Police Officer tasers a mentally handicapped man who is complying!

reply to post by Domo1


I have arrested probably close to 100 people in my life. Some have resisted but the only probably getting cuffs on people is them putting their arms under themselves. Its fairly easy to stop a person who is resisting once one hand is cuffed. You can use one cuffed hand as leverage and twist a persons hand to get compliance. However, in this video I do not even see the officer make an attempt. Something that I consider to be a sign, the person is not really worried about their safety.

reply to post by Domo1


lol that was me who said the man video taping was as much of an a-hole! also drugs and booze would have effected his ability to stand up correctly. Lets be honest here the man was "retarded" even though i hate to use that word and it effects the way you look.

If the guy is so retarded that he can't follow the orders of an officer then why is he out without a handler? The guy taking the video is just trying to cause trouble as he is looking for his 15 minutes at the expense of the retarded guy. They talked about it before the officer escalated the response in plenty of time to inform the officer of the status of the suspect. It was too late after he acted. I applaud the lady for standing up to the real retard. If the retarded guy was reported causing trouble then the officer had every right to cuff him for the safety of himself and the public before questioning. The officer isn't clairvoyant and would have no idea as to the status of the suspect before issuing orders.

Personally, I would rather be tasered than shot any day. I've tasered myself accidentally playing with one and it hurts. It's somewhat similar to not removing contact with a patient when some says clear before shocking a cardiac problem. I think I would prefer it over a beating. But then again, I don't give an officer grief unless I know him/her. That doesn't mean I won't argue my point of view politely but the street or side of the road isn't the place for righteous indignation.

Having your hands up and just staring is not complying.

wth? what else could he do, should he pull his pants down and bend over?

i usually side with the cops but this looks like a bully with a badge to me.

reply to post by ExPostFacto


I'm not trying to get into a pee pee contest but I have probably cuffed about 300 people and I'm a strong big boy. It's not easy when someone starts fighting. Were you a cop?

I will agree that I was surprised he didn't attempt to put on cuffs.

I still maintain that NO ONE here actually knows the full story, and therefore judgment should wait.
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wth? what else could he do, should he pull his pants down and bend over? i usually side with the cops but this looks like a bully with a badge to me.

Commands would have been to lay down. He didn't which means he was not complying.

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by gunshooter

 

The cop should have waited for back up at that point, but for some reason thought it would be better to just shoot him.

I agree with that but let me point out we could not hear the back and forth between the officer and guy. The guy could have starting tensing up (we used to call it flashing when someone on drugs would be fine and then just freak out) and made the cop fear for his safety. Hell maybe the guy said 'in 4 seconds I am going to try to shoot you'.

My point is we don't know, and therefor internet posturing and anger makes no sense.

Whatever happened before this altercation must not have been that bad, or other cops would have been on the scene already, or at least immediately after the guy was tased. And it didn't matter what the guy said... He was not proposing himself as a threat to the officer, or anyone else... He did not make any rash arm movements, dig into his pockets, move around, walk forward, try to evade... Nothing... Even if he said 'I'm gonna kill you' doesn't justify this, as the guy is obviously in no position to kill this cop, given he was at the end of the cross-hair.

This cop should have waited for backup, and taken him to the ground. Had the guy did anything physically threatening or attempted an evasion in the window of 'waiting', then the taser seems more likely a choice.

As for what happened before this, or what the guy could have said verbally, simply doesn't justify this means of force. Sure, tasers are marked as 'non-lethal' but they are still extremely painful and can even kill you. They should not be the first line of offense, because you are lazy and have no patience.

reply to post by BeyondPerception


Actually I agree. Of course what the guy said shouldn't come into play.

I will disagree with the assertion he couldn't have done anything that bad. We have no idea how far other cops wer etc. Police response time takes awhile. That co could have already been in the parking lot.

It should be compulsary for any Police cadet to do a minimum of a week's course on learning about the mentally challenged and visit hospices and special needs classes; then a top up every 2 years for 3 days training.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by MitchL61

 

I have an autistic son, and I cannot imagine the situation he will be in with these types of officers walking the streets. They would probably shoot him when he walked right toward them, not understanding their commands. I suppose the officer will cite officer safety as the reason for using a taser, but what happened to waiting for back up or restraining the individual first? I do not see any attempt to cuff the individual even after he is on the ground. Failure to cuff an individual for an officer should amount to intentional police brutality. Obviously this man was no threat and a pair of cuffs works wonders at controlling an individual, more then a foot on the back. Who is this officer kidding?

Wow i don't have an autistic son and this video made me feel sick at all parties involved. The cop can claim ignorance which is interesting considering civilians cannot when it comes to the law. That means if you do something wrong even if you don't know its wrong your still going to jail. Kind of seems like a double standard to me

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by BeyondPerception

 

Actually I agree. Of course what the guy said shouldn't come into play.

I will disagree with the assertion he couldn't have done anything that bad. We have no idea how far other cops wer etc. Police response time takes awhile. That co could have already been in the parking lot.

Either way, it's irrelevant, because the officer had control of the situation once he had the guy in his cross hair, and the guy was no longer proposing himself as a threat to the officer or anyone else. Use of 'non-lethal' but potentially deadly force in this scenario was uncalled for. It's not a cop's job to decide what punishment someone deserves.

Use of deadly force was obviously of no priority, given that he was using his taser. And it's not likely the guy had a weapon, because again, he was using his taser.

I just can't add up anything here in favor of the officer's actions. Just my view.

reply to post by Domo1


I don't know what has happened to the police in this day and age. I am glad you know all about what is and isn't compliance and how your protocol works. However the rest of the populous isn' that fortunate. I have no idea when all of this crap came into being,. If it has? All I know is the police apparently are so afraid of everyone they come into contact with maybe all of you should get out of the kitchen. Jerks like this who needs them. I certainly don't.

I had an experience with one of those over-zelous cops on the 4th of July. After watching the fire works show with my children I had taken them home and was on my way to Crystal River at around 10:30 pm to spend the night on my boat.

I had stopped and gotten gas in my Jeep and I guess I had gotten some bad gas because my Jeep started running rough and backfired a couple of times and stalled out so I pulled off in a Walgreens parking lot so that I would not be a danger to traffic.

I had the hood up on my Jeep and was trying to figure out what was wrong when a motorcycle cop that was sitting at the light announced over his loud speaker to "leave the parking lot immediately". I honestly didn't think he was talking to me but I tried to start my Jeep and leave and it would not start. He then announced not to make him come over to me because he had already warned me and I would go to jail.

Well my Jeep still wouldn't start so I grabbed my phone and was calling a wrecker when he pulled into the parking lot. He could see my hood was up and asked me for all the usual "papers" which I gave to him. He ran my info and came back and began yelling at me that I had disobeyed a lawful order and that if I didn't leave immediately I would be arrested. I had tried to explain that my Jeep was broke down but he didn't care and continued to yell at me and began to get to the point that I thought he was going to tase me. He threatened to tase me so I told him I was calling a wrecker and instead called 911 and told them where I was and I needed assistance.

The dispatcher stayed on the line and could hear the deputy yelling at me. I eventually asked the deputy what happened to protect and serve to which he told me not to get smart with him. Luckily about this time 2 seperate deputies arrived on scene. After several minutes the higher ranking deputy said that I was free to go and I called a wrecker to come get me. One of the deputies that had arrived when I called 911 stayed with me until the wrecker arrived and apologized to me.

The following morning I called the sheriff's dept to complain about the actions of the motorcycle cop and they pretty much implied that it was my fault for being in the parking lot of a drug store when it was closed. I learned that day that even if you see a cop doing wrong it will do no good to to call and complain about them because they protect their own. Now it's even worse with the new law that you can't video, photo, or record them. Anyone whom calls and reports the bad acts of a cop is just setting them selves up for repercussions IMO. That's why if I see one breaking the law I mind my business and let them mind theirs.

reply to post by Nucleardiver


Damn. Crappy story...

That is a nice example of sheer ignorance of the deputy and carelessness on the department's end.

The way it seems to work, is that if you make a mistake, you'll get a bullet.

If they make a mistake, they get paid vacation. Or worst off, they continue working their regular shift.

People don't seem to understand what a police state is, and that RESPECTING the police, isn't our jobs as citizens, simply because they have a badge. The more we live by this mindset of 'the officer know's right and can never do wrong' the more power we give to the police state. The police should respect us, and if they want respect they should earn it... It shouldn't come with the badge.

reply to post by Domo1


haha...I said arrested, not cuffed. I have assisted in possibly hundreds more arrests. We do not have to get into a match of show and tell I am not a cop, although I am POST certified. I worked for casinos as security for many years in Nevada. We got the crazies and drunk folks, we got fighters too. We got prostitutes, pimps, drug deals, gang bangers, everything you can imagine. But the one thing I noticed, is that officers that did not immediately attempt to apply cuffs, were always the ones getting into scuffles with people. In training courses I learned this same thing. If you do not cuff someone you are 99% more likely to get into an altercation with them.

I am a bit bias with respect to cuffing, because I know if someone is wrestling me I grab an arm apply the cuff and twist it like hell I can easily gain compliance. I am not a big guy, so maybe I rely on getting them in cuffs quicker then the bigger guys that think they could take a person down by fighting.

However, in this video, we all must admit why there are no cuffs being applied if this person is a danger. The cop looked like he was just itching for another reason to zap him with voltage. An officer would have a tough time explaining tazering someone in cuffs. This is another reason I think cops should cuff people immediately. If not for their own image, but to reduce the perceived public opinion that is created in situations like the one depicted in the OP.

Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer
Personally, I would rather be tasered than shot any day. I've tasered myself accidentally playing with one and it hurts.

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This is probably the dumbest thing that I read ALL DAY!

Besides, Taser is not for use in deadly force, guns are.

2nd Taser have proven to be deadly, there is a long list of deaths from Taser... and this stupid cop shoots the guy in the chest! I swear either cops are ill informed on Taser or just plain sissy stupid.

I'm usually skeptical of these videos but man I see no reason to taze this guy.
I would like to know the whole story though.

Another example of a sissy cop,my brother retired from the PD for same reason,said they hire too many unqualified officers,more like acting like boys not men,disgraceful

Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer
If the guy is so retarded that he can't follow the orders of an officer then why is he out without a handler?

Are you serious?

Originally posted by Domo1
You guys don't know what happened, or what commands the officer was giving. Having your hands up and just staring is not complying. You all are also just taking the youtube uploaders comments as fact.

There's this concept. You might have heard of it. It's called freedom.

Part of the definition of it is not being repeatedly tasered by psychopathic police simply because every single time they say jump, we don't say how high.

A police officer should not have the expectation that literally any command given to a civilian should be unquestioningly obeyed. They do think that in America now, and most of the acts of brutality I've seen in these sorts of videos, were of people who were abused for refusing to obey commands, which they should not have had to obey in the first place.

Originally posted by BeyondPerception
So I take it that 'putting your hands up' is the new form of 'resisting' right?...

Who's the retard again?

Awesome post!

Thank heavens they are protecting us.