Chemtrails 303

Originally posted by luxordelphi
"Aluminum sulfate also lowers soil pH, but we do not recommend its use because of potential harmful side effects (aluminum toxicity) to plant roots, which can significantly reduce plant growth."

It's not the aluminum that's doing it. It's the sulfur. Iron sulfate would do the same, as would raw sulfur.

Adding aluminum or aluminum oxide to soil would not change the pH.

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All that is fine, although more recent studies are seeing things a bit differently about the Alzheimer's and aluminum connection. I know because I am the caretaker of my MIL who has Alzheimer's. There are many other factors that seem more likely to be the cause and it is still being researched until a real answer can be found.
What your post is lacking is a link between the visible exhaust plume of an airplane and the pollution in question. You should look up the article I posted earlier. Half of the mercury pollution found in the US comes from China. Mercury toxicity is even more of an issue, yet people dealing with "chemtrails" seem to think barium and aluminum, both common in crustal earth, are the threat.
I would be much more worried about mercury than something found in brick dust, wouldn't you?

Chaff is aluminum is chaff is aluminum...what is chaff? - it's aluminum.

www.californiaskywatch.com...

"In the 1980's, the cost of chaff was further reduced by replacing solid aluminum with hair-like silica glass fibers with a thin aluminum coating. Chaff was once produced using lead, and the Air Force still has some chaff containing lead in its inventory."

"The Air Force, the Navy, and the Marine Corps are the leading users of chaff. Air Force records indicate they used nearly 2 million 6- to 7- ounce bundles worldwide in fiscal year 1996 and about 1.8 million bundles in fiscal year 1997. Navy and Marine Corps aircraft together expended more than 340,000 and 354,000 similarly sized bundles in fiscal years 1996 and 1997, respectively. They also reported using 158 rolls in fiscal year 1996 and 593 rolls in fiscal year 1997. The services use chaff on training ranges around the world. The Air Force uses about 39 ranges in the United States and off its coast; the Navy and the Marine Corps use 14 ranges."

www.fas.org...

.(7) chaff can affect safety by interfering with air traffic control radar; (8) chaff can also affect weather radar observations and the operation of friendly radar systems, especially when vehicles stir up chaff that has settled on the ground; (9) the services have a number of ongoing initiatives to address concerns about the unintended and potential effects of chaff; (10) for example, DOD has entered into or is negotiationg agreements with other federal agencies to address issues related to commercial air safety, weather forecasting, and environmental impacts on public lands;"

From 'Report to the Honorable Harry Reid, U.S. Senate' Sept. 1998

"CHAFF IS COMPOSED OF ALUMINUM-COATED SILICA GLASS FIBERS THAT CAN BE SPREAD BY AIRCRAFT IN FLIGHT, SHIPS AT SEA, AND VEHICLES ON THE GROUND..." [Caps added]

"YOU EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT DOD'S CONTINUED USE OF CHAFF FOR DECADES WITHOUT SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE OF ITS LONG-TERM EFFECTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT." [Caps added]

"CHAFF MAY BE DISPERSED...IN A CONTINUOUS STREAM OF OVER 30 POUNDS PER MINUTE." [Caps added]

"Concern about the potential effects of chaff continues to be an issue and has been expressed mainly by citizens and various public interest groups. In addition, some DOD research on the effects of chaff has expressed concerns and recommended further research. Most of the public concerns center around its effects on human health and the environment including the potential for chaff particles to be inhaled or ingested and chaff's effects on land, water, plants, and animals."

So - not done by airliners then, not looking like a cloud, not done to modify the weather.......in short chaff is a well known radar jammer that wasn't sddenly being sprayed from airliners in teh mid 1990's, and it is big enough so that it is easily recogniseable under a microscope.

In short - nothing at all like teh chemtrails you would have us all believe in.

Another chemmie "evidence" fail!

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Most comments from the military will suggest that Chaff is a relic left over from the Vietnam War.

I wonder what the source is for that statement?

It seems like something the autor has invented to justify the theory that something nefarious is going on & there's some sort of cover up.

Of course you can read about modern developments regarding chaff on defence oriented sites such as FAS and Global Security - chaff dispensers are delpoyed aboard ships all through the 1990's & later - for example teh Danish Absalon Class has Terna SKWS dispensers fitted, and BAe continued to develop their systems with the Mk 36 SRBOC decoy system- do you think someone forgot to send the memo to the world's navies & the industrial-military complex??

Aren't you ashamed to be putting such flimsy "research" into a public forum??

The accidental contractor and H.R.580/S.311:

'AOC, the Electronic Warfare & Information Operations Association' 'Missile Defense Systems for the American Commercial Airline Fleet'
www.fas.org...

"Position Statement. AOC, the Electronic Warfare & Information Operations Association, advocates and urges that the federal government rapidly research, develop, purchase and install a surface-to-air missile detection and deterrent system for the American commercial airline fleet. This action would provide a viable means of protecting the public and the airline industry from this very real terrorist threat. (Adopted February 2003)"

"One immediate conclusion is that existing or near-term military technologies are candidates to protect the civilian airline fleet and its' passengers."

"The countermeasures that provide the ability to deceive and deflect missile threats include jammers, IR chaff, flares and decoy heat sources."

"Newer technological offerings in this category, intended to overcome the above mentioned shortcomings, include thin foil metal discs that oxide and leave residue clouds that can distract and confuse..."

en.wikipedia.org...

In 2003, Senator Barbara Boxer (CA-D) and Congressman Steve Israel (NY-D) introduced legislation in both the House and Senate (H.R. 580/s.311 The Commercial Airline Missile Defense Act) that directed the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to sponsor a research and development program that would result in a missile defense system that could be installed on commercial airliners; the bill also authorized funding for the program."

"As a result, the DHS initiated the 'counter-MANDPADS' or 'C-MANPADS' program in January, 2004, which tasked several defense contractors to adapt existing military countermeasures systems to commercial usage."

"...flight testing began in August, 2005 on a FedEx Express McDonnell Douglas MD-11. Flight tests were then conducted on a Boeing 747 which FedEx leased from Air Atlanta Icelandic."

"A civilian version of the system is being developed under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's Project CHLOE."

"FedEx Express became the first air carrier to deploy the Guardian on a commercial flight in September 2006..."

Originally posted by luxordelphi
The accidental contractor and H.R.580/S.311:

From fas.org/asmp/campaigns 'AOC, the Electronic Warfare & Information Operations Association' 'Missile Defense Systems for the American Commercial Airline Fleet'

(underlining is mine)

So these defence systems to be fitted to commercial a/c were suggested in the early 2000's by an organisation of companies that wants to sell them, and somehow that is evidence of a secret programme to poison us all that has been going on since hte mid 1990's that you can't actually find any real evidence for??

How does that relate to the chemtrails from the mid 1990's?

Are any actually fitted to "normal" commercial a/c yet - appart from El Al of course??

And since they are defensive against missiles, what is your explaination for why "chemtrails" are apparently coming from a/c in high altitude cruise over oceans and the middle of hte USA? who do you think is shooting missiles at them there that required them to activate their defences?

Why are these defences apparently working with no missile tracks in the sky?

And...oh dear....the actual usefulness of chaff for defending airliners is limited:

Countermeasures
Although passenger aircraft may not quite be the sitting ducks at first imagined, the less good news is that merely converting military antimissile systems to civil use does not provide a simple technical answer. There are several potential countermeasure technologies available—small decoy flares, infrared jammers, high-powered lasers, chaff, and towed decoy targets—but not all are suitable for civil aircraft applications. Most military countermeasures rely on dispensing at high speed various forms of chaff/IR decoy cartridges, combined with violent maneuvering. But dispensing chaff and burning flares directly over built-up areas near an airport while taking the aircraft to the limits of its performance envelope—with only 10 seconds’ warning—are not really feasible solutions.

- from Aerospace America, 2003

that's 3 "evidence" fails in a row - shouldn't you be out by now??!!!

Thanks OP again for your thread. Hope you got the information I laid out while it was there to get and good luck with the Shasta thing. That's going to be it for me.

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Read the links they put with it. Theres a reason they removed a single post.

and please, stay on topic.

And gaul, good job on the research, didnt know some of the thing in there,mind if I save some of those sites for future reference?

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Yes there is a reason. It's called "Checkmate" in chess..

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Originally posted by TheRealMrX
Hundreds of independent lab test results from around the world too numerous to mention here have formed a consensus.

Perhaps you could reference a few of them? From different parts of the world. Maybe a couple of dozen?

And how many involved testing so-called chemtrails? As opposed to being routine soil sample studies which offer not data on the origin of any substances found therein.

You have the evidence, pray let us see it