Who Were the Ancient Megalithic Builders?

reply to post by ExShill


That's actually a pretty broad definition IMO.
Care to elaborate further?

You never cease to amaze me with the information you put forth, kudos! I do believe in a previous global civilization before us. To be specific in my belief they came from Mars or Venus in a previous form of the planet which was found to be on the verge of the collapse. They naturally came here to live among the various primitive life forms and civilized us for whatever reason (a bad one imo) and we worshiped them but soon rebelled agaisn't their evil, which we determined later was a mistake and them being intelligent as they were realize this as well and said well earthlings so be it! We will leave you to your misery and go to Orion, when your older you will understand and seek us out. With that they destroyed much of the world in retaliation for our ways and left their markings of where to find them. And so began their long journey to a new place of their own in a stable environment perhaps with a species much more similar to them.

reply to post by beautyofperil


I appreciate the feedback and thread bump.

Welcome to ATS.

Some serious food for thought! I love it!
Thank you for putting this all together! Wow!

reply to post by SLAYER69


An excellent and well constructed post, which we can provide some answers

First, on our staff we have the last descendant of the Ya-Yoi who are related genetically to the Jomon in your article

He brought to this project a wealth of knowledge and information collected by 2000 generations of his family

The evidence of this is present in his DNA, and the distance between his and the Max Planck sample from the Denisova excavation places him as its nearest relative

Skeletal and cranial factors apply (which you also reference in your excellent article) that places him in a different classification from neanderthal and homo sapien

The final answer he will provide and is part of the projects research is the answer as to who built the megaliths, which is written in the history of the Hebrews where there land was destroyed and their tongues were confused, and as a result they were scattered around the world

The land that was destroyed in this epic story is what is known as Atlantis, and ruled by a king of the giants called nephilim Nimrod

You can see our sample here Atlantis is AntarcticaAtlantis is Antarctica

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
reply to post by RA777

 

Debunking David Hatcher-Childress' new book on ancient megaliths in South America -- I have a response from a professor in archaeology, Dennis Ogburn, who specializes in South American archaeology in Peru and Ecuador:

The stones were shaped by hand, primarily using harder rounded stones (often quartz river cobbles), and I've seen a number of these in the stone quarries. They also used some bronze tools to extract blocks, but the shaping involving battering the blocks with the hammerstones. Moving the largest stones involved dragging them with ropes, and often required a thousand men or more. They only moved the largest stones over short distances of a few kilometers. The stones they moved up to Ecuador were still quite large, but only up to about 700 kg/1,500 lbs - these I suspect were carried on something made from wooden poles, like a litter. Archaeologists and other researchers have done quite a bit of work on these questions, and there is plenty of historical and archaeological evidence to show that the Incas were quite capable of doing these things using very basic technology in combination with the labor of many thousands of their subjects.

OK, debunking DHC is child's play, as his "research" is a step further than wishful thinkin, that is if anything more than wishful thinkin at all.
This said, im sorry but i cant be brought to believe they carried those massive boulders over ruff terrain/jungle/mountains etc...then attacked them with soft metal tools and yet achieved such level of precision. It simply doesnt make any sense. besides, coordinating thousands of men to pull a multi-ton rock, and how many giant rocks are there is Sacsayhuaman? How many expedition would have required them to get them all there? How many forest needed to be cut for a 1000s men workforce to pass? What did they eat?
And once again, soft metal tools wont give this sort of result:

Protzen theory is that to achieve these perfectly fitting stones they bashedat them with (if i remember right) quartzite stone hammers first by making a ruff shape, then test fit them, take them off again, and keep at it till the fit is snug. I suppose we all realize that those massive boulders at Sacsyhuaman would be quite hard to move about to make all these adjustments, and that the walls pictured below are of a precision no stone hammer can ever produce.

See the tiny darker area? Its actually a 20cent size rock, it is dark cause evrybody touches it. It keeps its size the whole width of the wall. Hard to believe soft metal tools and rock hammers made it.


Same goes for these supposed quarry sites.




Unfortunatley i cant provide any proof to support ANY alternative theory, but here is proof of how we move a giant rock today:
en.wikipedia.org...
If you want there are videos on the tube of Levitated Mass slowly travelin from its quarry to its destination. Quite impressive if you ask me.

Personal incredulity is nice but it doesn't defeat the fact that during the Spanish conquest the Inca's continued to build and afterwards they did so for the Spanish and how they did so was commented on by both Spanish and and Spanish-Incan commentors. Look at the works of Garcilaso de la Vega the son of Spanish conquistador and Inca Princess. He made a famous comment about moving rocks.

The Incas used simple, labor-intensive technology to help carve and move the stones harvested from nearby rockfalls. Many weighed more than 100 metric tons. Stonemasons shaped the blocks using a simple, effective method called flaking and a neolithic tool called a hammer stone. Made of granite, quartzite, or olivine basalt, hammer stones have a hardness of at least 5.5 on the Mohs scale, about the same hardness as the larger stones. Striking at a 15- to 20-degree angle, stonemasons could chip off pieces of the rock; alterations in the angle and force of the blow determined the size of the chips. Twenty quarry workers took about two weeks to dress four sides of one stone measuring 4.5 by 3.2 by 1.7 meters (14.8 by 10.5 by 5.6 feet).

Lots of cultures, Egyptian, Sumerian, Rapa Nui and others used the rock bashing method - its works but it's slow and requires a high degree of craftsmanship - something the Inca in this case learned from those they conquered and actually just used those experts to build.

I did some bashing rock on rocks both in Rapa Nui and Egypt, guess what - it works and if I spent twenty years practicing it I'd probably get pretty good and my son would be even better....

Originally posted by Hanslune

The Incas used simple, labor-intensive technology to help carve and move the stones harvested from nearby rockfalls. Many weighed more than 100 metric tons. Stonemasons shaped the blocks using a simple, effective method called flaking and a neolithic tool called a hammer stone. Made of granite, quartzite, or olivine basalt, hammer stones have a hardness of at least 5.5 on the Mohs scale, about the same hardness as the larger stones. Striking at a 15- to 20-degree angle, stonemasons could chip off pieces of the rock; alterations in the angle and force of the blow determined the size of the chips. Twenty quarry workers took about two weeks to dress four sides of one stone measuring 4.5 by 3.2 by 1.7 meters (14.8 by 10.5 by 5.6 feet).