Does God truely protect us. My true story of proof.

Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

That depends on the criteria used.

If you want to nitpick, sure. None of us lead perfect lives though, I know I haven't. Can anyone say they have?

In other contexts this may have been relevant, but this thread is about 'proof' on the implied ethics in the bible/the christianities. Referring back to the premises of what's so to speak is 'at stake', is just circle-argumentation. Criteria from outside this self-contained position you present are expected.

And Satan is just the other side of the same coin of this self-contained system and argument.

A faith-based assumption, not a part of any reasoning-chain leading to 'proofs'.

This thread may be about proof, but that wasn't what the context of my post was referring to. It was directed at the implications God exists, and that He is an asshole. The implication I was debating makes the assumption God is real, and places blame on Him. If the assumption that God is real is made, the assumption that Satan is real must also be made, I only made it clear that it isn't so one-sided.

It doesn't make STANDARD "perfectly logical sense". It may make CHRISTIAN logical sense.

If you believe Standard is less than Christian logic, sure. You ignored my analogy, but I know you don't like to focus on them anyways.

A logical individual would not waste time/money on an investment he knows would fail, simply put.

read this link,it explains a lot about human belief in god >www.bibleandscience.com...

reply to post by Lionhearte


You wrote:

["If you want to nitpick, sure."]

Guilty as charged. Opposing a position supporting a logically-collapsed, monopoly-seeking, towards-other-religions-derogatory, circle-argumented and occasionally-violence-erupting system IS nitpicking.

Which ofcourse shows the general shortcomings mankind has, expressed thusly:

Quote: ["None of us lead perfect lives though, I know I haven't. Can anyone say they have?"]

Possibly or most likely leading straight to the conclusion that a specificically created version of a deity MUST be the right answer to existence.

so for those that believe in god...what do you think he/she/it looks like? god must be made of "something",if not, then god isnt real...

Originally posted by blocula
so for those that believe in god...what do you think he/she/it looks like? god must be made of "something",if not, then god isnt real...

God is spirit.


JN 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

Originally posted by blocula
so for those that believe in god...what do you think he/she/it looks like? god must be made of "something",if not, then god isnt real...

'Spiritual blindness' amongst non-believers is always a good last resort. Not many people (if any) have actually SEEN the flying spaghetti monster. As such. Us pastafarians just KNOW, that he exists...in our water so to speak...as pastafarian ritualism doesn't stay with a sip of diluted wine.

We do it the proper way, with beer or whiskey, in AMOUNTS, so a lot of water will be around eventually as testimony.

However I believe, that this thread isn't about 'direct experiences' of deity, but about abstract principles on how to interpretate unusual situations.

Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by blocula
so for those that believe in god...what do you think he/she/it looks like? god must be made of "something",if not, then god isnt real...

God is spirit.


JN 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

so god "might" be an invisible entity that lives...where? in the fourth dimension? in our hopes and fantasies?...yet...people all over the world "see" aliens and flying saucers and are laughed and ridiculed at by the mainstream! but its acceptable to have blind faith when it comes to the invisible being in the sky???

reply to post by Lionhearte


I can get behind that. It's better to lose this corrupted and slowly dying body, and go home to the Lord so we can get our new bodies that will never die. I can't wait. If the door to heaven opened up before me right now i would dive through it, even if there was no air to breathe. Thats how much i want to go home to my Lord and King. I long for the day i can stand in His glory and lift my voice together with all my brothers and sisters as one and sing his praises.

Some people will never understand us. What we believe will remain alien to them as long as they cannot believe. Jesus said he holds us in higher regard than his own disciples because we can believe without seeing his miracles when the disciples doubted even after witnessing him raise the dead and feed thousands with a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish.

What a glorious day it will be

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

I can get behind that. It's better to lose this corrupted and slowly dying body, and go home to the Lord so we can get our new bodies that will never die. I can't wait. If the door to heaven opened up before me right now i would dive through it, even if there was no air to breathe. Thats how much i want to go home to my Lord and King. I long for the day i can stand in His glory and lift my voice together with all my brothers and sisters as one and sing his praises.

Some people will never understand us. What we believe will remain alien to them as long as they cannot believe. Jesus said he holds us in higher regard than his own disciples because we can believe without seeing his miracles when the disciples doubted even after witnessing him raise the dead and feed thousands with a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish.

What a glorious day it will be

just one question...what was god doing while auschwitz was being built and operated? he/she has the power to create the heavens and the earth,but did nothing to stop this hellish place from existing?!?! if god exists then he/she must have known about it...the bible says who "the lord of this world" really is and its not a kind and loving god...www.gotquestions.org...

reply to post by blocula

so god "might" be an invisible entity that lives...where? in the fourth dimension? in our hopes and fantasies?...yet...people all over the world "see" aliens and flying saucers and are laughed and ridiculed at by the mainstream! but its acceptable to have blind faith when it comes to the invisible being in the sky???

Right, a parallel universe which is right here but invisible. Though it is here we are not in it by default but are given access to it by a gift, if we decide to be a good person who wants to do good. This dimension, when we enter it, has the spiritual power necessary to advance towards our goal, beyond what would otherwise be achievable.
The visible is what the false god of this world controls and if we rely on that, then we can not be any better than what our genetic makeup on birth allows.

just one question...what was god doing while auschwitz was being built and operated? he/she has the power to create the heavens and the earth,but did nothing to stop this hellish place from existing?!?! if god exists then he/she must have known about it...the bible says who "the lord of this world" really is and its not a kind and loving god...

Those people were working for god, the god of this world, trying to make the world a better place, according to that false god's philosophy. That same evil is still right here and has not gone away and will not untill he is killed. That will only happen when he has caused all to join him and to be killed too. We need to reject that god who has power to kill the body and to accept the true god who has the ability to save your soul.

Originally posted by blocula
so for those that believe in god...what do you think he/she/it looks like? god must be made of "something",if not, then god isnt real...

Do you believe what you look like is the real you?
I doubt that.
Your reality, what you really are and who you are goes beyond what is visible and what is subject to your environment.
What God is goes beyond any physical description.
God is visible and I have seen him many times but not in a god form but in quite ordinary forms resembling people I would meet.

reply to post by Mividau

I am sorry that my experience is lacking in what everyone deems to be a miracle.

I knew this girl many years ago who I thought was the worse person ever and probably deserved whatever evil thing ended up happening to her, including getting killed, if it came down to it.
I realized there was something wrong with me at this point and decided my religion apparently hadn't done me any good. I decided to join my fate with hers to see if somehow things could change for the better. Not for the faint of heart and ultimately not something I could long endure myself.
So much later, the result is still a mystery to me but there was something that happened to her after I had abandoned her which was this guy she was living with decided to murder her one day, and emptied a magazine at her at close range. She ended up with about that many bullet holes through her clothes without any of the bullets going into her body. By this time she had accumulated a few children so it may have been for their sake that God protected her, but protect her He did.

i have a really hard time believing in a kind and loving god who intervenes on behalf of those in need when there are so many innocent men,women and children slaughtered in this world everyday...

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by blocula

 

so god "might" be an invisible entity that lives...where? in the fourth dimension? in our hopes and fantasies?...yet...people all over the world "see" aliens and flying saucers and are laughed and ridiculed at by the mainstream! but its acceptable to have blind faith when it comes to the invisible being in the sky???

Right, a parallel universe which is right here but invisible. Though it is here we are not in it by default but are given access to it by a gift, if we decide to be a good person who wants to do good. This dimension, when we enter it, has the spiritual power necessary to advance towards out goal, beyond what would otherwise be achievable.
The visible is what the false god of this world controls and if we rely on that, then we can not be any better than what our genetic makeup on birth allows.

just one question...what was god doing while auschwitz was being built and operated? he/she has the power to create the heavens and the earth,but did nothing to stop this hellish place from existing?!?! if god exists then he/she must have known about it...the bible says who "the lord of this world" really is and its not a kind and loving god...

Those people were working for god, the god of this world, trying to make the world a better place, according to that false god's philosophy. That same evil is still right here and has not gone away and will not untill he is killed. That will only happen when he has caused all to join him and to be killed too. We need to reject that god who has power to kill the body and to accept the true god who has the ability to save your soul.

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I would guess, that you are as disinterested in forum-'stars' as I am. I gave you one anyway.

While I'm not in agreement on all the finer details, this is actually one of the more housebroken speculations on the 'flaw'-problem in cosmos/biological-life contexts.

thats why its called blind faith...god and satan were created by organized religions in order to fill the sheep with fear,keep them under their spell and in their control,so they will bow down and surrender their only souls to something that they have never seen,heard,touched,tasted or smelled...god...and keep filling their collection plates with $$$

Originally posted by blocula
thats why its called blind faith...god and satan were created by organized religions in order to fill the sheep with fear,keep them under their spell and in their control,so they will bow down and surrender their only souls to something that they have never seen,heard,touched,tasted or smelled...god...and keep filling their collection plates with $$$

You find yourself at a crossroads.
You can't go back, seeing you know full well where you came from.
Do you now sit down and wait for a truck to roll over you?
You want your soul, otherwise you wouldn't be so horrified at the planned fate of it by others.
I say fight for your soul. Look beyond what you see, to what is above that and demand you want your soul and you will not give it up to all this. Your request will be answered and you will somehow know things you did not know before.
Satisfaction, complacency, and apathy; those are the enemy to be overcome and you need tools and a real god will give those to you when you demand it. The people in the NT did not just acquiesce to a new teaching, they grasped it and fervently acquired it and the power that came with it, as the object of great desire.

reply to post by loves a conspiricy


What is your proof?

How do you know that God did not unload the gun?

How do you know that God did not make it where the man thought he was putting shells into the chamber?

Just because one is wrapped into the world of un-proofed science does not mean that there is not a Supernatural being greater then you or I that is in control.

Originally posted by ACTS 2:38
reply to post by loves a conspiricy

 

What is your proof?

How do you know that God did not unload the gun?

How do you know that God did not make it where the man thought he was putting shells into the chamber?

Just because one is wrapped into the world of un-proofed science does not mean that there is not a Supernatural being greater then you or I that is in control.

You have been around on this forum for some time, and you still haven't moved past the positions of 'agnostic' and 'gnostic' arguments.

C'mon, we did that last year and the beginning of this year for a long time, and if you missed it, there is plenty of easily available information elsewhere.

Originally posted by ACTS 2:38
reply to post by loves a conspiricy

 

What is your proof?

How do you know that God did not unload the gun?

How do you know that God did not make it where the man thought he was putting shells into the chamber?

Just because one is wrapped into the world of un-proofed science does not mean that there is not a Supernatural being greater then you or I that is in control.

was he/she in control of auschwitz ?!?! the lord of this world is evil or just does'nt give a damn...

Originally posted by bogomil
However I believe, that this thread isn't about 'direct experiences' of deity, but about abstract principles on how to interpretate unusual situations.

You're right I see things differently then most.
And yes I got a Kung Fu Panda in the sky.
Just like faith to me means What ever will be will be.
Why stress so much, Life is a gift however we obtained it.

But I do see love as a devine calling. It goes against our basic instinct's.
As the world around us seem's to prove. That was the true message of the NT.
More specificly Jesus [Dont like paul at all]. And to be that way is not being
of this world. Which is consume all, leave nothing.

And yes to me that includes consumeing humans as well. One way or another.
Let's be honest, We can't make a man in the sky or demon's our scape goat's.
Alot of this we brought onto ourselve's. Wheather we choose to own up to it or not.

If there is a god and you wanna make em proud [yes i have one per say].
Stop ignoreing whats going on. Stop passing down hate in any form to our children
Stop teaching our kids there's no hope unless god intervenes. Thats the problem
with everything. We are waiting for him to magicly fix it all.

We are our last hope and we need to fix it. To me the devine is in everything,
In everyone. Maybe the devine is that missing link. So in that line of thought
it gave us a brain. Lets use it.

If I have offended anyone I apologize. But there's big problems out there that need
our attention. You never know maybe that old saying, No one can help you untill you
help you're self applies to god. Maybe thats what its waiting for. Just a lil food for thought.

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