Stratfor disputes OBL killing in Abbottabad

Originally posted by wayouttheredude

Stratfor disputes OBL killing in Abbottabad

The article is a lie.

The article quotes STATFOR as saying

“The possibility that bin Laden was already dead and in terms of his impact on terrorist operations, he effectively was

but it selectively chooses to miss the first few words from the ACTUAL stratfor statement...

STRATFOR long considered the possibility that bin Laden was already dead, and in terms of his impact on terrorist operations, he effectively was...

Long considered the possibility. Before the raid.

STRATFOR do *NOT* say that the man killed in Pakistan was not Osama.
The article by the Pakistani newspaper is a lie.

(and most of you fell for it, because you didnt check the references)

link

P.S. Note this has nothing to do with whether or not the man killed was Osama or not. This thread is about what STRATFOR believe, and the misquoting by the Pakistani newspaper.

Originally posted by JacKatMtn
Anyone have a link to the Stratfor piece? It's a bit difficult to discern the veracity of this sourced article if their claim isn't readily available for verification..

The OP wasn't linking to Stratfor, only to the Pakistani daily 'Nation', but that link too doesn't work.

Seacrhing by the content posted from Nation, I could find a link to another Pakistani site

Here is the link to the article in the Nation.

The content quoted in the article and attributed to Stratfor is found on the second page of the Stratfor article you yourself linked to.

Originally posted by youdidntseeme
What should we make then of Al Qaeda's statement following the seige in Abbottabad?

Should we believe that both Al Qaeda and Al Jazeera are also pawns in this evil American scheme?

So al Jazeera is the official publication of the al Qaeda?

If not, what difference does it make to the veracity of a statement attributed to be originating from "al Qaeda" regardless of where it is published?

It is also funny that with so many Arabic language netwroks and newspapers in existence, "al Qaeda" should pick al Jazeera, a re-incarnated version of BBC- Arabic, as their official network/newspaper.

Originally posted by alfa1
The article is a lie.

No, it is not. It is an interpretation of what Stratfor said. If Stratfor long considered it possible that Osama was already dead, then they would have to doubt the "capture and killing" of Osama on May 2, 2011.

There is certainly a section of Pakistani people who firmly believe the events of May 2, 2011 were nothing more than a drama. The 'Nation' article is trying to increase credibility for the view by quoting from Stratfor.

If people at Stratfor firmly believe that the guy who was "captured and killed" on May 2, 2011 was indeed Osama, they can easily set at rest the speculation by saying so.

Anyone who believes 9/11 was a inside job (like myself) then must also believe Bin laden was killed over 10 years ago ,because if you pull off a stunt like 9/11 you don't leave a loose ends like bin laden roaming around ,it be the main priority after 9/11.

This so called bin laden raid done a few mts ago ,was a blatant political stunt ,design to win public confidence in Obama ,but proving it will no easy feat !

Originally posted by Observor

Originally posted by alfa1
The article is a lie.

No, it is not. It is an interpretation of what Stratfor said. If Stratfor long considered it possible that Osama was already dead, then they would have to doubt the "capture and killing" of Osama on May 2, 2011.

It is a deliberate MISinterpretation of what STRAFOR said.
STRATFOR do *not* doubt the "capture and killing" of Osama on May 2, 2011. Read the STRATFOR article I linked to. It is quite specific on this.
The entire premise of the Pakistani article relies on the selective misquoting of ONE sentence. Everything else in the article follows the standard line that he was killed by the US on May 2.

Originally posted by Observor
If people at Stratfor firmly believe that the guy who was "captured and killed" on May 2, 2011 was indeed Osama, they can easily set at rest the speculation by saying so.

They did say so.
Read the article.

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So what do you think. Is the PK article some kind of PsiOP?

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Perhaps. But I'd expect some sort of response by now from one side or another.

Simply put, if the enemy nor the friend speaks, I ain't going to trust the random man on the street.

Originally posted by TheMaverick
Anyone who believes 9/11 was a inside job (like myself) then must also believe Bin laden was killed over 10 years ago ,because if you pull off a stunt like 9/11 you don't leave a loose ends like bin laden roaming around ,it be the main priority after 9/11.

This so called bin laden raid done a few mts ago ,was a blatant political stunt ,design to win public confidence in Obama ,but proving it will no easy feat !

You would have a great point here, except for the fact that for 10 years, Al Qaeda maintained that bin Laden was alive and in the first week of MAy this year, after it was reported worldwide that bin Laden was killed, Al Qaeda released a statement n his martyrdom and verified that iyt was the US that killed him.

This fact right here, if we are to believe that bin Laden was a 'loose end' in your theory, kind of lessens the credence of a conspiratol 9/11 theory as well.

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"Internet statement". I could've typed that up and emailed it to Al Jazeera for all anyone knows. Al Qaida is like Anonymous - could be noone, everyone, who knows. I could type some BS and put it up on Pastebin, is it from Anonymous?

reply to post by youdidntseeme

Should we believe that both Al Qaeda and Al Jazeera are also pawns in this evil American scheme?

Yes!

If they are not then TPTB in America have broken with their long standing historical tradition. Everyone believes that we are the good guys - or used to! We actually never have been the good guys at all. On our soil or someone else's, since the days of Columbus we have been some of the worst bad guys on the planet, we just have had good PR, even before the acronym was coined.

Remember, history is always written by the victor, therefore a real study of real history requires looking past all the BS they pumped into us in school.

A read of The Secret War Against The Jews by Aarons and Loftus will give you a whole new perspective of what is going on in the Middle East today because it explains what led up to this. We have always publicly proclaimed ourselves to be on Israel's side, but that was for public consumption by our disposable politicians. Behind the scenes we have been arming the Arabs faster and better than we ever did for the Israelis. Why? Because we want the oil! It should come as no surprise to anyone here that real policy in Washington has always been "screw what is right, we need oil for our empire."

Wouldn't it make sense to notice that the real power in America are the folks who remain in power without elections? Look at the revolving door that Big Oil had with the Intelligence Community. Why? It was a desert, no one wanted to go there, except Big Oil. Soon Big Oil was as good as setting foreign policy in that region. Sound familiar? Every four or eight years we get a new actor to do his new little dance for us so we can be entertained and distracted from what is really going on.

One of the problems with forums like this is that it forces issues into topics. You cannot do that, it doesn't work! Topics forces issues into puzzle piece form, which prevents you from looking at the big picture --> this leads us to the dumbing down of America where they force learning into departments this leads us to Tesla --> next to the Morgan monopolies --> next up the ICC fraud --> ad infinitum...

Before long everyone is confused, it is easier to handle things in topics, I think it's time for a beer; oh look the plan worked! Viola. These days we cannot stop with thinking outside the box, we must think outside the pallet the box is in, then outside the truck that is carrying it, get off the highway, etc. etc.

Just sayin...

At the moment that idiot obama opened his mouth about the "supposed" killing OBL, I knew it was an out right lie.

whether OBL had anything to do with 911 is irrelevant, what is relevant is the raping of America and the treasonous disregard and assault on our constitution and our freedoms by the scumbag political,judicial, economic,and intelligence systems.

All eyes must remain focused on washington and we must prepare to wield the fly swatter of justice upon our treasonous enemies

OBL was a patsy like all other patsy's......GROOMED

I subscribe to Strafor. Stratfor says NO SUCH THING. They have an entire section on OBL and nowhere do they say any such thing. How can this thread get flags and stars when there is no substantiation whatsoever of its claims?

Originally posted by schuyler
I subscribe to Strafor. Stratfor says NO SUCH THING. They have an entire section on OBL and nowhere do they say any such thing. How can this thread get flags and stars when there is no substantiation whatsoever of its claims?

Because the "Deny Common Sense" crowd that frequents this place does not want to let facts get in the way of their fantasy.

Originally posted by schuyler
I subscribe to Strafor. Stratfor says NO SUCH THING. They have an entire section on OBL and nowhere do they say any such thing. How can this thread get flags and stars when there is no substantiation whatsoever of its claims?

This happens way to often round these parts. Someone comes up with a so-called conspiracy, all the bandwagon folks get on this for whatever reason that they have. Some want to be frst because if by chance it is a real story, they can say that they were there at the beginning. Some might actually believe the story, god help those people, and some just do it because it is what seems popular.

We see it all the time as well when a 'respected' member of the community comes out with a claim, it gets tons of stars and flags and 'attaboys' and so on and son on, then when the real story is revealed and the OP corrects him/herself, you still have people that read no further than the headline and sarts the whole cycle over again.

In this thread there is no substantiation, only evidence that refutes the OP's claims, yet where are we with intelligent dialogue? Its the same thing all over again.

Recap, this is a 'conspiracy' perpetrated by some Pakistani news outlet, that misinterprets one Statfor quote, and now the tinfoils here at ATS seem to know all about it.

There are some real. quality, meaty stories out there. Honest to goodness conspiracies, thatgo deeper than ATS will ever scratch, as well as plenty that we talk abut o a day to day basis,

This is not one of them.

To the people that were saying the seal team 6 members that took out Bin Laden died in that chopper crash are wrong. The pentagon has come out and said none of the members from the raid that got Bin Laden died in that crash. Seal team 6 consisted of a lot more people than just those that were in that raid.

articles.latimes.com...

this was just a quick google search on the topic. It talks about that half way down the article. So to those that said they "found out inside info" then all of them were killed please provide some kind of source atleast....not just some random crazy claim

btw i fully believe 9/11 was an inside job or at the very least the govt knew/helped do it. i also extremely question the Bin Laden raid. Very weird to get a trophy like Bin Laden...then get DNA evidence within hours to confirm him and then dump him in the ocean??? very very wierd

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Well since I started the thread I will say that I do not have a subscription to Stratfor. I posted the article because it looked on the surface to have some credence and it was breaking news if it was. I might put this whole PK site on my Sorcha Fail list. I think the members with the Stratfor subscription have cleared the air.

The mods can move this thread to the Hoax category at this point.

Originally posted by RelentlessLurker

Originally posted by dpd11
So feeling bad for Obama, both the PR head of the terrorists, his wife and other people at the scene, all decided to go along with the plot? And all the hundreds of military people involved, including dozens involved in the raid itself, knowing it was all a scam, went flying through treacherous mountains at night, risking all their lives... and purposely crashed a brand new stealth helicopter design, thereby giving it away to the whole world... But they just wanted to help out the president?

No matter what happened with OBL, or what they did, or how they handled it, or whether or not they showed him... People were going to think the opposite.

the seals didnt know it was a "scam". they werent told who they were going to get. and after it was announced that it was osama that was killed they reportedly were going to blow the whistle. then they magically died. all of them. and i doubt there were "hundreds" of military involved if this was supposedly a secret high profile mission/target such as the leader of our stated enemy.

and only an insignificant portion of the tail was "given to the world". the tail is not what makes it stealth and it is therefore useless.

youd think, if it really happened that they would be interviewing the ones who got him like they did with saddam. on top of that, navy seals missions arent made public the next day, sometimes it takes years before its all said and done and families find out the details of what happened (let alone the media). and here for the first time ever, our navy breaches its own protocol and gives us the play by play the very next day.

OK... Except for the fact that the operators killed in the helicopter shoot down were not all directly involved with the raid. You do realize that a team consists of over 150 operators, right? No, of course you don't. Most of the operators involved in the raid are still alive and well. As I already said... The helicopter variant was UNKNOWN. It is now KNOWN. Get it? Of what value the remaining portion has is irrelevant... And by the way, if you knew anything about aerospace technology, you would know that just that portion COULD be very relevant. You could study the composite structure used, the skin material, the radar evasive paint, the angles of the radar cross section reduced parts... Not to mention that countries like Pakistan now know we have an better way to sneak in and get rid of people. They told the world about the raid, because they knew it was important to the country. Duh.

Are we really going to start using soldiers killed in action to further a bunch of conspiracy theories now? Really?

Maybe you should actually know what you're talking about before you start accusing people of murdering soldiers, based on nothing more than an irrational theory.

Originally posted by wayouttheredude
Well since I started the thread I will say that I do not have a subscription to Stratfor. I posted the article because it looked on the surface to have some credence and it was breaking news if it was. I might put this whole PK site on my Sorcha Fail list. I think the members with the Stratfor subscription have cleared the air.

The mods can move this thread to the Hoax category at this point.

I applaud you here, many members will hold onto their threads for dear life, we all see now that this story is not what it seemed on the surface and you are respectable enough to clear the water here. Good job.

Originally posted by wayouttheredude
So what do you think. Is the PK article some kind of PsiOP?

It is not a PsyOp.

There are quite a few people who doubt this "capture and killing" of Osama. Instead of saying it is their view point they tried to buy some credibility by attributing to a Western source. Pakistani media probably haven't mustered the courage to challenge official Western propaganda by voicing their own views.