SO MUCH FOR DOOMSDAY: Comet Elenin breaking apart...

reply to post by DJW001


Debating or disagreeing another's ideas is perfectly acceptable behaviour. However school yard bullying and other antics of making fun of and shaming others is rude. Everyone is entitled to express themselves on a professional level of "well" intentioned integrity. I agree.

Everyone and anyone who was applying simple logic knew and understood that Comet Elenin was not what we were being told it was by those we trust to tell us what it actually was.

Since no comet had the mass or the elements necessary to effect our earth and cause earthquakes, weather anomalies, solar flares and other concerns, then I ask, why would anyone believe that a comet that is not a comet that is now breaking up still think that its a comet that poses no threat? I mean really, cant you keep the facts straight in your mind?

Is it so hard to think that perhaps what is causing all the earthquakes and all the other earth changes and earthquakes had nothing to do with a Comet Elenin, but that perhaps something behind Comet Elenin is what we should be worried about. Denying this small point just may come back to embarrass all those that are so confident that this has all been a waste of time.

Some people are so stubborn, they cannot grasp that we are being lied to, deceived and that the liars are NASA, JPL, government officials that all have admitted that Comet Elenin poses no threat.

I ask, why would anyone believe that when Comet Elenin appears to be separating or breaking apart, when it never was a comet at all, that this named object called Comet Elenin still poses no threat to anyone let alone earth and all of humanity?

Now we also should not forget that this supposed Comet Elenin was acting as if it were under intelligent control.

Remember that intelligent controlled finding? Well I do and I don't ignore such a claim.

Since many fail to consider all the elements of what Comet Elenin was not, then it does not surprise me for one second that so many are thumping their chests at the mere indication that Comet Elenin is supposedly breaking up like the Comet it never was.

While these hard headed types still think that Comet Elenin was indeed nothing but a Comet, there are those that never thought it was a Comet and who still think that something of great mass is still causing anomalies that indicate something else is out there that has nothing to do with Comet Elenin.

Comet Elenin was always in my opinion meant to be a distraction and nothing more. If Comet Elenin is indeed a fleet of ships that are coming to earth, then we will know definitively when and if these separated crafts from the mother ship begin to approach earth and or begin to slow down and position themselves around the world so as to begin a coordinated false alien attack.

It is a false alien invasion that is being mixed in with an approaching object of great mass that was planned this way to confuse the sleeping masses while a fake alien invasion is orchestrated under the radar to the massive object that is indeed coming our way.

If and when such intelligent controlled objects begin to circle the earth and slow down, I am certain those that denied any problem whatsoever, will be suddenly surprised and shocked to find out that they themselves deceived themselves with what Comet Elenin actually was.

I remain open minded and with that being stated, I will personally wait until we see if Comet Elenin is a fleet of alien ships or if was just a ice rock that deteriorated while passing the sun.

We will find out soon if indeed all this thumping of chests over Comet Elenin is indeed warranted because beginning Sept 11 we will begin to see and learn much more about what Comet Elenin is and if indeed a larger unnamed object is in fact coming behind Comet Elenin that will ruin everyone's future plans.

Time will show us the truth, but to immediately conclude that Comet Elenin is a joke ignores the facts and the deception that has been perpetuated against the masses that ponder what is true and what is false.

Comet Elenin is still an unknown to what it really is and soon, when we find out, I just pray that it is not an alien invasion force that will occupy our time and further distract us from what really is coming. Something big and something kept hidden from all of us.

Consider all the elements of the Comet Elenin conspiracy and if you do, there is no way you can conclude that Comet Elenin is nothing to worry about. We just don't know as of yet and if you're not willing to wait to find out the truth, then all those that currently promote Comet Elenin as a "nothing" will be in effect spreading the worst kind of disinformation, much worse than the disinformation that we have been receiving all along from those we supposedly trust to tell us what comes this way.

Thanks for the thread, but to conclude that Comet Elenin is a nothing is a clear indication to me that there are those ATS members that have an agenda and that agenda has nothing to do with the facts or the truth.

I personally will wait and see what transpires and when the truth is known, I am confident many who stated this Comet Elenin was a joke will not be having the last laugh.

This is just my devil's advocate side talking here. But to borrow an example from the movie ( forget which one now), ...wouldn't the breaking apart of this comet cause for it then rain its multiple pieces down on earth? Instead of one big comet, we now have several... are they not headed in the same direction?

Smaller pieces would individually be more strongly influenced by Earth's gravity, if is was in fact that close.

I'm not ready to dismiss it altough its comforting to know people seem appeased by this news.

Originally posted by Iiquiringmind
This is just my devil's advocate side talking here. But to borrow an example from the movie ( forget which one now), ...wouldn't the breaking apart of this comet cause for it then rain its multiple pieces down on earth? Instead of one big comet, we now have several... are they not headed in the same direction?

Smaller pieces would individually be more strongly influenced by Earth's gravity, if is was in fact that close.

I'm not ready to dismiss it altough its comforting to know people seem appeased by this news.

In that movie, the object was much closer. (Deep Impact)

Further away, the trajectory of the pieces would change. A partial degree of change over a longer distance might make objects not even come close to the Earth.

I didn't know comet elenin was that close to the sun to be honest

You all really need to read the Q&A from this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It really contains some interesting information that I have not come across before......of course, because this guy with the secret just released it.

But really, he talks about Elenin not being a comet in the true definition of a comet. He does state that it is "highly reflective, metallic" and an "E-Class Asteroid". Very interesting stuff.....if true of course. I will say though, as the read continues, the Sci Fi aspects do start to emerge.

But really, if you haven't done so yet, go back to the OP and check out the Q&A article. I know it is Project Avalon, but it is still an entertaining read.

This could very well just be an attempt to make the population drop the subject, and stop following it. I mean, think about it. Other than these scientists, whose lookin' at these things every single day, for their own eyes??

I thought C2010 X1 "ELENIN" was on an 11,000+ year orbit, and hasn't been a solid object, it's a cluster comet. As Elenin gets closer the fragments become easier to discern individually. It's just an optical illusion that it's breaking apart, it was never together. If you were standing on an observation deck that's 1,149 ft above the ground and there was a plate laying on the ground below you, it would appear to be an intact object even if it were shattered with small gaps between the pieces. As you walk down the stairs from the original observation point and continue to watch the object as you near it, eventually you will be able to tell if the object is fragmented or whole. And just for fun I'm going to go out on a limb take wild guess that Elenin's orbit speed and trajectory were based on this thing being a solid object not a cluster of smaller objects. Also the CME that hit the comet has changed the orbit of the cluster, and a cluster of small objects would be easier to blow off course than a solid heavier object. So where is Elenin really going now?

Originally posted by David291
I didn't know comet elenin was that close to the sun to be honest

I was at the Dominion Astrophysical Observatory last week and they couldn't bring up a picture of it because it was too close to the Sun for the pretty pictures.

They probably could have done a spectrography on it, but I got lucky and they were taking pretty pictures that evening.

- Seed banks
- D.U.M.B.s / Underground Continuity of Government Facilities / Private Sector Survivor Bunkers
- End of shuttle missions, ISS possibly left unmanned for first time in 10 years
- FEMA Tests & Exercises / NASA Family Warnings
- Reported FEMA Camps, Coffins
- Economic crisis worldwide
- Major uprising in many countries
- Funds disappearing worldwide with no reasonable explanations
- Value of gold climbing, while major currencies falling
- Increase in UFO sightings
- TSA Searches and Profiling
- Animal Die-Offs
- Riots
- Governmental Corruption
- 2012 / Mayan Calendar / Niburu
- Pole Shift

Jumbling a bunch of theories together, many of them unproven, doesn't mean "something" is happening. And even if it did, what does it have to do with a quite common thing like a comet in our solar system? Or in fact, with each other? What does animal die offs, the shuttle missions, UFOs and a comet have to do with one another? Well.. nothing at all really.

And there are always "things" going on in our world. There always has been. World wars and further back, major catostrophies and world poverty and plagues and you name it. It's just life. I wonder if hey had conspiracy theorists back then as well, who wondered what grand design or nefarious world power was killing them with the black death.

Ellenin is just a comet, and I am still utterly baffled what about it made people suspicious it was something othern than a comet. It's not like it's exibited odd behaviour. It's just a comet.

Guys, don't you have anything better to do than arguing about something you don't even have the slightest clue about? I mean, really? Nobody knows what this thing called ''Elenin'' actually is. Noone, even the scientists - everything is just speculations. Noone can tell you what exactly is going to happen. Even this thing breaking apart doesn't mean nothing is going to happen. Just tell me, how come you are so sure what you are talking about? Everything said is just wishful thinking. Everybody believes in their own story and hopes it happens to be true so they feel significant. What a comedy!

If someone came here on 10.09.2001 claiming that on the next day there are going to be terrorist attacks killing thousands of people everyone would be laughing. Yeah right, they would be planning that for years and no intelligence would spot it! But yet it happened and nobody expected it. And it was nearly a doomsday. Everyday is a doomsday for someone and they don't expect it. So be honest at least with yourselves and admit you don't know a heck about neither Elenin, nor what is going to happen on Earth in the upcoming months, not to mention years.

Scepticism is almost a pathological state of mind. Here is a good article about it:

Skepticism is just another form of religious fanaticism — a rejection of anything that threatens established orthodox belief systems. Skeptics are individuals intolerant of new perspectives, and therefore enemies of progress and discovery.

Sceptics & Debunkers

reply to post by Iiquiringmind

Smaller pieces would individually be more strongly influenced by Earth's gravity, if is was in fact that close.

No. Gravity acts on falling objects equally.
Remember Galileo's little experiment at Pisa? Maybe you don't:
www.jimloy.com...

The mass of small objects has very little influence on their orbit. So slight that it doesn't really matter.
www.calctool.org...

reply to post by fleabit


Nice. You totally missed what I said in that post, but that's cool, I'm used to people not reading. I never said that those things were related to Comet Elenin actually, but thanks for making that connection for me. I just stated that there were a lot of things going on worldwide right now, and in my opinion, something is coming or going to happen, I just don't know or want to speculate what it is. But again, thanks for making that connection for me. In addition, I didn't even say that all those things I listed were factual. If I did, I would have sourced them. But I was just throwing topics out there as ideas. But again, thank you for the words in my mouth, they taste great!

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by Phage

 

www.thefreedictionary.com...
Nope satellites are not falling through space.Some may fall back to earth but saying that they can fall through space is not a good way to help us understand.The link you gave doesn't prove that objects are falling through space.I do get what your trying to say i think.The way i see it would depend on the mass of the object vs the force that broke it apart.

Objects in orbit ARE always falling toward the object they are orbiting.

Elenin is falling toward the Sun. The Moon is falling toward the Earth. The Earth is falling toward the Sun. That's exactly what an orbit is -- falling due to the influence of gravity.

The example I gave before is the Space Station that is falling toward the Earth. The Earth's gravity is pulling down the space station in the same manner that it pulls a thrown rock back to Earth.

Check out my post above (or click Here to link to my post) for additional information.

edit on 8/30/2011 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

Im not trying to be stubborn here but what about geosynhronous orbit.
en.wikipedia.org...

You just made me think im gonna have a space station and the moon hit me someday.

its just a comet. is this definitly comfirmed? not just by nasa i mean but by other astronomers.

reply to post by deadeyedick

What about a geosynchronous orbit?
It's just an orbit at an altitude which provides an orbital velocity which matches the Earth's rotation at the equator. It's still falling around the Earth.

Geosynchronous Orbit.

It isn't flying. It is falling with style.

reply to post by ChachiArcola


See that is my one issue, how do we know it is not some site admin. or site owner spewing this stuff out to get site hits...I know the camelot avalon people wold stop at nothing less than pulling something of this sort.

This why I was skeptical about posting my original piece on this issue a few weeks back. But when I researched and understood that it would be quite possible to send and receive a signal from earth to outer space and back, and had been done so by a group of high school students to the astronauts, I started pondering if we could go further. Hence why I wanted to get the info out there.

Now there is an apparent audio tape of a frequency that has been non verified to be elenin. Could we have pushed the message out there loud and clear or again is it just the work of someones trickery?

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by whiteblack
I say thank you to God for breaking this elenin comet before heading to the earth. Praise to God! I guess someone prayed that the comet would break apart...it did...

I, for one, do not want to see Elenin comet go anywhere near to the earth. That another comet called 2005 YU55, too.

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Thankfully Yu 55 is only about 400 meters across and a known object. At worst, someone could have made a mistake and it would make a little puff of dust as it hit the moon. That might actually be entertaining to see, come to think of it. It's no threat to Earth by any reasoning though, unless you happened to be directly under it, and that would still require quite a miscalculation to see happen.

Nothing to see there, quite literally, since it's an asteroid.

Your assumptions are dead wrong.
The Tunguska Meteor was only 120feet across and exploded with the power of 184 Hiroshima bombs.

Above: The location of the Tunguska impact.
"A century later some still debate the cause and come up with different scenarios that could have caused the explosion," said Yeomans. "But the generally agreed upon theory is that on the morning of June 30, 1908, a large space rock, about 120 feet across, entered the atmosphere of Siberia and then detonated in the sky."
It is estimated the asteroid entered Earth's atmosphere traveling at a speed of about 33,500 miles per hour. During its quick plunge, the 220-million-pound space rock heated the air surrounding it to 44,500 degrees Fahrenheit. At 7:17 a.m. (local Siberia time), at a height of about 28,000 feet, the combination of pressure and heat caused the asteroid to fragment and annihilate itself, producing a fireball and releasing energy equivalent to about 185 Hiroshima bombs.
"That is why there is no impact crater," said Yeomans. "The great majority of the asteroid is consumed in the explosion."
Yeomans and his colleagues at JPL's Near-Earth Object Office are tasked with plotting the orbits of present-day comets and asteroids that cross Earth's path, and could be potentially hazardous to our planet. Yeomans estimates that, on average, a Tunguska-sized asteroid will enter Earth's atmosphere once every 300 years.

science.nasa.gov... a/

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by deadeyedick

 

What about a geosynchronous orbit?
It's just an orbit at an altitude which provides an orbital velocity which matches the Earth's rotation at the equator. It's still falling around the Earth.

Im following you but is it in orbit or falling?
Are you saying that height=velocity

Should we change the definition of falling to say any travel by means of gravity?