Does God truely protect us. My true story of proof.

reply to post by Lionhearte


You wrote:

["Tell me, is it a coincidence a Christian family could place hands on her and pray, and have heat restored to her body, vital signs stabilized and able to walk out of their a week later? Is it a coincidence she was told there was nothing left they can do, and that she will not be alive much longer - yet her belief in God had nothing to do with the miracle of her being alive to this day? Doctors don't know what cured her, and called this a miracle case."]

Some 'good' people die horrible deaths, and some 'bad' people live a long undisturbed life. Hands are put or not put, and the same pattern manifests.

And this happens in all religions, and outside religions, and only a mind which has prearranged answers and selective filters can draw definite conclusions from it.

Originally posted by followtheevidence
reply to post by Mividau

 

Thank you for sharing your poignant testimony. Miracles do happen. Some are spared, some are not. Who are we to know the mind of God? Somehow, in the end - it will all make sense (as difficult as that may be to believe or understand now). Walk in the light of His footsteps.

And in the meantime, until the 'end' makes it all clear, perhaps people in general prefer to make up their own minds about the principles guiding existence (if any).

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by loves a conspiricy
Someone not loading a gun because they are high on drugs doesnt mean god protected you

Yes it does. You undersetimate how Jesus works. He does subtle things, so as to not alarm the person that is trying to attack his children. People don't just conveniently forget how to load a shotgun, i can drink and be drunk off my ass and still remember how to load a shotgun.

edit on 27-8-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

A just as reasonable explanation is, that you overestimate the value of religious doctrines.

Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

You wrote:

["Tell me, is it a coincidence a Christian family could place hands on her and pray, and have heat restored to her body, vital signs stabilized and able to walk out of their a week later? Is it a coincidence she was told there was nothing left they can do, and that she will not be alive much longer - yet her belief in God had nothing to do with the miracle of her being alive to this day? Doctors don't know what cured her, and called this a miracle case."]

Some 'good' people die horrible deaths, and some 'bad' people live a long undisturbed life. Hands are put or not put, and the same pattern manifests.

And this happens in all religions, and outside religions, and only a mind which has prearranged answers and selective filters can draw definite conclusions from it.

Good or bad has nothing to do with it. Besides, there are no "good" people, and certainly no one is perfect, only "decent" people in the eyes of man. However, does man determine his fate? If he asserts that he is good, can he also assume that he will live a happy life? Of course not, no one can predict the future, but one must look at the individual to reveal the truth behind the broader picture.

reply to post by Mividau


Your story, although quite colorful, seems a bit melodramatic to me. I see no proof of god, or of his protection. It sound like a pretty hairy situation, but I've been through similar. I made it through with instinctive reaction. I reckon the same for you.

Seems to me that god put you in a bad situation and then abandoned you. Leaving you with 2 heroin addicts after you had already been placed in foster care. So, god sent you back and then saved your life? Far fetched.

The neighbor that called CPS saved you. Not god.

reply to post by trollz


Here is a list of some of my group homes's. You would only know if you work in the industry or
where placed there.

Peggy's Place, 1st group home.
Pologe and the nonprofit Fellowship of Lights have been lauded for their work with homeless teens, including an award-winning series of articles published in October 2005 in The Sun titled “On Their Own.” His mission, he says, has included promoting the safety and well-being of children for the last 30 years, currently through administering the all-male Harris House and...... Peggy’s Place, for female youths..... During an April 13 interview in Fellowship of Lights’ Mount Vernon headquarters, Pologe is careful when talking about specifics of what happened to Vatell Murray, but he is willing to talk about who he was.

[Side Note] Peggy's place is no longer operateing in the rule it did I was 14. Due to poor
state funding and its location across the street from the APEX THEATER. A triple x porn theater.
I also knew Vatell Murray very well. The two group homes shared in functions together. He was the sweetest
person you would ever meet. And almost every girl I knew had a crush on him.
When the article said jokes, it actually meant he was cracking on you. "Like you're so
white you'd get lost in a snow storm". And yes this was what he said to me lol. Sorry but needed
to share that about him.

Link to full article

SECOND MILE HOUSE
c/o Youth Resources Center
9601 Colesville Road, Silver Spring, MD 20901
Contact: (301) 864-4281
Hours: 24 hours, 7 days a week
Population: Teens 12-17 Male+Female Bed Capacity: 7
Services: Temporary crisis shelter for teens; individual, group and family counseling for residents; in-house school; 24 hour hotline; aftercare and supportive services; also provide services to non-residential youth and families.
Specialized Services: Bilingual staff (English/Spanish)
Restrictions: Voluntary program. Must be willing to follow program rules. Cannot be danger to self or others.

Second Mile House, Group Home

Board of Child Care in baltimore Maryland
Board of Child Care group homeThis one you get a pick with.


About why I didnt jump out a window....
Link to a pic of the house I wrote about, Third one from the right From the back you see that porch? That is as high as the front windows sat. Plus I am extremely scared of hieghts.

Second problem with you're theroy. There was 3 entrance doors. The two bottom ones where either boarded up or bricked in. Plus the locks where key entrance and exit only.

If you have anymore question's feel free to ask.

LOTZA LUV

reply to post by Lionhearte


You wrote:

["Good or bad has nothing to do with it."]

From my perspective I can only agree, as I don't operate with absolute good or bad. So there is no objective reference-frame.

Quote: ["Besides, there are no "good" people, and certainly no one is perfect, only "decent" people in the eyes of man."]

Which is why I put "good" in ' '.

Quote: ["However, does man determine his fate?"]

On the assumption that mankind has some degree of 'free will'/the option of self-organizing, some people use that option as far as it carries.

Quote: ["If he asserts that he is good, can he also assume that he will live a happy life? Of course not, no one can predict the future, but one must look at the individual to reveal the truth behind the broader picture."]

True enough, and the potential 'truth' behind the broader picture is where we started, and where we are still are.

reply to post by Lionhearte


Everything aside, I am very glad to hear that you still have time with
you're mother. In the end that is all that truely matters, LOVE.

LOTZA LUV

reply to post by Mividau




A wonderful testimony Midivau and thank you so much for sharing.



PS 91:9 If you make the Most High your dwelling--
even the LORD, who is my refuge--

PS 91:10 then no harm will befall you,
no disaster will come near your tent.

PS 91:11 For he will command his angels concerning you
to guard you in all your ways;

PS 91:12 they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

reply to post by bogomil

And in the meantime, until the 'end' makes it all clear, perhaps people in general prefer to make up their own minds about the principles guiding existence (if any).

And that is of course, the prerogative of people in general. It is as it always has been, as there is no new thing under the sun.

Lol, well i say to you and you meaning anyone. My wife and i do not have alot of money or material things, but we don't need them. We have Jesus, and we both love him more than anything and we are happy. All you need is the love of Christ and to love him with all your heart. He can bring you out of darkness and despair if you allow him to. Jesus will knock on the door to your heart, but its YOU that has to open the door and let him in, he wont just barge in and set up shop. Some people can find him easily. Some people are like me and it takes 14 years to find him, some people go their whole lives only to find him at the end. Some never find him because they cannot let go of theirselves enough to dare to hope and believe, and some cannot let go of science and venture into the realm of what cannot be explained with a text book or their professor's notes. You want true love? He has a name, and he is called Jesus Christ and he loved you before you were ever born.

in regards to the op and previous posts, i've always found it remarkably interesting on how so many can believe in the "miracles" of the religious god and jesus, in spite of so many dark events that have occurred in the bible, in history, and in modern times.

particularly with one fundamental flaw inherent in every religion - the idea that in order to be "saved", you have to believe.

this is irrefutable. if you don't believe, you won't be saved.

but this is contradictory to the god ideology - god/jesus loves all mankind, in accordance to the understanding that humanity came from god. so as a whole, humanity is his children. so logically, since he is so great, he should love everyone equally, regardless of whether they have a belief in him or not. in which case, everyone on the planet should be benefiting from his love.

but this is not the case. throughout history, millions have died in his name. millions have died to horrible disease. millions have died to natural disasters. to wars. thousands die every day due to accidents, mishaps, and crime.

in other words, he...god/jesus...does not love all humanity equally.

so, considering all these deaths, one has to ask, where is god's/jesus's love? for it would seem quite obvious that he picks and chooses Who To Love.

he picks and chooses who gets the miracles, while the rest falter....and that is not a very reassuring thought, considering that he is supposed to love All of humanity.

Think about this.

god/jesus loves all of humanity....yet only grants miracles to those who believe, or deems "worthy"... all others get the shaft...ie not saved. not helped.

"if you had only believed in my god..."

consider those parents who prayed to god for him to save their child. why should it have mattered to the omniscient one whether or not they were christian, muslim, catholic, jewish or any other denomination?

is god/jesus that shallow in which he only listens to certain prayers?


Think about this.

this is not the mark of an omniscient, All Loving Being.

so one has to consider...how can anyone believe in such a being - a being who is the supposed creator of the universe, omniscient, needs nothing, the father/mother of humanity - yet picks and chooses who is worthy of his grace?

Now consider the number of fatalities, deaths, mishaps in this world, past and present.

Apparently, regardless of what religion is subscribed to, god/jesus isn't that keen on loving all his children.


in fact, he's doing a pretty bad job of it.


Now, of course, there are those who believe that the way things are is because god is testing humanity.

But this is also a very flawed understanding, considering that god/jesus knows Everything.


Everything.


Think about this.


god knows Everything. he knows when you will be born. he knows when you will die. by that design alone, he knows how you will live. and if he knows everything there is to know about you, then there is no need to test you.

he already knows how you will test.

keep this in mind. he already knows how you will test, so the idea of him testing humanity is fundamentally flawed. he already knows the outcome, so why bother...unless he wishes to inflict pain upon humanity.

and that definitely does not make for a very wonderful being to believe in, regardless of religion.

one could argue that perhaps god/jesus simply wants you to learn from your mistakes. but this still makes for a lousy father/mother figure, considering that for many, this equates to very tough, if not harsh, love.

love that can literally kill you.

which really isn't love.


instead, perhaps people should believe in a god who is not the creator of the universe, but simply the creator of man.

perhaps people should believe in a god who is truly neutral in the designs of their livelihoods, because as history, both past and present, clearly suggests that humanity has trudged along on its own accords, and not by a super-being's design.

...and lets face it, If all that Is right now - all humanity, as it is, the world over - is god's/jesus's design, then god/jesus sucks, because the design is and has been obviously and rampantly flawed for centuries...

so perhaps humanity should believe in a god that isn't particularly interested in their welfare...but simply watches over them.

as for miracles...perhaps humanity should believe more in their own abilities, abilities and energies that reside in every human being, yet remains untapped simply out of negligence due to the vast majority choosing not to learn the magnificent scope of themselves nor how they are integrated with the life force of their planet...

but instead expend their energies on a supernatural - and superficial - being whose very design continuously disrupts the evolution of humanity.

for those who've had loved ones come back from death, consider that...and never underestimate the energy conveyed by those who truly love to those who need it.

and do not mistake such energies as being the will of a religious god.

it is the will of you. your energies that effect the outcome, as determined affected by the creator of man, a being who isn't religious.

yes, a god who isn't religious.

i know, crazy concept. but think about how much more applicable such a being is, throughout the ages, and especially today.

and consider this...humanity has all the tools it needs to become united, to live in peace as a species.

logic, rationality, love. this is inherent in every human. every human is born with these tools. one could say humans were made this way. one could even say that such a thing is because of god.

but that's where the god connection ends.

that's where humanity begins. at least, that's where it should have began.

but so far, humans have done a pretty lousy job at using all their tools, and instead have created various religious figureheads that are supposed to help them figure out how to create world peace.

and as history and the present continuously shows, such beliefs have gotten humanity - the entirety of the species - nowhere.


food for thought.


one more thing...never be foolish enough to equate luck and karma to the protection of "god/jesus"...for millions throughout the centuries have been maimed or killed because of bad luck/bad karma...


as well as simple stupidity.

Originally posted by solardez

in regards to the op and previous posts, i've always found it remarkably interesting on how so many can believe in the "miracles" of the religious god and jesus, in spite of so many dark events that have occurred in the bible, in history, and in modern times.

particularly with one fundamental flaw inherent in every religion - the idea that in order to be "saved", you have to believe.

this is irrefutable. if you don't believe, you won't be saved.

but this is contradictory to the god ideology - god/jesus loves all mankind, in accordance to the understanding that humanity came from god. so as a whole, humanity is his children. so logically, since he is so great, he should love everyone equally, regardless of whether they have a belief in him or not. in which case, everyone on the planet should be benefiting from his love.

Correct, this is irrefutable. To be saved, to be "born again", one must first believe.

but this is not the case. throughout history, millions have died in his name. millions have died to horrible disease. millions have died to natural disasters. to wars. thousands die every day due to accidents, mishaps, and crime.

in other words, he...god/jesus...does not love all humanity equally.

Incorrect. You assume it is God who is causing all of the evils and horrors of this world. Think for a second about wars, crimes, even mishaps.. they are caused by humans, from our freewill and choice to end a person's life or cause suffering in someone's life.

so, considering all these deaths, one has to ask, where is god's/jesus's love? for it would seem quite obvious that he picks and chooses Who To Love.

he picks and chooses who gets the miracles, while the rest falter....and that is not a very reassuring thought, considering that he is supposed to love All of humanity.

Think about this.

Logically, that does not make sense. We are all His creation, why would he pick favorites? Who are we? Has any one of us done more good than another? Is any one of us better than our neighbors? The Bible states that all men have fallen short of the glory of God, so I find it hard to believe he plays favoritism.

god/jesus loves all of humanity....yet only grants miracles to those who believe, or deems "worthy"... all others get the shaft...ie not saved. not helped.

You seem to think the only force in this world is God, and completely ignore the idea of Satan and his Demons, which are perfectly capable of causing distress and hardships on God's children.

"if you had only believed in my god..."

consider those parents who prayed to god for him to save their child. why should it have mattered to the omniscient one whether or not they were christian, muslim, catholic, jewish or any other denomination?

is god/jesus that shallow in which he only listens to certain prayers?

Because if they were praying to Allah, for example, a non-existent deity, they are talking to the wind. I have no doubt that prayers often go un-answered, but it leaves me wondering, do people truly believe their prayers will work? It's easy to have heavy doubt when in a desperate situation - even so, in a desperate situation, one can find that their faith exceeds their normal abilities, and will find that it has been answered. I can give testimony to that.

this is not the mark of an omniscient, All Loving Being.

so one has to consider...how can anyone believe in such a being - a being who is the supposed creator of the universe, omniscient, needs nothing, the father/mother of humanity - yet picks and chooses who is worthy of his grace?

Now consider the number of fatalities, deaths, mishaps in this world, past and present.

Apparently, regardless of what religion is subscribed to, god/jesus isn't that keen on loving all his children.

in fact, he's doing a pretty bad job of it.

You seem so quick to point fingers to God, looking for someone to blame.. As already said, it isn't God that's causing this pain/misfortune, and if you already know this, than it shouldn't be hard to understand that God cannot bless those who reject him and spit in his face. Ever heard of the old say? Ask and ye shall receive? Seek and ye shall find? Knock and the door shall be opened?

Now, of course, there are those who believe that the way things are is because god is testing humanity.

But this is also a very flawed understanding, considering that god/jesus knows Everything.

Everything.

I don't believe it's a test to humanity.

god knows Everything. he knows when you will be born. he knows when you will die. by that design alone, he knows how you will live. and if he knows everything there is to know about you, then there is no need to test you.

he already knows how you will test.

keep this in mind. he already knows how you will test, so the idea of him testing humanity is fundamentally flawed. he already knows the outcome, so why bother...unless he wishes to inflict pain upon humanity.

and that definitely does not make for a very wonderful being to believe in, regardless of religion.

It makes perfectly logical sense, whether you believe it's right or not. God knows everything, all that one will do and if they will eventually choose to believe and pursue a relationship with Christ/God or not. God does indeed "choose" who comes to Him, for you cannot go to Christ/God with God choosing you first.

Unfair? I say no.

Imagine you went to a racetrack and knew for absolute, 100% certainty which Horse would win the race. Would you bet all of your money on the loser? You would be a fool to do so.

God knows who is going to win, so he picks his champions, simple as that.

And as a side note - again you say he is inflicting pain upon humanity, as if he's some child on an ant hill with a magnifying glass.

one could argue that perhaps god/jesus simply wants you to learn from your mistakes. but this still makes for a lousy father/mother figure, considering that for many, this equates to very tough, if not harsh, love.

love that can literally kill you.

which really isn't love.

Although I don't believe this is actually the case.. if the love manages to save your soul, but ends up killing your life, it will have been worth it, for obvious reason.

Your post was quite long, but overall repetitive at parts, but I kept it simple in my response; so I apologize if it seems too short.

reply to post by Lionhearte


You wrote:

["Has any one of us done more good than another? Is any one of us better than our neighbors?"]

That depends on the criteria used.

Quote: ["The Bible states that all men have fallen short of the glory of God, so I find it hard to believe he plays favoritism."]

In other contexts this may have been relevant, but this thread is about 'proof' on the implied ethics in the bible/the christianities. Referring back to the premises of what's so to speak is 'at stake', is just circle-argumentation. Criteria from outside this self-contained position you present are expected.

Quote: [" You seem to think the only force in this world is God, and completely ignore the idea of Satan and his Demons, which are perfectly capable of causing distress and hardships on God's children."]

And Satan is just the other side of the same coin of this self-contained system and argument.

Quote: ["Because if they were praying to Allah, for example, a non-existent deity, they are talking to the wind."]

A faith-based assumption, not a part of any reasoning-chain leading to 'proofs'.

Quote: ["I have no doubt that prayers often go un-answered, but it leaves me wondering, do people truly believe their prayers will work? It's easy to have heavy doubt when in a desperate situation - even so, in a desperate situation, one can find that their faith exceeds their normal abilities, and will find that it has been answered. I can give testimony to that."]

And 'testimony' is also available from most OTHER systems.

Quote: [" You seem so quick to point fingers to God, looking for someone to blame.."]

Probably more pointing to that specific 'god' many christians claim to be 'real' as a result of speculations and interpretations. Again...YOUR criteria aren't exclusive.

Quote: ["It makes perfectly logical sense, whether you believe it's right or not."]

It doesn't make STANDARD "perfectly logical sense". It may make CHRISTIAN logical sense.

did god just lay back on a cloud with angels brushing his hair and watch the terror of the AUSCHWITZ murder/slave factory being constructed and swinging into high gear?,if you believe in god then he must have known about it and he has the power to create heaven and earth but could'nt or did'nt feel like stopping this hellish death camp!?!? if someone believes in god then please tell me what you think he/she looks like,god must be "something"...so what do you think he/she really is?... is god a cardboard box?...no...is god an orb of plasma?...probably not...is god a man or woman dressed in flowing robes?...most likely no... so,what other choices are we left with?...ALIEN BEING.

Hi all and good morning.
The creator that I believe in love's us all. This creator does give all a miracle.
But if you are only expecting something strongly supernatural, then you'll miss out.
To me a miracle can be a person at the right place and time. A doctor can be one as
well. After all the creator gave them their knowledge.

It reminds me of that story where there is a flood comeing. The guy prays to GOD.
"Please Lord Help Me........
A cop car show's up and knocks on his door. The cop offered to take him to safety.
The guy replies "No GOD will protect me".

Now the guy is stuck on the 2nd floor of his house. Once again he prays to GOD.
A nieghbor shows up with a boat, tells him to hop in.
The guy replies. "No God's got my back".

Now the guy is stuck on the roof of his house. He screams to GOD to help him.
A national guard helicopter showed up. They send a ladder down to him.
The guy fights and screams "No God will save me".

Needless to say to poor guy died. He showed up in heaven angry and asked GOD why
didnt you give me a miracle. GOD answered......
I knew you didnt have a car, I sent one.
I knew you couldn't swim, I sent a boat.
I knew you couldnt fly, I sent a helicopter.
Thats 3 miracles you turned down. I didnt come down for noah either.
I told him how to survive. If he choose not to obey. He would have died on that day.

I am sorry that my experince is lacking in what everyone deems to be a miracle.
Certain things I see in a simpler way then most. The true miracle of the Noah story
was that he listened. Some things are of our own doing.

I also need to add that my GOD goes by different names but his signature is evident.
This GOD taught many the true ways of light and there not all hebrew or christian either.

LOTZA LUV and Thanks to the others who shared their stories as well.

Originally posted by blocula
did god just lay back on a cloud with angels brushing his hair and watch the terror of the AUSCHWITZ murder/slave factory being constructed and swinging into high gear?,if you believe in god then he must have known about it and he has the power to create heaven and earth but could'nt or did'nt feel like stopping this hellish death camp!?!? if someone believes in god then please tell me what you think he/she looks like,god must be "something"...so what do you think he/she really is?... is god a cardboard box?...no...is god an orb of plasma?...probably not...is god a man or woman dressed in flowing robes?...most likely no... so,what other choices are we left with?...ALIEN BEING.

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I apologize I used GOD in the generic meaning. The Father to me is much more fitting.
But it has no name, because it exsisted before anything else. A name is a sign of being created.
[At least to me] The one I follow has no form per say and is niether male or female.
[Although I may start seeing this differently. Maybe the universes and all creation exsists within
the womb of the creator? But it could be even further beyond that. Maybe all of creation only
gets a half of the creators devine ability. For creation that is, Life giver or Life barrer?]

The whole of creation exsist's within it. It sustains all of creation. It is pure light and love.
The story of us is just a small lil snipet. A single chapter in a much larger book. But being the
beings the humans are we asume everything evolves around us.

The best way I can figure to explain what I have learned.[But still need to learn more]
As above, so below.......We are in the below universe. We cannot dwell within the above due
to our darkness. We need to become beings of light. Jesus said he was the light of the world
but that he was not from it or apart of it. I believe he was a teacher of light and yes a son of the light.
To us that may be devine. But in the above universe, all are devine thoughts of the creator. Another
teacher of light is Budha. Another could have been Mother Theresa. You can tell who they are by
their messages.

[My reason for believeing this is due to the OT GOD of war. Compare Jesus to the OT GOD.
They dont really match up do they? Not trying to convert anyone just my opinion. And even if
I was this is really knew to me. So certain habbits are hard for me to break as well. So it may
seem that I am double talking but I dont truely mean to.]

LOTZA LUV

Originally posted by Mividau
Hi all and good morning.
The creator that I believe in love's us all. This creator does give all a miracle.
But if you are only expecting something strongly supernatural, then you'll miss out.
To me a miracle can be a person at the right place and time. A doctor can be one as
well. After all the creator gave them their knowledge.

It reminds me of that story where there is a flood comeing. The guy prays to GOD.
"Please Lord Help Me........
A cop car show's up and knocks on his door. The cop offered to take him to safety.
The guy replies "No GOD will protect me".

Now the guy is stuck on the 2nd floor of his house. Once again he prays to GOD.
A nieghbor shows up with a boat, tells him to hop in.
The guy replies. "No God's got my back".

Now the guy is stuck on the roof of his house. He screams to GOD to help him.
A national guard helicopter showed up. They send a ladder down to him.
The guy fights and screams "No God will save me".

Needless to say to poor guy died. He showed up in heaven angry and asked GOD why
didnt you give me a miracle. GOD answered......
I knew you didnt have a car, I sent one.
I knew you couldn't swim, I sent a boat.
I knew you couldnt fly, I sent a helicopter.
Thats 3 miracles you turned down. I didnt come down for noah either.
I told him how to survive. If he choose not to obey. He would have died on that day.

I am sorry that my experince is lacking in what everyone deems to be a miracle.
Certain things I see in a simpler way then most. The true miracle of the Noah story
was that he listened. Some things are of our own doing.

I also need to add that my GOD goes by different names but his signature is evident.
This GOD taught many the true ways of light and there not all hebrew or christian either.

LOTZA LUV and Thanks to the others who shared their stories as well.

BRAVO Mividau. I think most of us can live in peace and together with such a god as ideological neighbour and with such attitudes as he is here presented with.

Originally posted by Lionhearte



Logically, that does not make sense. We are all His creation, why would he pick favorites? Who are we? Has any one of us done more good than another? Is any one of us better than our neighbors? The Bible states that all men have fallen short of the glory of God,so I find it hard to believe he plays favoritism.

Then........

Originally posted by Lionhearte

God does indeed "choose" who comes to Him, for you cannot go to Christ/God with God choosing you first.

Unfair? I say no.

Imagine you went to a racetrack and knew for absolute, 100% certainty which Horse would win the race. Would you bet all of your money on the loser? You would be a fool to do so.

God knows who is going to win, so he picks his champions, simple as that.

First thing you should do when posting, is to think about what it is you want to say, then begin typing.............

Because contradicting yourself on a subject such as this does your overall argument no favors.......

humanity created god to justify our own barbarism..."in the name of god!,he will lead our army to victory"! maenwhile, the other army is saying the same thing !?!?!?