Stratfor disputes OBL killing in Abbottabad

Stratfor disputes OBL killing in Abbottabad

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ISLAMABAD - Globally recognized intelligence and forecast STRATFOR has rejected the US Central Intelligence Agency claim that the man killed in Abbottabad’s compound by US Naval SEALs was al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden. This was one of the reasons the CIA kept Pakistan’s premier intelligence agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in dark.

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I have the same feeling when I review the information available on the OBL capture / kill operation. Stratfor has a good reputation in the civilian open source information field. If they are saying that Osama was already dead I tend to believe them. Especially if this was a PR stunt to help a failing presidency and boost a reelection for an unpopular president.

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reply to post by wayouttheredude


Explanation: S&F!

Personal Disclosure: Bumped for JUSTICE!

reply to post by wayouttheredude


Anyone with three brain cells can put the pieces to the puzzle together and realize that OBL was NOT killed in Pakistan a few months ago.

As mentioned Pakistan was kept in the dark.
OBL's body was buried at sea before anyone was told about it.
OBL's DNA was matched (from what) within hours, on a helicopter (originally reported).
No pictures.
Members of the SEAL team that allegedly killed OBL was shot down.

If Obama wanted to truly be an American icon and get the support he wants, wouldnt it have been a better idea to capture OBL alive, transport him to the US and hold a trial for the American populace to see. And then televise the electrocution, hanging, etc to them? March his dead body through the streets of NY?

Oh..couldnt do that though. Wouldnt want him to blatantly deny any involvement in 9/11. Have to keep the masquerade up.

reply to post by wayouttheredude


I definitely agree with Stratfor, this entire bin Laden death does not make sense one bit. I'm pretty sure bin Laden has been dead this entire time, however it was just an excellent excuse to send troops to a foreign nation and manipulate them into harvesting their resources. I remember Bennazir Bhutto a few years ago said on national television that bin Laden was killed, and a month later she was assassinated.

reply to post by Unvarnished


I remember that I think in fact I posted on that years ago. That was one of the first things to pop into my mind when I heard the story of the OBL hit. The downed chopper that was examined by the ChiCom was likely a more expensive bit of collateral damage for the POTUS. This fiasco was in a league of its own for sure.

reply to post by wayouttheredude


who didnt see this coming?

Star and Flags now where are those Idiots who were cheering over the death of Bin laden? are they hiding in a cave to

Anyone have a link to the Stratfor piece? It's a bit difficult to discern the veracity of this sourced article if their claim isn't readily available for verification..

The only thing I could track down there was this:

www.stratfor.com...

which was from May 2011, and requires an email addy for viewing..

is this the one the OP source is referring to?

I don't know, but would love to see more info on the claims, before I bite on the OP's sourced article..

How long will we as a populace lay dormant and accept the lies? The more I learn about what's really happening, the more the events of the world seem like acts of a terrible, awful play... hard to believe how far gone everything really is, once you lift up the lies on the surface.

reply to post by JacKatMtn

www.stratfor.com...

What should we make then of Al Qaeda's statement following the seige in Abbottabad?

The following is what is published on Al-Jazeera:

source

Following is an abridged version of the text of the statement issued by Al-Qaeda on the death of Osama bin Laden.

Congratulations to the Islamic nation on the martyrdom of its good son Osama after a life full of effort and work, determination and patience, incitement and holy struggle, generosity and giving, emigration and travel, advice and good preparation, wisdom and experience.

That the Americans were able to kill Osama is not shameful to us. Where else do men and heroes die except on the battlefield? Every end is predestined. But can the Americans with their media, agents, machinery, soldiers, intelligence and equipment kill what Sheikh Osama lived and fought for? Never, never.

Sheikh Osama did not build an organisation that will die with his death and leave with his departure...

The nation that gave birth to Osama is a fertile nation. Many more men and heroes like him will come, who will enjoy sacrifice and find patience sweet, who will make the life of their enemies bitter and open to them the doors of hell or lead them to heaven in shackles...

We assert that the blood of the mujahid Sheikh Osama bin Laden, may God have mercy on him, is too precious to us and to every Muslim to be wasted in vain. And it will remain, with permission from God Almighty, a curse that haunts the Americans and their collaborators and pursues them outside and inside their country, and that soon, with God's help, their joy will turn to sorrow and their tears will mix with blood, and we will realise

Sheikh Osama's oath: America, and those who live in America, will not enjoy security until our people in Palestine do.

The soldiers of Islam, together or as individuals, will continue to plot tirelessly and without desperation ... until they are struck with a calamity that will make the hair of children turn white.

The sheikh refused to depart from this world without sharing with his Islamic nation its joy over its revolutions in the face of the oppressors. A week before his killing, he recorded a voice message of congratulations and advice which we will publish soon, God willing.

We warn the Americans not to harm the corpse of the sheikh or expose it, or any member of his family, whether alive or dead, to any indecent treatment and to deliver (all) the corpses to their families. Any mistreatment will open multiple doors of evil against you, and you should blame no-one but yourselves.

We call upon all Muslims to do their duty in imposing the truth.

Should we believe that both Al Qaeda and Al Jazeera are also pawns in this evil American scheme?

I'm with JacKatMtn on this. Show me the money at STRATFOR.

If true though, and STRATFOR is disputing OBL's recent "death," then it just confirms what many of us believe already that he died long ago, and the SEAL operation was a publicity stunt.

The killing seemed so strange to me, I joined ATS right after. I see his death listed as 05/02/11, but my join date is 05/01/11. I guess that's Pakistani time. Or, maybe it's a time slip like the BBC with WTC7? I remember everyone here being suspicious about the sudden flood of membership. I would guess some others thought the killing strange too.

Do any of you know where I can find the 2nd Bin Laden confession video?

So feeling bad for Obama, both the PR head of the terrorists, his wife and other people at the scene, all decided to go along with the plot? And all the hundreds of military people involved, including dozens involved in the raid itself, knowing it was all a scam, went flying through treacherous mountains at night, risking all their lives... and purposely crashed a brand new stealth helicopter design, thereby giving it away to the whole world... But they just wanted to help out the president?

No matter what happened with OBL, or what they did, or how they handled it, or whether or not they showed him... People were going to think the opposite.

Originally posted by dpd11
So feeling bad for Obama, both the PR head of the terrorists, his wife and other people at the scene, all decided to go along with the plot? And all the hundreds of military people involved, including dozens involved in the raid itself, knowing it was all a scam, went flying through treacherous mountains at night, risking all their lives... and purposely crashed a brand new stealth helicopter design, thereby giving it away to the whole world... But they just wanted to help out the president?

No matter what happened with OBL, or what they did, or how they handled it, or whether or not they showed him... People were going to think the opposite.

the seals didnt know it was a "scam". they werent told who they were going to get. and after it was announced that it was osama that was killed they reportedly were going to blow the whistle. then they magically died. all of them. and i doubt there were "hundreds" of military involved if this was supposedly a secret high profile mission/target such as the leader of our stated enemy.

and only an insignificant portion of the tail was "given to the world". the tail is not what makes it stealth and it is therefore useless.

youd think, if it really happened that they would be interviewing the ones who got him like they did with saddam. on top of that, navy seals missions arent made public the next day, sometimes it takes years before its all said and done and families find out the details of what happened (let alone the media). and here for the first time ever, our navy breaches its own protocol and gives us the play by play the very next day.

reply to post by wayouttheredude


Since this Statfor guy is so good at reading the obvious, what's his take on the veracity of the original reasons for the decades long manhunt and assorted wars and occupations?

If he hasn't been vocal about 911 being obvious BS, then he's obvious BS.

I love Stratforce, get get source of info. And I have to agree with what they are saying. Yet again another story FULL of holes..kinda like 9.11. Crazy huh?

reply to post by DrakeDarc


Don't trust STRATFOR

I posted an interpretation of the message of Bin Laden's death, it suggests a possible 'symbolic' code hidden in the message.

Not many seemed to 'get it', so I think I didn't explain it very well. Symbology is not overly easy to explain.
Suffice to say, the thread bombed.

Bin Laden's Death - Hidden message?

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