American to my face and not have to pick himself up off the ground. That's not intimidation. That's a promise.

Would other Americans here like to list what they've done in the cause of liberty except bad mouth their country. Iraq is as worthy of freedom, or perhaps moreso, than anyone here and both we and they are fortunate that we have an administration and brave young men who are willing to risk all to see that that happens.

Oh, and I am not upset. I'm comfortable with who I am and I do not need validation from anyone. I can take the heat.

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Integrity and Liberty are very important. Here is a tough question (I think). What do you do when the leaders of YOUR country start taking away YOUR freedom. You are obligated to defend the country and the president. But what happens when the president is the problem? Which becomes more important? Protecting the country or protecting the president?

I don't really care about Internet credentials because unless I'm going to put up my credentials online I could still be lying about being a citizen and performing service to the country. Even if I did, they could be called hoaxes. The way I see it is that if you are a US citizen and you pay taxes you have every right in the world to criticize the government. Of course the country is far better than the people we elect and pay to run it. The country - the people living here, and the government - the people who work for the country, are two different things. If we see our employees screwing up or doing something right, we as the bosses have to say something about it. Anyone saying that dissent is unpatriotic is listening too much to people who are the true haters of a free country.

Originally posted by Jazzerman
Ok, by that statement alone I believe I have proven what I have believed about you all along. I won't even give you the enjoyment of letting you know what it is, because I think its about time I do exactly what this site is designed to do...

DENY IGNORANCE

...and this is why I am denying you! Good night, and have a happy life....

Well, you can deny me, but you won't be denying ignorance, just my unpopular view.

[edit on 04/8/21 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I do not beleive that you can produce any example of a post in which I employ intimidation. No one would call me un-American to my face and not have to pick himself up off the ground. That's not intimidation. That's a promise.
[edit on 04/8/21 by GradyPhilpott]

How.....uuhhhh....."American" of you

Interesting that you would result to physical violence in that type of situation. In my America people dont need to result to physical violence to stand up for what they believe in, and the old quote "the pen is mightier than the sword" would apply here. If your completely set in your beliefs as you say you are you would not have to result to this sort of thing...he who can bring out the violence in another has already won the battle. Usually people exhibiting this violence prone behavior are the one's who are somehow internally doubtful of their own beliefs.

Martin Luther King Jr. is a perfect example...he believed in something so strong that he would not raise a hand to his fellow man, and reached out in friendship to the very people that were trying to bring him down.

Now that my friend is a true American. He was an American because he would stand up with the might of an entire army against him, and come out on top without ever resorting to violence.

Thats my definition of a true American!!!!

Sadly too many Americans are raised and trained to hate people that are different and resort to violence to deal with people that we disagree with.

......And to all, a good nite

Originally posted by Indy
Sadly too many Americans are raised and trained to hate people that are different and resort to violence to deal with people that we disagree with.

I think you will find it hard to find the person I hate. Being willing to fight for your convictions or your honor is not hate.

I dare say I am the most hated individual who has ever graced this board. Yet, I love others enough to lay down my life for them--even you. My life is dedicated to the service of others. That's where my values are.