Iraqi Sniper Released From Prison After Just 5-Years For Killing Two Marines

Let me preempt this post by saying: Hello, Nine years of experience in the military/DoD, three deployments to Iraq/Afghanistan, and five elsewhere in the GWOT. And here we go.

Originally posted by Victor03

Im a US Marine. If they caught this guy there is a 99.9% chance he did what he did which is kill 2 of my brothers that i never got to meet.

Unless he was caught within minutes of the shooting (not likely), the chances are closer to 70% that he killed those marines. That comes from intelligence statistics compiled at the Perfume Palace in Baghdad. If you're not sure why that particular place matters, U2U me, and I'll tell you.

Originally posted by Victor03
Its real easy to sit at a computer and consider yourself superior to two dead men and say "they invaded a country they get what they deserve". Or "the poor terrorist is really just defending his country". ##SNIP## You dont know that he was part of the syrian/iranian/baathist terrorist groups that murdered more Iraqis than they did US military personnel.

You don't know that either. There's a possibility he was. A good one at that. But without access to all the details, you can't make that blanket statement. Even still, just because others in the group he may associate with set off bombs in crowds of civilians, does that mean he should be charged for that? Should a black panther supporter marching in a protest be charged with murders others in the organization caused? He was a sniper, which means he probably wasn't a bomb maker.

Originally posted by Victor03
Being that this guy was sniping he very possibly may have had formal training from the iranians or syrians. Real sniping isnt the same as when you sit your ass in a chair and play sniper on the xbox. Iran and syria were giving crash courses on how to shoot, stalk, make ieds, gather intel, ect and PAYING these folks to go out and kill. THAT MAKES HIM A MERCENARY NOT A POOR IRAQI FIGHTING OFF THE INVADERS!!!!!!

Yes and no. If you see the world in black and white, then you'll see him as a mercenary. But take a look from his side. Maybe he lost family, maybe he just didn't agree with what was happening, and supported Sadaam. He's smart enough to know that grabbing up the nearest AK and running out in the streets is suicide. Where can he get training? His military has been decimated. The government and military set up in it's place is in the pocket of the invaders. But wait, someone is willing to train me to fight back against what he perceives to be invaders? I would take whatever training I could get. And then they say they're going to pay him too? Don't need to give that too much thought, a man's gotta eat and feed his family, after all.

Originally posted by Victor03
I had buddies get shot up in fallujah and few more gone from ieds one being family. Anyone marginalizing these two Marines deaths and showing any type of support for the terrorist that killed them I have something to say to you. Go look in the mirror and tell yourself you will never be the type of person that Captain McKenna or Cpl. Glover was, you will never be that good. Shame on every damn one of you talking like that. Semper fi.

I lost people too. Lots of people have. Capt McKenna and Cpl Glover knew what they signed up for. And kudos to them for it. Big kudos to Capt McKenna for putting himself in mortal danger to pull one of his men to safety. I am by no means cheering their deaths.

Fact is though, if the US were invaded (unlikely though that may be at the moment), and her military and police forces were replaced with a force mostly controlled by the invaders, I'd fight back too. I'd take the training where I could. And if the persons with the most resources and the most active rebellion happened to be the Mafia, or something along those lines, well, you'd find me firmly in their camp at least until the rebellion ended.

Originally posted by SirMike
reply to post by GmoS719

 

You dont see it on the news because it sounds like a steaming load of bull.

Right. America never does any wrong. It never did genocide to the Indigenous people of America. it never invaded and colonized other countries in name of democracy. It never set up puppet governments that causes lots of death and civil war. It has never experimented on the American populace. It never did eugenics(which gave the idea to Hitler on much grander scale). It never imprisoned and deported LEGAL American-Mexicans because economy was bad. It never imprisoned Japanese-Americans because WW2. It was never having slaves (blacks) no. It never used WMD's on japan, various other countries. The list goes on.


But some how you doubt civilians are not dying..............

My friend you are the brainwashed American sheep that is making America into ruins.

reply to post by RedGod


Well done, thats the 1st post Ive seen from an American that hasnt been totally hypocritical thinking the US can do whatever it wants but the opposition has to be killed/arrested for doing the same thing. The US doesnt even believe it should be held to account for war crimes which is disgusting.

Everyone moaning about this would do exactly the same thing if the Chinese invaded the US.

I am confused,
why was there any negotiation in regards to this guys punishment? Why didnt our guys just shoot in in the face?

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
It's horrible that those young men were killed, but it's war. American soldiers are not being imprisoned for killing Iraqis.

ETA: Though I have to say, I think the second killing of the soldier rescuing his buddy may have been a war crime, but I'm not expert.

edit on 22-8-2011 by InvisibleAlbatross because: (no reason given)

As much as I hate to, I agree. We invaded their country, war is hell and even the US has snipers. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died since we invaded in 2002.

reply to post by roshambo


Because that would have been a war crime if he surrendered.

Originally posted by axslinger

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
It's horrible that those young men were killed, but it's war. American soldiers are not being imprisoned for killing Iraqis.

ETA: Though I have to say, I think the second killing of the soldier rescuing his buddy may have been a war crime, but I'm not expert.

edit on 22-8-2011 by InvisibleAlbatross because: (no reason given)

As much as I hate to, I agree. We invaded their country, war is hell and even the US has snipers. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died since we invaded in 2002.

It's not necessarily a "war crime." All that U.N. mandated crap goes out the window in combat as is. If I were a far-outnumbered sniper fending off an invasion force, I would put 1 in the soldier's leg and one in his buddy's leg. I would continue to do this so long as they kept sending men in to pull them out. It's lone-sniper tactics, very effective and absolutely cruel. That is war. Unabated cruelty. I have served in that conflict, and as I mentioned before, if this man was a simple Iraqi taking shots at an invading force in the name of his homeland and his neighbors, he has done no wrong. I take no pride in saying it, but there is a distinct understanding between combatants. We killed a lot of good men in the fray, specifically in the first few years of the occupation. It was nearly impossible to tell who was a border-crossing religious fanatic and who was a simple Iraqi taking up arms against an invading force that killed innocent Iraqi civilians, albeit unintentionally.

I sat down with a few of the local militias who were labeled "freedom fighters" myself and helped negotiate a few cease fires. The Iraqi freedom fighters came to understand that themselves, as well as the coalition forces were much more interested in engaging legitimate terrorists who crossed into Iraq for no other reason than to kill and terrorize. The local Iraqi populace suffered at the hands of these brutal and murderous religious zealots more than we did. We came to fight alongside each other instead of against each other.

reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross


It isnt. That is how a single sniper can stop and entire platoon. Get one down, leave him alive, sight in on his buddies trying to rescue him. Its that simple.

Originally posted by Connman
Personally I think the justice was not served when they captured this guy. As mentioned war is war and people die so he should have been shot dead back then. No trial needed that way.

Are you even remotely aware of what a sick comment you just made? The U.S. military should murder captured prisoners? Is that what you're advocating?

reply to post by Flyer


Thanks, I try. I suppose I was just one of those that was raised to realize that Americans aren't the only ones that are Human Beings. Probably helps that I also come from American Indian stock.

dude some pedophiles get out of jail after 2 years for crimes againt inocent people, soldiers are not innocent people...

Horse #!!! write a letter about the depleted uranium rounds US forces used, which kill not only there targets(and there unborn generations ,but(slowly) kills the US forces when they get home.
had i an Army invade my nation, just to install a puppet regime,and steal our oil,id scope them too (as would you truth be told)...and if they,oh... i dont know, used a prison as a cover to torture thousands of people that where scooped off the street for having the nerve to be in the wrong place as the cowboys rolled past, yes id kill again!!! its karma you see,for the million plus dead since the mickey mouse invasion started.

gonna write letters??? have a cry??? sort ya mess of a society out first and then you can teach us all.

ps..b4 you start callin me a commi/ terrorist/ liberal loving fag,or what ever.

Im pro intervention,pro US( my father is is an officer in USAF ) but lets get it straight there is a list of major ass holes in world that need to be taken out,scum that ruin the lives of the people,steal plunder and are just # bags..half a dozen special forces ops,and world a better place.

A war of expansion and domination, is imperialism dressed up for the brain dead masses to gobble up.

oh!! and you call the shooter a" terrorist"? was it not YOU which INVADED them, and with zero link to the events of a certain september morning,and iraq regime you facts are somewhat off kilter, flawed, and zenophobic to the point of sadness.

you you really that ignorant!! what a silly person you are.

I am confused,
why was there any negotiation in regards to this guys punishment? Why didnt our guys just shoot in in the face?

indeed!!! you are very confused,about a great many things it would seem.

reply to post by RedGod


All that really matters is that this guy should not be released while american troops are still there, that was the agreement. He is most likely an accomplished sniper, with at least 2 confirmed kills.
This is a symptom of the west's attempt at fighting in a civil mannor with chivalry and honor. The next possible sniper captured should now be executed on the spot, there are now confirmed practical, and strategical reasons to no longer practice chivalry or work with the iraqi government. Kill the next one before he kills 2 more and let these same ones talking about how they're not really terrorists come out in true form and bad mouth americans for fighting fire with fire.
This is the most polite occupation in histroy where prisoners of war are entrusted to their own government instead of the victors'.

Originally posted by -W1LL
this news leaves me speechless, I am furious why was this sniper let go from prison? it makes me wonder why were these soldiers even there if we are just letting terrorist snipers back out into the fight?

Shortly before the fifth anniversary of their sons death, the parents of Captain John McKenna and Lance Corporal Michael Glover found the man who killed their sons was released from an Iraqi prison.

According to The Daily News, Muhammad Awwad Ahmad was paroled in November of last year after Iraqi officials promised he'd never be freed before American troops withdrew from Iraq.

The U.S. military was assured the sniper would see "proper justice" after the 2006 killings when he shot Glover as the Marine crossed a Fallujah street and then shot McKenna as he pulled Glover to safety.Source

I hope something gets done about this. what can we do? write letters organize protests ?
that's unlikely as we are all over here living/working trying to pay our Gov. for our freedom while our youngest adults go to fight and die for what>? to use our money to go make more war?

Are you of the belief that american snipers should be imprisoned? Or is it only the ones that kill americans?

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Prisoners of war should stay imprisoned untill the war (Fighting) is done. Or killed imidiately, they lost get over it.

Originally posted by Xemplar
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Prisoners of war should stay imprisoned untill the war (Fighting) is done. Or killed imidiately, they lost get over it.

edit on 23-8-2011 by Xemplar because: (no reason given)

Garbage. If american snipers were being detained, there would be a massive movement to get them released. If we are going to jail snipers, we need to jail ALL snipers.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Xemplar
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Prisoners of war should stay imprisoned untill the war (Fighting) is done. Or killed imidiately, they lost get over it.

edit on 23-8-2011 by Xemplar because: (no reason given)

Garbage. If american snipers were being detained, there would be a massive movement to get them released. If we are going to jail snipers, we need to jail ALL snipers.

I truly do not understand your logic, American snipers that are detained are slain on camera. Like I said before this is the most polite occupation in the history of man kind. Americans have defeated the iraqi republican guard, they lost. Do you understand that, now the fighting is mostly done with foreignors from outside of iraq which is irrelevant because the only reason a millitary detains someone is to not kill them.
Listen american snipers dont get detained they win, now you're saying some sort of catch 22 which is detain them let the iraqi gub handle their own, fail at doing so and keep fighting with these guys over and over, oh and also tie our troops hands behind their back so they cant do what's neccisary to protect their own.
Hypocrite at the fullest form because you think your insane logic allows you to call others that.

In short: When we win we choose the fate of the loser, this man's fate was to live it was a bad call because now he is released while americans are still targetable.
When they win they can imprison our snipers, and give america the option to release it's own, but they will probbably just cut their heads off on camera.

reply to post by dubiousone


No I`m not. I`m talking of when the sniper was sniping or shortly after. Pretty simple kill him then I don`t care if he surrenders right after.

And if it actually comes down to how this did yes kill him not cut him free.