They Are Steering Hurrican Irene.

Originally posted by Essan
Because it's a glitch?

A 10 hour glitch? That only appears just before it changes direction and not on the other imagery? A pulsating glitch that just happens to look like it sources from Puerto Rico?

Originally posted by Essan

Patents are cheap, anyone can take them out and the majority are for ideas that will never be developed. The existence of a patent has no bearing on whether the idea is in any way feasible or even physically impossible.

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Extremely Simple
electric switch; coat hanger; paper clip; diapers; earmuffs; ice cube tray $5,000 to $7,000
Relatively Simple board game; umbrella; retractable dog leash; belt clip for cell phone;
toothbrush; flashlight $7,000 to $9,000
Minimally Complex power hand tool; lawn mower; camera; cell phone; microwave oven $9,000 to $10,000
Moderately Complex ride on lawn mower; simple RFID devices; solar concentrator; simple software $10,000 to $12,500
Relatively Complex shock absorbing prosthetic device; software; business methods;
$12,500 to $15,000
Highly Complex MRI scanner; PCR; telecommunication networking systems; satellite technologies
$15,000 +


That is just patents for the US, if you want international patents, and other protection in other countries, you pay even more.

The cost of patents is not cheap. Even Microsoft has a limit on the number of patents they apply for every year ( I know this for a fact and it is supprisingly LOW ), they have a budget for them, as do many other companies, they just don't have the budget to patent EVERY THING otherwise they would.

Originally posted by Essan
It's not some commercial CD you can buy in a shop

But by all means contact NOAA about it. I'm sure you already know what they will tell you.[

Is there any non-NOAA imagery that shows these artifacts?

Ofcourse you cannot buy it in a shop, it would come from a company that specialises in weather systems / radar.

Just have to find their supplier / contractor.

While they do write some themselves, it is only a small bit of specialised models and so on they would write, and perhaps some tools.

Out of a quick search I found software that they point to for weather stuff www.weather.gov... that is available to the general public..

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just when you think you have read it all lol, steering a hurricane lol.

Originally posted by StrawberryTwo

Is there any non-NOAA imagery that shows these artifacts?

Well no. There is only one place that reproduce this MIMIC imagery and oddly that's the only place you can see it

Ofcourse you cannot buy it in a shop, it would come from a company that specialises in weather systems / radar.

Just have to find their supplier / contractor.

The algorithm will have been specially written by someone at wisc to process the satellite data. It's a one off.

Anyway, it tells you on the website who to contact: Tony Wimmers and Chris Velden. It even gives you their emails. Though I'm sure they'll tell you nothing you don't already know

cimss.ssec.wisc.edu...

Anyway, you think Irene was bad, you should see what they did to Claudette last year

cimss.ssec.wisc.edu...

Has anybody contacted teh NOAA yet? Don't want to be the 1000th person in their inbox asking the same question lol

I am sure there is more than one weather satellire over that area and not all NOAA owned.

What about Canada? or Latin American countries weather agencies?

If it was a glitch or software, it would show up in other images, but I have yet to find one, if you have some please show me. I would be interested to see for comparisson.

Is there any other countries that have hurricanes that show similar patterns in their imagery?

I don't buy the 10 hour glitch theory. The only theory that would hold up is software track prediction but that even fails as the software would not use the same temperature colours to show its prediction it would CLEARLY highlight its prediction and not fudge it with the REAL data. it would be like a HUD and its own key showing the predicted path otherwise that would lead to confusion. Any software writer (such as myself) can tell you this, any UX expert will tell you this and it would also show up in other imagery as predictions but it does not.

It is showing up as real data as it is actually happening in the same temereature range on the sensors and it coincides with extreme changes in the actual hurricane temperatures, could be coincidence, but its a big one, and over a LONG duration. 10 hours then bam the hurricane changes, not only changes in direction but also its structure, again could be a coincidence as it interacts with other weather but it seems to be quite a dramatic coincidence.

Weather interaction wouldnt appear as so straight lines and alternating temperatures (pulsing), it would appear most likely as blobs of interaction and more natural like temperature mixing, not like regular pusating as is showing there. It looks too manufactured rather than organic.

Originally posted by StrawberryTwo
Has anybody contacted teh NOAA yet? Don't want to be the 1000th person in their inbox asking the same question lol

It's actually WISC (I was mistaken in referring to NOAA earlier, they don't have any direct involvement in this).

But given there is a clear explanation on the website, what exactly do you intent to ask that won't make you look foolish?

And have you checked out the Claudette imagery yet?

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by StrawberryTwo
Has anybody contacted teh NOAA yet? Don't want to be the 1000th person in their inbox asking the same question lol

It's actually WISC (I was mistaken in referring to NOAA earlier, they don't have any direct involvement in this).

But given there is a clear explanation on the website, what exactly do you intent to ask that won't make you look foolish?

And have you checked out the Claudette imagery yet?

No question is stupid, except when asking an arrogant know it all type.

Can you link the Claudette imagary please? (not just for me, for other readers here).

Originally posted by Tom_Proctor
Nobody knows. It would probably have to do with heating up the atmosphere and water temperature with microwaves. Ever put a cup of water in the microwave? The original .gif is a microwave image...so, it does kind of make sense...

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So nobody knows how HAARP would steer a hurricane, and yet y'all believe that it does, anyway. Talk about denying ignorance.
Even assuming that your "heating" theory was correct, HAARP doesn't have nearly enough power, especially after "bouncing" off the ionosphere, to have any effect at all on something as big and powerful as a hurricane.

Originally posted by subject x

Originally posted by Tom_Proctor
Nobody knows. It would probably have to do with heating up the atmosphere and water temperature with microwaves. Ever put a cup of water in the microwave? The original .gif is a microwave image...so, it does kind of make sense...

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So nobody knows how HAARP would steer a hurricane, and yet y'all believe that it does, anyway. Talk about denying ignorance.
Even assuming that your "heating" theory was correct, HAARP doesn't have nearly enough power, especially after "bouncing" off the ionosphere, to have any effect at all on something as big and powerful as a hurricane.

What makes HARRP more powerful than other radiators (they admit this themselves), is its focusing and steering capability, it is not the actual output that matters it is the output per cm3. or, the DENSITY of the power.

ATPI (sub of ARCO) wanted to get rid off all that gas where HAARP was built, if HAARP is not so powerful, why would it need all that energy?



Has anybody (can anybody) correlate the activity of the Peutro Rico ionosphere research center activity (or HAARP activity) with the timing of these so called beams on the imagery?

Any correlation?

There should be NO correlation, right? If it is infact a glitch.

Originally posted by ProphetOfZeal
. So maybe YOU should learn some science because you don't know how possible and easy it is for them to use HAARP for these purposes.

Oh, good! Since it's so easy and possible, I assume you can explain how it does it?
Please fill us in as to just how this is accomplished.

I can't wait!!

Originally posted by malcr

Originally posted by ProphetOfZeal

Originally posted by fleabit
Long before HAARP or any other super secret, massive ultra mega weapons that can seemingly blow up buildings, create holograms, make tornadoes, create earthquakes and "steer" hurricanes, we had natural events like.. hurricanes and earthquakes and tornadoes. Go figure.

Can't ANYTHING be normal? Is EVERYTHING a conspiracy?

Why would anyone street a hurricane into our country? Or create tornadoes? It's always some evil agency wanting to senselessly kill people. Why not say.. direct it AWAY from our country? Oh.. nevermind.. because then it wouldn't fit the normal doom and gloom deathday scenarios people around here love so much.

Why would they manipulate our weather? Maybe you should learn a thing or two about the NWO. Weather manipulation is part of the plan.

What plan? Presumably there's a reason why you make such a wild claim without providing the link to the evidence that you know you will be asked for? (I can guess !!)

It IS possible, so many believe HAARP is used being to manipulate weather. And maybe you have forgotten but this is a conspiracy website, so naturally we are going to believe discuss whether or not these earthquakes and hurricanes have been caused by HAARP. So maybe YOU should learn some science because you don't know how possible and easy it is for them to use HAARP for these purposes.

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Just because "many" people believe something does not make it true. This is indeed a conspiracy website that ORIGINALLY worked by discussion and links to evidence to back up claims. Where is the link to the evidence to backup up the claim that HAARP is a weapon/weather control system?

The only "evidence" is peoples ignorant understanding of science mixed in with a heady does of paranoia and hey presto it MUST be a weapon........honestly !

What plan? If you're not well versed on the subject of the NWO I'm not going to give you a crash course here. Go to the NWO forum/search or google for yourself, HAARP is part of the "conspiracy".

I wasn't implying it was true just from people's beliefs, but from the evidence out there supporting the possible truth of weather modification of HAARP

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The only "evidence" is peoples ignorant understanding of science mixed in with a heady does of paranoia and hey presto it MUST be a weapon........honestly !

That is only your opinion backed by nothing. Ironic right?

The evidence is out there. And also, right in front of our faces, in the numbers, and in the imagery.

www.dutchsinse.com...

www.dutchsinse.com...

HAARP weather modification is real, is happening, and IS dangerous technology. If this technology wasn't in the wrong hands, there would be nothing to worry about. Unfortunately that's not the case.

I encourage you to download some pdf's from that site. Some of the documentation is very eye opening.

Originally posted by StrawberryTwo
What makes HARRP more powerful than other radiators (they admit this themselves), is its focusing and steering capability, it is not the actual output that matters it is the output per cm3. or, the DENSITY of the power.

So how much power per cm3 is it putting out? Is it enough to cause enough atmospheric heating to actually affect the path of a hurricane? How wide an area does HAARP affect? They'd have to be heating hundreds of miles of atmosphere to a significant degree to have any kind of impact.

ATPI (sub of ARCO) wanted to get rid off all that gas where HAARP was built, if HAARP is not so powerful, why would it need all that energy?

I have no idea what you're talking about here. Care to clarify?

Originally posted by subject x

Originally posted by StrawberryTwo
What makes HARRP more powerful than other radiators (they admit this themselves), is its focusing and steering capability, it is not the actual output that matters it is the output per cm3. or, the DENSITY of the power.

So how much power per cm3 is it putting out? Is it enough to cause enough atmospheric heating to actually affect the path of a hurricane? How wide an area does HAARP affect? They'd have to be heating hundreds of miles of atmosphere to a significant degree to have any kind of impact.

ATPI (sub of ARCO) wanted to get rid off all that gas where HAARP was built, if HAARP is not so powerful, why would it need all that energy?

I have no idea what you're talking about here. Care to clarify?

ATPI is a subsidary of ARCO who owns gas fields in Alaska, they wanted to find a reason to get rid of that gas, then they had those patents for HAARP, they tried to sell the idea it to the government as a method to find oil etc, the government had other ideas (earth tomography was one and in fact was a requirement to get congressional funding as a tool for monitoring non-proliferation agreements). In short, it is a multi-tool for the government that sits on top of HUGE gas reserves which power it, and yet it apparently is not at its full capability yet.

ATPI ( ARCO ) was not interested in government military applications and contracts, but E-Systems was, and aquired them, who where aquired by Raytheon systems, who is the largest contractor for the government and military, Raytheon initially tried to get the contract but the key patents (and key personel) where owned by ATPI (ARCO), eventually Raytheon got what it wanted.

Can anyone explain to me what would be the point of steering a very weak Hurricane up the coast? Really, what purpose would that serve?

Originally posted by MrWendal
Can anyone explain to me what would be the point of steering a very weak Hurricane up the coast? Really, what purpose would that serve?

We don't know.

Short quick answer would be to cause chaos, why? We don't know.

Remember NY city is very contained and built up and populated. Florida is not right?

If it hit florida, it would weaken, if it hits NY it will EFFECTIVEY have more destruction at a weaker level due to its construction no?

Just the obvious negative usage.

The reason we come to that is because America has a history of doing destructive things, wars for example, trampling over the constitution and more.


Do I believe this is HAARP? No I don't.

Is it comming from Puerto Rico? Looks like it. We do know they have an Ionosphere research center down there.

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Sources?

Especially the gas powered HAARP bit, that's a first for me!

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
After you study Irene, watch the upcoming movie "Contagion", cause that is what is coming next. TPTB love making films to show us what is coming. I'm going to guess that by fall 2012, we will have another round of flu, but this time they will make sure they get it right.

Ahh.. Smart cookie. Indeed, that upcoming film has an abundance of symbols in it, no doubt influenced by the NWO/illumitati. It's so blatant it's comical really.

If you watch the trailer, there's a hundred things odd and symbolic about it. That film is has elites/illumiati written all over it.

Originally posted by StrawberryTwo

No question is stupid, except when asking an arrogant know it all type.

It is when you've already been given the answer

Can you link the Claudette imagary please? (not just for me, for other readers here).

I already did here

Though it's easy enough to find on the MIMIC website (just click on Claudette)

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In order to cause chaos, you need destruction. This storm is not going to give you the destruction your looking for. So again... what would be the point of steering a weak hurricane up the coast?

Originally posted by Chadwickus
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Sources?

Especially the gas powered HAARP bit, that's a first for me!

Near as I can tell, it's based off of this kind of stuff:

The winning contractor to build HAARP was ARCO Power Technologies, or APTI. ARCO has historically been one of Alaska's largest employers and they initially set up APTI as a subsidiary to construct power plants using Alaska's vast natural gas reserves. One scientist employed at APTI was Dr. Bernard Eastlund, a physicist of some note. Among Dr. Eastlund's accomplishments was the co-invention of the fusion torch, and the original owner of a 1985 U.S. patent on a "Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere." Dr. Eastlund's method required a location near the poles, where the lines of the Earth's magnetic field are more or less perpendicular to the surface, like Alaska, and presumed a natural gas power source. A few years later, the HAARP program began.

Dr. Eastlund's patent, which has since become popularly known (though inaccurately) as the "HAARP patent", is widely reproduced online, often with much commentary from authors making their own interpretations of how it might be used. Specifically, the patent involves using natural gas to generate electricity to create electromagnetic radiation to excite a tiny section of the ionosphere to about 2 electron volts, thus moving it upward along the lines of the magnetic field.

source

I'd never heard the gas connection, either. I had to look it up.
It looks like just more misunderstandings from the "evil HAARP" crowd.

Originally posted by MrWendal
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In order to cause chaos, you need destruction. This storm is not going to give you the destruction your looking for. So again... what would be the point of steering a weak hurricane up the coast?

Evacuations are not chaos? Thats a new one.

You should probably ask the local residents if they are inconvienced or not.

Store shelves empty? Panic buying., but that's not chaos.