Who Were the Ancient Megalithic Builders?

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


BFFT

As always great post. I'm glad your wife participated as well.
I'm sure there is a lot more to puzzle than we will ever know. But as long as bits and pieces get dug here and there we will continue learning.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Muzzleflash

I can't wait to see what you found. I hope you bring it to the light soon. I added you as a friend in the hope of not missing out on your post. It sounds exciting and may lend some info to what I am working on as well.

reply to post by bjarneorn


ah bjarneon, don’t forget some do not use their feelings to think, nor their heat, nor their pulse, nor their instincts, nor their visions, nor their heart. some don’t know how to listen nor how to see.

don’t forget some are using a part of the brain that others wouldn’t even use to find a bush to squat behind.

some can only find a bush without using that brain, when they are drunk (brain knocked out)

the ones using that brain will never figure it out!

sorry guys - I do like your games too!

reply to post by SLAYER69


slayer, i have sent you 2 u2us !

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Alright Slayer...took me a bit to get through the 12 pages that amassed here. The OP was brilliant. Like others, I do hope you put your research into some sort of compendium. Being an "open license" advocate, I would encourage you to freely distribute it in .pdf form, given the nature of the beginnings of this research.

I really was impressed with the notion expressed where the Neandertals left art behind. That is a very interesting idea. I do believe that they lived more recently, in a more pure form at least, than we are able to confirm.

I also believe that the Ainu (before interbreeding with Asians) and the Jomon both look extremely Amerind. I showed some Ainu images to my wife, and she thought they were indians that, strangely, had beards. Right down to the style of textile and art (you can see the similar origins in both).

I also am intrigued by the poster who mentioned a "2nd wave" of H. Sapiens into Europe, with fresh Neandertal DNA to add back into their mix.

It seems to me that the "natural state" of humans is black skin/course hair. Perhaps it is the Neandertal/Denisovan/other semi-humans that gave rise to all the more fair skinned/softer hair ethnic groups? On a side note, I am just chomping at the bit to point out that "real" humans are black to some redneck.

Maybe that is the big secret, that Homo sapiens natural state is black skin and course hair. Can you imagine that for hundreds of years people thought that whites or lighter skin people where homo sapiens and that Africans weren't. But to find out that the natural state is to be black skin and essentially African and that the lighter skin people are cross breeded or hybrids of neanderthal and other sub groups. That would be enough for academia to hide this, because it destroys the world view of certain people.

reply to post by hoghead cheese




It would be, and if it was known i am sure it would have been hidden. I don't know if it was or not.

I would suspect that what we are seeing now is a new set of thinly veiled lies to supplant the old ones in the name of "progress", while helping to support the newly adopted "We Are One" worldview that makes everyone in Europe feel so good. The aristocracies have found a new toy for control. Is it a good thing? Probably, but it will surely end up bastardized to harm someone. Like when false claims of racism are used to shout down Obama critics.

Originally posted by bestintentions
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

slayer, i have sent you 2 u2us !

Got it..

Of course, my pleasure

Fantastic work Slayer!!

For theory I think this could a long ways. It deserves a round of applause and further investigation. Something about the current modern scientific explanation of mankind just does not set right with me...call it instinct

As others have suggested, this very well may be worth publication and introduction into the scientific community.

Originally posted by Mad Simian
Ok, I could have sworn I'd posted a reply. I know I wrote it yesterday...thought I'd hit the button...but, alas, 'tis not here. Argh! I guess I'll have to redo it all.

The good thing is that, in the meantime, I thought of a few other things that would support my take on this so I guess there is a silver lining. lol

First, as always, you've asked the right question and proceeded to present your case in a thoughtful and well-educated manner. Kudos for that. However, I have one thing that I think you should consider.

Could some of these sites actually be pure neanderthal or, at the least, have pure neanderthal origins and were later copycatted and/or added on to by homo sapiens and/or your hypothesized hybrid? In recent years, new finds and studies about their abilities in art, music and and stone tool making seem to imply that neanderthanls were as smart as homo sapiens or so nearly so that the difference wouldn't matter.

Venus figurines wiki
Are Upper Paleolithic blade cores more productive than Middle Paleolithic discoidal cores? A replication experiment
Neanderthal Flute

And, if they had the knowledge, smarts, industriousness and want to create all these, I don't think it's too far out of the question that building megalithic structures was within their capabilities. What do you think?

I've made comment earlier about the idea that we as a people are hiding evidence that neanderthals where behind much of the older and to be blunt about it precise megalithic structures. And it's real easy to see why it could happen. Imagine you as a tribe and others going around and always seeing massive structures constructed or half way done being built by individuals that had the strength and increased intelligence to figure out how to move and cut large stone. Here's something to consider and I hinted about it, what if Neanderthals where our masters or rulers etc.. Something happened that killed off the megafauna 14,000 years ago (it may have been the ice age reversing but who knows). So what if the Neanderthals had a civilization going strong back 20,000 tto 30,000 years ago. They built the megalithic structures, did precise and I say machining work on stones and moved these massive stones like it was a brick (either by brute strength and/or technolgy). They may have even had the ability to sail the oceans at the time. And to add one more to this, the neanderthal where telepathic (I know but bear with me). What where we doing? We worked for them also we lived away from them in fear of the mean of strength and knowledge, GIANTS of men. And so we didn't have a concise history of the homosapiens because the neanderthals where the ones on top (ever wonder why in gods name this species couldn't hang with us), and we where at the bottom.

And then 14,000 to 18,000 years ago something (flood yes but maybe a stellar event) knocked their fledgeling civilization back to day one (remember the bible and it saying that god sent the flood to wipe out the giants). And so these neanderthals where few in number (the survivors) and so they couldn't bring back the old world and slowly died out and also interbreeded with homosapiens. Thats another hit to the ego as Slayer said, knowing that it wasn't us that did the building of the megalithic structures, it was the neanderthals and neanderthal/homo hybrids.

Originally posted by miner49r
Fantastic work Slayer!!

For theory I think this could a long ways. It deserves a round of applause and further investigation. Something about the current modern scientific explanation of mankind just does not set right with me...call it instinct

As others have suggested, this very well may be worth publication and introduction into the scientific community.

I dunno.

I'll look into it but I'm a bit skidish

...slayer - about non-scientists submitting theories to the scientific community - you may already know about this lady, elaine morgan, and her aquatic ape theory - but - just in case, here ya go...

The aquatic ape hypothesis (AAH) is an alternative explanation of some characteristics of human evolution which hypothesizes that the common ancestors of modern humans spent a period of time adapting to life in a partially-aquatic environment. The hypothesis is based on differences between humans and other great apes, and apparent similarities between humans and some aquatic mammals. First proposed in 1942 and expanded in 1960, its greatest proponent has been the writer Elaine Morgan, who has spent more than forty years discussing the AAH.

While it is uncontroversial that both H. neanderthalensis and early H. sapiens were better suited to aquatic environments than other great apes,[1][2] and there have been conjectures suggesting protohumans underwent some adaptations due to interaction with water[3] the sort of radical specialization posited by the AAH has not been accepted within the scientific community as a valid explanation for human divergence from related primates. It has been criticized for possessing a variety of theoretical problems, for lacking evidentiary support, and for there being alternative explanations for many of the observations suggested to support the hypothesis. Morgan has also suggested that her status as an academic outsider has hindered acceptance of the hypothesis.

en.wikipedia.org...


...bbc ran a documentary...

AAT (Aquatic Ape Theory) postulates a period of time when pre-homo humans where in or around water, this might have been around 2-6 million years ago - so somewhat out of the range for the Megalithic builders. The evidence is scanty.

reply to post by hoghead cheese


Actually, if anything, homo sapiens are the more territorial, possessive and 'jealous' of the two and would more likely to have been the 'master' of any such a relationship.

Although, considering what's being discussed in this thread, I can't help but feel the need to make everyone aware of a novel written by Andy McDermott called "The Covenant of Genesis". It basically takes the premise of what we are discussing here and turns it into a fun Indiana Jones/Tomb Raider(with some James Bond thrown in for flavor )kind of story. In fact, so far Mr. McDermott has written 8 books in this series(whose central characters are archaeologist Nina Wilde and her eventual husband and former British spec ops turned bodyguard for hire, Eddie Chase) each one centered around some mythical place or item which supposedly doesn't really exist(example: the first book is about Atlantis). They don't really bring anything scientific to the table in regards to any of the places/objects they are centered around but will make good fuel for the imagination of anyone interested in archaeology like myself. So, if you're interested, just google McDermott's name and his official website should be the first link in the results.

Ok, got that out of my system. Now back to some serious discussions on ancient civilizations.

ETA:Hmmm...I wonder if mentioning McDermott and his books is a violation of the T&Cs? I guess I'll find out when and if my post gets 86ed or edited by a mod. No biggy if they do.

Many of those "Venus figurines" are actually dildos. Anthropology seems to have acquired a nice porno-collection

I've heard that at Tassili (Sahara) prehistoric site, there are many erotic drawings, but they are (were) "not for public"... Does anyone know some facts about this?


Here's an interesting figurine, very exaggerated vision of woman. my first thought was: woman is a machine for giving birth (like in Monty Python's Meaning of Life).
However, artistic quality is very low in this particular case.

www.nytimes.com...

And a dildo, which later transformed (by means of newly acquired "religious" consciousness") into "fertility cult phallus symbol"
graphics8.nytimes.com...
This is a good example of how this specific brain area, allegedly missing in neanderthals, functions, giving homo sapiens sapiens ultimate evolutionary advantage

Perhaps lone "standing stones" were giants' "phallus symbols"?

Evidence, and the way it is interpreted, are two very different things.

Here's an interesting information, alas no pics

www.stonepages.com...

And again, "scientific interpretation" of this obviously pleasure chamber:

...saying that the five metre (16-foot) long chamber in the cave may have been used for fertility rituals. "It is a place full of magic," he said.

"FERTILITY RITUALS"

reply to post by DangerDeath


I seem to recall reading somewhere that neanderthal society was matriarchal and rather promiscuous(kind of like a combination of wicca and the hippie culture) so those ending up being dildos wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Evidence, and the way it is interpreted, are two very different things.

.

Even so, you must admit that it would take a considerable amount of stone carving skill to make them(which was the main thrust of my post).

Here is an interesting site with prehistoric portraits from La Marche. Notice how some (not all) of those portraits/caricatures? have protruding faces...

www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk...

Hope some of you guys will know how to insert those pics into thread (not so much off topic ?).

Magdalenian Erotic art.. (15000-7000 BC)

www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk...

Originally posted by Mad Simian
reply to post by DangerDeath

 

I seem to recall reading somewhere that neanderthal society was matriarchal and rather promiscuous(kind of like a combination of wicca and the hippie culture) so those ending up being dildos wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Evidence, and the way it is interpreted, are two very different things.

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Even so, you must admit that it would take a considerable amount of stone carving skill to make them(which was the main thrust

of my post).

Evidently, many things that are known about prehistory, at least last 20000 years, are not really taught in school and thrown into our faces.
There is a very strong tendency to put literally everything prehistoric men did into some religious and social context. It is appalling how anti-individual and anti-free-form-art these interpreters are!

It is like no one could ever do some avant-garde or leisure work in prehistoric times and like everything one did was strictly by protocol. What a Nazi approach to interpret human history!


An article about neanderthal art
kasamaproject.org...

And here's a comparison between chimpanzee, prehistoric man, modern man and neanderthal art. Very interesting!

www.amfirstbooks.com...;_The_Scam _of_Modern_Art;_Do_Jewish_Artists_see_things_differently.html

You Know I was thinking abut Real Natural Unique Super Humans of Today

There is One Human I know about that has Literately Super Human Strength

and Scientifically Proven his Strength Ability is real ! it has to do with his Muscle Fiber's
an Extreme Gain of Activity when Used 2 to 3 times in the Norm
The Mans Name is Dennis Rodgers

(The Scientific View) Go to the Video Below for the scientific explanation
Stan lee's Superhumans - Super Strength


Full Version and Better ( Skip the beginning as you need to go to 4:10 or 6:50 min Mark )
SLS (S01.E01) - 3/3


His Site
Dennisrogers.net
www.dennisrogers.net...

Even Famed Illusionist David Blaine is Amazed

and Mostly what Mr Rodgers Show is Only his Hand and Forearms I would love to see him using his whole Body

Arms ,Neck, Back, Legs, & Feet

Dennis Rogers Promo





You Never know about these Builders of Architecture of Emense Tonnage!!!!!

Just have a Group of People like Dennis Rodgers building these Structures like Stone Henge and other like it around the World but it doesn't explain how Stone Softening nor Carving into Granite or Dolerite Stone on the Ancient Megalithic Structures

Now what if!! All Humans at one time had this Ability like Dennis Rodgers and it was lost and diluted
though out the centuries

No Aliens or Gods or Demigods nor Neanderthals Need to Apply ...


Im Starting to Believe We are a Major Diluted Version of Our Ancestors ! Of Strength, Immunity and All of our Five senses and sixth sense Supernatural ESP and Aging

as The Christian Bible have said Man Live to be 1,000 + years at one time ?
and was it reduced down to 120year all because of eating a piece of Fruit according to the bible



Did Methuselah Really Live To Be 969 Years Old?

by Gary T. Panell
bible-christian.org...



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Originally posted by Hanslune
AAT (Aquatic Ape Theory) postulates a period of time when pre-homo humans where in or around water, this might have been around 2-6 million years ago - so somewhat out of the range for the Megalithic builders. The evidence is scanty.

That statement was proven to be false last year, we have discovered a homo-sapien ancestor thought to have lived more than 4.2 Million Years ago on land.

heres a very interesting Article from the National Geographic.

reply to post by DangerDeath



What a great link


Look at this image:

www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk...

Statues, large statues, of bulls. We have evidence here, from 20k years ago, of someone being able to carve, from stone, highly artistic pieces.

Very, very interesting. From a perspective of Mazlow, it is shocking that such a hardened people found the time to develop the skill of creating art from stone.