Aliens. Evil or not?

Very true, but why stay away from all greys if you say some are evil and some are not? What i wanna know is, which ones will show first? and what are their intentions? Do they want peace? Or do they want domination?

Originally posted by thedebater
So what you are saying is it's their choice to be evil or not? I'm not really following..

Yep, that's pretty much what I'm saying.
If they exist, and they are coming here, in ways we can't possibly understand right now, they are smart enough to decide for themselves whether their actions are good or evil.
The same way we pick and choose.

Maybe the more intelligent you are, the less compassionate and sentimental you are?
Just a thought that's all.

That's a very good thought in my opinion You might have answered my question..but it still runs through my head as unsolved. Until we really know...we will never know, but i have to say what you are stating is the most common theory about extraterrestrials.

which leads me to believe you may be right about the whole thing.

Just theorizing:
Apes don't have a concept of right and wrong, they just do as they please.
They have a hierarchy of sorts.

We have developed enough to decide what is right and wrong, and turn it into laws, and rules our society lives by, i.e. Killing another human being is wrong..
But as the superior intelligent beings we consider we are, sometimes we decide ''killing another human being is okay, in certain circumstances'' i.e. police stand offs, snipers taking terrorists out etc etc etc..

We question it, and debate it, and it gets a really emotive response.

But maybe if we're talking about someone smarter than us, emotions just don't factor.
They want a human to study, they take one.
They want to investigate cows mouths, they do it.
If they think it has a benefit to their greater good. Then they will do it.
Much like we do.

Perhaps that's where we are heading?

I also think that with aliens, as with roaches (sorry if that sounds harsh) if you've got one, then there are probably many more lurking somewhere.
Different species will behave differently.
Maybe there are friendly kind ones who want to help, and others who view us as dangerous, unpredictable, zoo exhibits, that need to be examined carefully?

Yes exactly. Some evil. Some good. Who knows which ones they are, but as long as the good comes first

Originally posted by thedebater
Yes exactly. Some evil. Some good. Who knows which ones they are, but as long as the good comes first

Maybe the good can help us deal with the not-so-good?
(please.)

Hahaha let's hope so

They could be both when it comes to good and evil, it all depends on how people react.

If they reveal themselves and us humans freak out then they could be evil.
If they reveal themselves and they are accepted, then I would assume they are good.
It could go either way, it all depends on what we do, at least that's my opinion.

As for why they are here, well I'm not sure who knows the actual answer. So far we just have theories.

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You're asking a question that often tells us more about the person giving the answer than whether 'aliens' are good, bad, happy or sad. For example, there are groups dedicated to the 'alien' as a saviour and other groups who believe they are literal demons.

We've got some serious thinkers who would prefer it if Earth turns the music down and dims the lights in case we attract gate-crashers. Then the others who've, in a sense, put an invite on Facebook and can't wait to see who turns up.

Saviours, guardians, friends, tricksters, relatives, killers and genetic experimenters. Can anything really be all those things at once? Well there's only one thing that I know can be all those things at once and that's us.

So if pushed to answer the question, a yes/no answer would tell you I'm a black/white person which I'm not. What I do know is that out of 7 billion humans we are far more than halfway 'good' and maybe that points us in the right direction for an answer?

Originally posted by brindle
Steer clear of the little greys.Its a mix of good aliens and bad aliens.A lot of good races and alot of evil ones too.Good people,bad people.Good animals,bad animals.

Nah, they are all greys. Just different groups of them. Some are more friendly, some are not. But all in all, greys aren't that social and you won't see many, if any real ones. A lot of what gets identified as greys these days are really bots made by several groups of aliens who send them out to do bad things if those need doing, so that they won't get blamed if the SHTF about it.

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I would like to know where you got your information on this..just wondering,

That seems very hypothetical.

Originally posted by thedebater
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I would like to know where you got your information on this..just wondering,

Back about 10 years ago, I got hooked up (not at all by intention) to the racial unconscious via a shaman journey (drumming only, no drugs). Since then, information of all sorts has been coming thru, not the least of which is information about the aliens around here.

The biggest alien group that has impacted us and are still impacting us are the Jue-sah though. (When they die, they end up reincarnating as Jews---which is how we mispronounce Jue-sah). Their ex-leadership (a few of whom are still actual aliens) are currently the group that is behind the NWO bunch and Illuminati, so really, they are about the most evil and mean aliens you'll ever meet. They believe they have the right to enslave us and do with us what they want, and that is why they are always trying to take over the world.

All the rest are not so bad. The tall skinny blue people are probably the next meanest, and tend to reincarnate as arabs if you want to understand them better. The code of the desert fits them well. Mercy is considered weakness, and compassion a liability, but they do have a code of honor that they follow, so that does put them ahead of the Jue-sah who have none.

And of course, all the peoples and creatures of myth.. they've been reduced to myth by the Jue-sah because they really don't want us knowing aliens exist (and that *they* are aliens primarily). But the E-l*th (aka Elves), Gnomes, unicorns, sylphs, fairies, and so on are very real but mostly not still here on earth. The majority left in the early A.D.s when the rescue ship from the elven home world got here.

They, for the most part, consider humanity favorably. The values of justice, liberty, freedom and such are values we got from the Elves. They've been a very positive influence on humanity overall, albeit the ones trapped after Atlantis went down did get kinda whacked out (aka the gods of Greece, Rome, Scandinavia) and acted quite poorly by the end of their time here. But the elves don't take being stuck on small backwards worlds very well and all elves shouldn't be judged by the actions of those trapped 'gods' of ancient Europe.

There are lots of other aliens, many of which didn't live long enough in their original alien bodies to get a name for themselves in the human language before they died and their spirits got sucked into a human body.

I'd be happy to tell you more about the others if you wish. Of course, I realize nobody's supposed to be so certain of these things and so you may think I'm just making it all up or something. I wish. I'm trying to write a fiction book, but I just can't imagine where to go with the plot and so am stuck. Some imagination, eh?? *lol*

Ok do you want the truth? Alright. You're thinking which is good, but you're not seeing it from another standpoint. You are dealing with creatures that may have an entirely different point of view than your entire race or individual.

They may not understand the 'terms' of decency that you deem necessary. The biggest problem is communication, which in itself is obvious.

They are very 'peaceful' and understanding, but you seem to look at it on the view that they go out of their way when their intention is more important than your sense of decency or morality.

I've never been 'abducted' but what I've found is a lot of these 'things' are peaceful, they just want to be friendly and communicate, and DON'T KNOW the rules of human decency, and through a process I'm sure a good number of them are trying very hard to learn our 'isms' and become slightly integrated into society. The issue is they do NOT UNDERSTAND, and through that is where the fear comes from for you.

I assure you that these 'grays' and related 'chimeras' because THEY are CHIMERAS, are literally hunted down for no reason. They lessened the 'terrorizing' phase if you took notice lately, those abduction cases took a drop which probably many of them 'hoaxed' by another organization to appear as them.

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That is quite amazing. So basically you went into deep meditation and are now receiving all this information through meditation? And you should definitely write a story. But i can't just take your word for it. I also have these htings that come into my mind about aliens but nothing i for see is "evil"

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I'm pretty sure you are thinking in my perspective, which is a good thing, but how do you know it's "the truth"? and i'm glad you are able to share this intriguing information with me. I know they do know how to communicate, but i have heard it is through mind reading that they are able to talk. Yes i believe they are peaceful. I don't have time to start a new thread about this, but in 2012 or 2013, we will all know our place in this universe, as far as i am told.

Originally posted by darkcloak88
Ok do you want the truth? Alright. You're thinking which is good, but you're not seeing it from another standpoint. You are dealing with creatures that may have an entirely different point of view than your entire race or individual.

They may not understand the 'terms' of decency that you deem necessary. The biggest problem is communication, which in itself is obvious.

They are very 'peaceful' and understanding, but you seem to look at it on the view that they go out of their way when their intention is more important than your sense of decency or morality.

I've never been 'abducted' but what I've found is a lot of these 'things' are peaceful, they just want to be friendly and communicate, and DON'T KNOW the rules of human decency, and through a process I'm sure a good number of them are trying very hard to learn our 'isms' and become slightly integrated into society. The issue is they do NOT UNDERSTAND, and through that is where the fear comes from for you.

I assure you that these 'grays' and related 'chimeras' because THEY are CHIMERAS, are literally hunted down for no reason. They lessened the 'terrorizing' phase if you took notice lately, those abduction cases took a drop which probably many of them 'hoaxed' by another organization to appear as them.

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edit on 24-8-2011 by darkcloak88 because: grammar

Bullcrap... if there are really aliens here, they are really working with the government, it becomes the automatic truth if there are aliens and have been visting us. Because then if there were aliens really coming to Earth, stories about how they work udnerground with people will likely be true.

And then they are up to no good, but they dont need to do War of the worlds, they have their own ways of eating us from within. Greys are not benevolent.

Originally posted by thedebater
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That is quite amazing. So basically you went into deep meditation and are now receiving all this information through meditation? And you should definitely write a story. But i can't just take your word for it. I also have these htings that come into my mind about aliens but nothing i for see is "evil"

Actually, it was a shaman journey, which is kind of a trance more than meditation. And I don't need to meditate now, to get info. All I need to do is wonder, and give a pause while I'm thinking, and usually information starts coming thru.

And of course you can't take my word for it. But what I have found is if I hear 'truth' being relayed, it usually resonates with me--with kind of a physical confirmation. I call it a sense of 'knowingness' that we feel from hearing the 'truth'. For me it's sort of like a silent gonging, others say it gives them goose bumps, still others say they feel a chill up their spine, and so on.

I think the trick is to find what indicators you get when you sense 'truth', and learn to trust that as much if not more so than when others tell you stuff, even if it is based on 'scientific' research and 'proof'. All of that material stuff can so easily be manipulated and has been if you can look at the stuff in the racial unconscious. It's very clear how the Jue-sah aka Illuminati have been so spinning us for millennium.

And well, the term 'evil' is subjective. I suppose none of the aliens are truly evil any more than any human is truly evil. I just dislike the Jue-sah's choice of behavior is all, although they are still here because our racial unconscious's sentience made a contract with them. It is because of their abusing us and driving us and trying to enslave us that we humans didn't get all comfortable and not grow spiritually as was needed, and instead will be ready to start making full enlightenment as this planet moves into this area of space where the frequencies are higher; a necessary part of making enlightenment, which is why this time is different than all the other times people were making predictions of our imminent spiritual rise.

Not a simple question.

Bottom line is this: We are now in a position where we should be able to make up our own minds about this. This wasn't the case 2,000 years ago, or at many other times when open contact was attempted.

And it would be a lot better for us if we could figure this out for ourselves. We would emerge with more of our own power and sovereignty intact if we could. I was trained to be highly suspicious. That is because my source has not detected any past event that humans can remember where ETs, when acting as an organized group, acted with any real love for us.

This source sees the great teachers who came here as humans. The ET stories say that these teachers were working directly for off-world friendly groups. This is possible, but so far it's just a story.

The main pivotal issue for me is mind control. Many ET groups use it, and some human groups try to use it. If you value your freedom then you don't want someone else controlling your thoughts and emotions, no matter how necessary they say it is. The ETs who say "don't believe us - work it out for yourselves" get more credit with me than those who tell me that I should embrace them as our saviors. And per my source, what they are NOT telling us about past mind control and mind wipe campaigns prior to earth colonization is a lot.

I would prefer that humankind gain control of its own fate. We are not yet in that position, and I don't see us getting there by the end of next year. So it is likely that some of us will feel obliged to cooperate with them one way or another. I would prefer not to be in that group.