Survey Results: Origins and Evolution

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

Like nenothtu mentioned, can you show me one biblical reference to North America?

No but i can give you biblical reference to how humans were created. Which i did in the post above.

On the contrary you cannot provide one biblical reference to the theory of evolution.

I will again ask you to consider your stance.

reply to post by Gorman91

I'm not too sure, because I kind of saw it on the graph on the science channel and it seemed a bit more than that little.

If you search out the original publication and calculate the changes in decay rate based on the data presented, they're on the order of months over periods of thousands of years. Also keep in mind that the variations are cyclical on a very short scale relative to most dating methods -- 33 days, if I remember correctly. This means that over a long enough period of time, those variations will average out and be meaningless.

Aside this point, what is now doesn't mean it always was that way. We do not know what causes it, but chances are if it is in fact seasonal, it probably means its the sun. And if it's the sun, there's a few billion suns around us, that in those 4.5 billion years may have exploded, unleashing God knows what and affecting God knows what.

Interesting that you mention stars exploding, as one of the way we can verify that radioisotopic decay rates haven't changed significantly over time is by measuring gamma emissions from supernovae, some from several billion years ago. And they all agree with our current measured terrestrial decay rates.

reply to post by iterationzero


Well I'm not exactly sure how Gamma rays would show that, being they are not something that decays the same way as atomic nuclei and radioactive particles do.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Judging others? That is not my intention at all. The Bible tells us to expose false prophets and that's simply what im doing...

No, you're not, you are sitting in judgement. Go back and re-read the Bible, for understanding this time rather than speed, and gain a working knowledge of what a "prophet" is, whether false or not.

Hint: Prophets claim to speak for God.

YOU actually come closer to filling the bill.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


There it is, in your post. You don't believe in Evolution because the bible does not directly mention it. By this logic, you don't believe North America exist.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


However, could the dust of the ground not be allegory for those species that came before? When a creature dies it just ends up providing nutrients to the Earth. So, the "dust" that Adam was made from would not exist without creatures living and dying before him.

I'm quite heartened by the results of this poll, it's not a result I expected on this site. I've been losing respect for ATS in recent years for what I perceive to be an insidious sickness gradually taking over what used to be an interesting community. I'm disappointed more often than I would like visiting a site with the motto 'Deny Ignorance' only to see a debate on whether the Earth is younger than the domestication of the dog or some other such inexcusable and indefensible idiocy. I may tolerate the vocal minority a little more until they finally take over this site and the community becomes utterly worthless. An entertaining thread, hat off to the quality posters.

Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by AwakeinNM

 

1) anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of evolution knows we didn't evolve from monkeys.
2) anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of scientific method knows that a scientific theory is not wild speculation.
3) anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of palaeontology knows that each new fossil does not throw a monkey wrench into the theory (not hypothesis, learn the difference) of evolution.

Educate yourself before making such ignorant statements. How can such a factually-compromised post get starred?

edit on 29-8-2011 by john_bmth because: (no reason given)

Because this site is full of factually-compromised members. Don't you pay attention?

That was sarcasm, Jack.

So tell me, Mr. Scientific Method, why is it that every time a big scientific discovery is made, it only opens up a plethora of new questions - more than it answers? And sometimes it even turns accepted hypotheses on their heads.

Natural process is a process existing in or produced by nature, that's what evolution is, are you going to try and argue that too? i think most evolutionists here will agree on that. So then how in turn does evolution "prove the breath of life like you say" ? are you saying God is the result of evolution too? or are you denying it was a miracle?

There is no mention of an amoeba living in the mud, or god breathing the breath of life into an ape creature, so what your saying is purely an opinion/fantasy and is not scriptualy backed up, so i don't understand why you would believe something that is not supported by scripture which holds the upmost authority.

"The only think we know is that God formed man from the mud, and tat he breathed into him a living being. Beyond that? Speculation" - Exactly and this is why your claim of belief of evolution being true is pure speculation. It doesn't say we came from an ameoba or lower life form because that's not what happened, if it was do you not think that would have been included in genesis?

I think ive proven my point, and won this debate.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


A little surprised by the results myself & perhaps even some interpreted "supernatural" to involve multiple creations, alternate realities, and ETs within the concept of higher power/supreme creator.

I am surprised to find only descriptive statistics, here, on ATS.

Can someone tell me if multiple correlations, ANOVA, etc. were run, for what if it is worth, and if they are merely thrown out due to insignificance?

Would be even more interesting to see correlations/predictive stats on this or future surveys--while not that meaningful in most self-reported data-gathering, it still might provide further insights.

Thanks to the creators/responders/analyzers.

reply to post by TrailGator

agreed that this doesn't surprise me in the least. Look at the topics constantly started with the sole purpose of demeaning, deriding, pretty much displaying absolute disdain for those who believe by faith, the Word of God.

Yeah, because there are absolutely no threads created by the believers "with the sole purpose of demeaning, deriding, pretty much displaying absolute disdain for" those who don't share their view. Not a single one. Nope.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


What does the will and word of other men matter to me when I have my mind, my lord, and my heart given to him?

I see no reason to view evolution as anything but a miracle by his hands. Evolution is not natural. The Natural order is to die. To decay. To go into the pit. This is why the Earth and heaven are washing away to be replaced!

How could God be the result of evolution? He is always! Constant! rock against time and all force.

There is no mention of an amoeba living in the mud, or god breathing the breath of life into an ape creature, so what your saying is purely an opinion/fantasy and is not scriptualy backed up, so i don't understand why you would believe something that is not supported by scripture which holds the upmost authority.

because evolution IS speculation. It IS fantasy. Because until we have a time machine to absolutely prove it, it is our best guess. It is subject to change as new data is acquired. It is not declared false in the Bible, so therefore it is perfectly plausible. And there is no reason to cause DIVIDE AND HATRED in its name. Calling people fake Christians if they think evolution is true.

Many things are not included in the bible but did happen. I am breathing right now. This is not in his word. But it is truth. I am breathing right now. I, Gorman91, am breathing. I am alive. I am knowing of his ways. Though I show up no where in that word of his, I exist, I am real. I am not speculation nor am I theory. Evolution is no different.

Belief in evolution is belief in a theory. Science is not Constant. New data is acquired, processed, and theories changed. Having "faith" or "belief" in anything of the sciences just shows how little you actually know. When I say I believe evolution is true, because it is of the sciences, what I am really saying is " I believe data acquired shows it to be true."

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

You realize the only reason your alive now is because God is giving you a chance to repent and put your trust is his son Jesus so you can have eternal life and be reborn? Our days are numbered my friend.

The only reason I'm alive is because my father ejaculated in my mother and a sperm happened to reach an egg that time. Anything else is pure speculation.

But what if our view of time and causation is flawed, and instead we inhabit a non-localized (holistic), quantum holographic universe, and as evolved, self aware spiritual beings, represent, as the last, the freshest, or more recent expression of an eternal, cosmic evolutionary process - the crowning glory of the creative intent (will)? What if that's closer to the truth, what then? What would be the implication of a morphogenesis arising or emanating from a first/last cause in eternity, or an Alpha and Omega, as source? What if the human being is in truth the highest variable of a supreme value? What if we really are, as evolved beings made spiritual, from our animal origins or phylos, the manifestation of the Absolute/Godhead? And what if the religious, esoteric interpretation, isn't really the core truth at the heart of the Bible? What if we are all missing the most essential fact of our existence, and experience as human beings, as created AND evolved beings, and by ignoring it, or glossing it over, are negating thee very wisdom of all ages, along with the truth that sets us free in eternity.. what then? What even greater ignorance might we be plunging ourselves into, for no other reason than a contemptuous bias, prior to a full investigation, a surefire recipe to keeping a man or woman in everlasting ignorance!
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So this whole thread is not only very sad, but frightening, for those among us who pray fervently for the dawning of a new age of spirit AND reason rejoined together again at last.

"The kingdom of heaven, is like a man, a storekeeper, who brings forth from his storehouse both something old and something new."

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

There it is, in your post. You don't believe in Evolution because the bible does not directly mention it. By this logic, you don't believe North America exist.

edit on 29-8-2011 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

Not only that, but don't drink hot chocolate - the devil just put coca beans there to fool folks into thinking the western hemisphere exists!

Originally posted by Gorman91
I see no reason to view evolution as anything but a miracle by his hands. Evolution is not natural. The Natural order is to die. To decay. To go into the pit. This is why the Earth and heaven are washing away to be replaced!

Yeah - changing - ie evolving.....

How could God be the result of evolution? He....

who said he/she/it was??

But I don't think god exists at all - so I'm with you on this one

But I'm also curious why you think your god is male?? Does he have a willy? who does he get to bonk??!!

because evolution IS speculation. It IS fantasy

Nosireee......it is absolutely factual - in our own lifetimes it is why we have anti-biotic resistant diseases and round-up-resistent crops.

Saying evolution does not exist is jsut plain wrong.

But I think what you MEAN is that evolution of het species by means of natural selection is a theory. As are various other theories about how species evolve.

And you would be right to say thay are "speculation" - but they arespeculation for which there is a gret deal of evidence - such as the longer term evolution of such large animals as sheep, cattle, horses, etc. we havent' actually seen speciation among them yet tho.

So to say it is a FANTASY is also mistaken. the fact that it is a theory does not make it fantasy - there ARE good evidential reasons for believing it is true - even if you do not accept that evidence it is still there.

Unlike, say, stories written thousands of years ago by people we know little or nothing of beyond their own writings - those ARE fantasies!

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

However, could the dust of the ground not be allegory for those species that came before? When a creature dies it just ends up providing nutrients to the Earth. So, the "dust" that Adam was made from would not exist without creatures living and dying before him.

When you break it right down, ALL things on Earth are "made from the dust of the ground". Where else would the basic raw materials come from?

The basic debate seems to revolve around just what made it organize itself into a gum tree, for example. Whether there was an outside agency, or whether one day some amino acids got bored and randomly organized themselves.

reply to post by Gorman91


Wait so evolution is not a natural process? Theirs going to be alot of darwnists angry with you now for saying that, since you are misrepresenting their theory.

I didn't think you was a real Theistic Evolutionist... You are one of those people that claims to be everything, its a good doublethink tactic i get it.

You obviously do not know the correct definition of what the secular science community defines evolution. I find this weird to be defending them but a "theory" in the science world is actually considered more than just wild speculation or fantasy.

I think you are a rather confused individual. Because If you believed God's word then you would not be believing in fantasy as being truth, but rather you would go off what the bible says.

Stars - everything on earth was once star dust - all the heavier elements (than hydrogen) were created inside stars by fusion......so if homeopathy is actually true then we should all feel absolutely energised by the memory of theost stars that those atoms carry with them......

reply to post by Vitchilo


No, but they believe that youtube is a credible source for UFO evidence.