Who Were the Ancient Megalithic Builders?

Howdy Lazarus

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

You may find it of interest that the Book of Jasher records that the Tower of Babel was so high, that just before it was abandoned, it took a full year to bring bricks from the ground to the top of the structure.

Further, I do suppose that you are familiar with the oral traditions of the Miao people of southern China? They did not forget Babel, either,

I would disagree, I believe the story the Miao tell is of people trying to reach the sky with a ladder and the Lord of Heaven struck these few dead with lightning. However I cannot find an original translation so that above is suspect.

Originally posted by NewsWorthy
Awesome Thread!! Thanks Slayer.....I'm on my way out the door but I wanted to ask..Doesn't 1 of those Neanderthal Pics look a lot like Vin Diesel???

Don't get me started.....

Well written! I love that you let us readers make up our own minds, instead of stating: These are the facts, this is the evidence...

I once heard that neanderthals went extinct due to their lack of forming social groups. Thus they lacked the group skills to make it in the long run. Also there supposedly are some genetic bottlenecks down in our DNA, meaning we as a species got thinned down pretty bad, down to about 3000 individuals. This was probably due to an extinction level event. If that is true, we surviving and not the other species may have been based on luck.

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Further, I do suppose that you are familiar with the oral traditions of the Miao people of southern China? They did not forget Babel, either.

edit on 25-8-2011 by Lazarus Short because: lah-de-dah

That's exactly what I am looking for currently, there is a 4000year old document from that region that actually mentions the Tower and also corroborates the 5300 cubit height listed in many other sources.

I'll keep digging but I gotta go to work soon and I'll be back later today to continue the search.

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Nice job with the presentation SLAYER69. As always doing your best to keep the species up on the history of the genetics and technological builds.

@Was there a crossover/halfbreed hybrid period between Neanderthal and Homo-Sapiens?

I feel there were periods when these two genetics encountered each other. But to ADD some OUTTA BOX I think that still they had central genetic bases (or locations where kids and moms were remaining more less and the hunter males were encountering other genetics). -This goes for Neanderthal and Homo-Sapiens tribes- These central genetic locations may have thrived or been so stricken with sickness and genetic flaws from the blood being more pure and not encountering other parts needed to build today's modern man that they may have failed fast as stable societies maybe avg. life expectancy was about 30 years beyond 30 years you were probably looked at as a wise elder (what could of been within their the elders blood is another story all together) Basically not all mated and generated hybrids. Some may have tried and encountered infections or deformations in their offspring due to the blood being so new to them mixing. But over time after so many mixes occurred (genetic cycles) there sprang up a HYBRID that was more healthy and mentally strong. STRANGE its like multiple parts of 1 assessed outcome. What would of happened if they didn't mix to make the current sapiens sapiens high breads? Would the earth have 2 or more forms of beings or would they have needed each others genes to advance and w/o mixing to go further would they have totally perished. DEEP.... So when I view the map 4th image in OP it kind of makes sense that they crossed paths.


Now on to the Ancient Megalithic Builders and their influences. As many who may have seen some of my data posted on ATS I am 1 who feels the AAtheories or Ancient Astronauts have some intelligence embedded within in relation to modern human and ancient human development. I do feel there were time periods when, to keep it simple Earth inhabitants had encounters that assisted in the growth of the ENTIRE species. This is a major reason for me to study them and try to find more and not be so fearful of them potentially being real. Because it seems SOME came and helped with techs and knowledge and with the progression of the species. Sorta like its believed today that some GOVS have data/ knowledge and techs from the STARZ... Its not clear as to WHO came or if MANY different came, but from all the Megalithic structures known and unknown around EARTH & on land and in sea some shown in your thread SLAYER69, it seems multiple influences happened here. Were they influences from the SAMEs over different time periods or from MULTIPLEs coming from different cosmic locations making their MARKS on EARTH, possibly to be remembered / recognized if they return 1 is not fully sure yet. SOMETHING to think about...

I do LOVE to see these Ancient Megalithic structures everywhere on Earth and beyond earth because it shows there is way more to the life/death phases of EXISTENCE which is pretty cool and makes Existence all the more interesting here on 3rd sphere Earth. Kind of makes me wonder will there be NEW Megalithic structures built related to current modern man and if so What will they look like? To go further WHO will build them or assist in their builds the ancients or just modern man? I guess in time we shall see if current modern man will work as a FAMILY to build them. Or be marked with some NEW Megalithic structures after destroying itself as a species somehow. In time, because I see many large buildings ect but,,,,,,,,, what those underground bases or D.U.M.B.S. would be considered NEW Megalithic structures especially if they were unearthed in various places over LARGE TIME PERIODS so I guess that somewhat answers my question if they can withstand time. I picked the Dumbs because they seem to be more concrete or modern stone builds reinforced with alloys and metals yes but they should if happened leave some traces of modern mans accomplishments. So in some ways its happening

Once again props on a great thread 1 enjoyed the read and the many images of mankind's past you have shared. Take care SLAYER69 and keep up the good work.


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WONDERFUL...S&F!!!

I just finished last month the book, by my favorite author Dr Joseph P Farrell "Genes, Giants, Monsters, and Men": The Surviving Elites of the Cosmic War and Their Hidden Agenda. I am not sure if someone has mentioned this book in the thread, but I highly recommend it to all who want to learn of what you have so well presented here.

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1314300440&sr=1-1

A valuable interview with Dr Farrell on Coast to Coast is available below:



This is a subject that is of monumental importance. Your presentation is very well done. Interesting stuff that is substantiated by DNA, our very own "Book of Life"

First of all great thread, with loads of interesting speculations, facts and ideas.

I'm not going to comment alot on your conclusions, because I'm still open minded and not certain what I believe myself.

There's no doubt were genetical linked to the neanderthal and you may be right about a corssbreed too.

(Now I get a little rude, dont read if you cant take it (kids can be mean))

In the village I grew up in we have living proffs of a crossbreed.
We got a local I'll call X here, as kids we used too named X "The missing Link".
We often joked about him haveing some kind of DNA error blocking the latest few steps in human evolution.

He got most the facial features described and a funny voice, hes also kind of dullwited like we always thought neandethals were.. The only feature not similar to the neanderthal cranium is that he miss a slightly elongated skull. Hes head and hands is HUGE, as mentioned hes kind of dull, so bigger head not equal to higher intelect!.
But he posses almost superhuman strenght. If you give him a bag of beers, he will dig you a swimmingpool using a showel (unless you take some pity, and ask him to stop).
Not sure he want to pose for a picture, but i could try paparazzi him next time i see him.

Originally posted by longtermproject
Ok if the Bible does have truth in it, could the Tower of Bable have anything to do with any of this? Think about it, all men working under the same tongue to reach God via a tower, God gets angry, and basically creates languages that causes everyone to get confused and go their separate ways....

Who knows if its a story, or if its truth, with the likelyhood that the Bible that most of us have come to know has likely been tainted by religious politics. I always wondered how any of this fit in. If we could date the time of David (the giant slayer) We would have a better idea of when the giants were around, since he killed one. It still wouldn't tell us when they all died off, but its a starting point, at minimum.

I think it is clear that what they do today with copyright thing is the same kind of nasty business GODS did to men who were building Tower of Babel.

As for giant men, isn't there a subspecies of Homo (erectus?) which was actually of average height 190 cm, living parallel with Homo sapiens sapiens, Neanderthal, Heidelbergensis, Erectus, (Megantropus) etc? There were many subspecies of Homo (including our own kind homo sapiens sapiens, which goes back at least 200.000 years).

By the way, did homo erectus really disappear? As far as i know, during million years its brain steadily grew and reached almost the size of modern man (the lower limit). I believe that all those subspecies mixed and melted into present mixture of races. As its brain reached its limit, it became "us".

Now, the most interesting part. If we talk about intelligence - there are very big differences inside our kind, however it is, out of political correctness I guess, deemed unimportant in defining our species. This is a very weak point in determining species judging by the ability to create more or less sophisticated tools, and not to mention spiritual advancements.

We tend to stick to technological measuring units, but then, some nations are so much advanced compared to others that the difference is bigger than between an ape and Einstein. I believe that scientific approach is very biased and very wrong regarding difference between homo subspecies, especially because it uses partial standards, comparing existing religions or social structures and mostly neglecting personal values and artistic intuition.

If neanderthals were a spiritual species, what kind of material residue would there be to prove it? None.

Because of this, it is necessary to use, and I am not saying to abandon present methods, but to add a different approach - not scientific, but artistic, intuitive, existential (like Buddhist analysis, or Spinoza's analysis of emotion/affectation, etc.)

When I look around today, what I see is horrible. We have just entered the New Dark Ages - The Corporate Middle Age.

When I was a kid, I believed that man is going to space to explore. How wrong was I! They sent satellites up, put them into stationary orbits so they can spy on us, control us and kill us. The duration of that technological "leap" was really short and so it is very clear that something is very wrong with this so called homo sapiens sapiens species.

What kind of advancement is that? We are constantly brainwashed, conditioned, restrained, plundered, kicked around, indebted, more or less turned into a sophisticated kind of slaves (in developed countries that is). In undeveloped countries, it is not better than it was in the times of "great" Roman civilization, or Mayan/Aztec blood drinkers and heart eaters.

They lied to us about the Cold War, it was a setup. Hitler - he was allowed to do what he was doing best (IBM helped Nazis decisively). All those wars were in function of technology development, and what is going on today is following the same "logic".

Who is really in control: us or technology?

Maybe neanderthals were too smart to fall for this little bunch of toys which lead homo sapiens sapiens into such disastrous degeneration. When I hear that our brains are smaller today because they are more efficient - I really have to laugh. What a cozy scientific conclusion!

The intelligence of most people is on a level of homo erectus, or lower. I have noticed, and many on this forum have too, that people's intelligence deteriorates. Intelligence is a sum of experience - the key word is learning, never stop learning (that is a definition of a genius, someone who never stops learning). But modern civilization denies this to almost everyone. It needs stupid slaves who know to do what they are asked to do, and the rest is just "having fun". This is enormous degeneration of our species. I could elaborate a lot more, but is it really necessary?

I say that homo erectus never went extinct. It simply mimicked the true homo sapiens, physiologically is the same, but it lacks the spiritual gene, which cannot be seen under microscope. You get the meaning of this.

The Theory of survival, well, it doesn't say anything about intelligence, though those who stand by it claim that being cunning, ruthless, cruel, treacherous, murderous, brigandish, etc. is the sign of heightened intelligence and is a positive thing that is brought upon us by her majesty Evolution. Thank you very much.

Originally posted by Yukitup
What evidence would a massive comet strike in Antarctica leave? Probably just tales of a massive flood, massive depopulation, and an angry God, I guess...

My guess has always been that the impact happened on the North American ice sheet, triggering a collapse of a previous rise in the Mid-Atlantic plate, pounding Atlantis with a tsunami and dropping it into the sea, allowing warmer currents to reach the Arctic ice, and creating a massive rise in sea level around 10,000 B.C., corresponding to the Younger Dryas.

Or something along those lines. It wouldn't have much of an effect on Antarctica, at least not until global temperatures rose.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
What if they used dinosaurs to lift those stones?

Maybe tethered mammoths, like the way they use elephants in India and Asia? Plato said Atlantis had elephants. Mammoths, maybe?

Wonderful thread as always! The responses are also informative! To my dismay, there really are not many in the U.S. to speak about. There are smaller structures here. One in particular that I can not remember it's name from the Maine/Massachusetts area, seemed like some type of observatory that has a hole that lines up with the summer solstice, if I recall. Pre-dates Columbus.They also have a slab with writings on in that area that can only be seen at low tide.

One question I always have. Are we really more advanced than past societies? With all the modern equipment we possess, we can not duplicate some of these structures to their precision. Now limit yourself to what these past societies had available to utilize while building these structures and it is mind boggling as to how they erected them.

Love your post. Hopefully the day is not to far off when the "recognized experts" will stop protecting their pet theories and open their minds to the evidence that is all around us and begin to figure out our true history. Posts like this keep me coming back to ATS. Thanks

Really dude you should be putting this effort into a book.
But thanks for the freebe.
If i could flag multiple times i would.
I think you are on to something about Neanderthal/ Modern Homo Sapien hybrids.
In the bible it says there were giants in those days.
Giant does not have to mean stature but can also mean strength and accomplishments.
I am curious as to what you think about a possibility that in those days the gravity was much less also.
And the possibility that the hybrids or Neanderthals had a longer life span.
Can they tell the age of Neanderthal bones or are they just making an assumption?
Thanks for the effort you have the best posts and i look forward to many more.

Originally posted by Hanslune
You may find it of interest that the Book of Jasher records that the Tower of Babel was so high, that just before it was abandoned, it took a full year to bring bricks from the ground to the top of the structure.

How long did it take for the workers to get their paychecks cashed? Still, even with a year to haul the bricks, they were doing better than the WTC re-builders.

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I appreciate Your work on this, Slayer. I am, however, firmly in the "ET Intervention" camp, based on Sumerian tablets, other finds globally that defy explanation, and yes, even The Terra Papers - which sound far more likely than the Sumerian tablets in the back story (I think the Sumerians were told a lie to play on Their sympathies).

But It is a good solid theory, with some speculative givens, if One seriously wants to keep ET out of things. [smile]

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Divine intervention or Alien manipulation?

Sounds like you have a hot controversial thread to write...

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by muzzleflash
What if they used dinosaurs to lift those stones?

Maybe tethered mammoths, like the way they use elephants in India and Asia? Plato said Atlantis had elephants. Mammoths, maybe?

I've toyed with the idea of writing something along those lines.

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Thanks Slayer, your threads are always so thought provoking, and I love spending the time pouring through all your data and links and the additional comments of members. I'm putting my mark on here now for my ATS, and will take the weekend to indulge my historic fantasies!

I just want to thank everybody who has replied both pro and con for making this a great discussion.


ATS members are awesome

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Seriously...

You could and should write your own thread along those lines.